Republican Presidential Candidate Herman Cain Wins TeaCon 2011 Straw Poll

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    Oct 02, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
    I think the story here is by what a large margin he won against Bachmann - even though many in the media has been portraying the tea partiers as racist.

    http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/herman-cain-teacon-michele-bachmann-newt-gingrich-presidential-candidate-20111001

    Schaumburg, Ill. - Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain won the TeaCon 2011 Straw Poll with 77% of the vote. Organizers say Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich came in second and third place.

    Greeted like a rock star, newly crowned Republican presidential candidate frontrunner Herman Cain was the main attraction at the Midwest Tea Party Convention, TeaCon 2011 in Schaumburg, Illinois.

    According to Cain, “This patriot movement is what's going to save this nation. No, not hope darling, we will save this nation… I kind of like clinging to my guns and Bibles and I'm not going to let them go.”

    A week ago Cain won the Florida Conservative Political Action Conference Straw Poll surging into the top tier among nearly a dozen GOP presidential candidates including Mitt Romney and Rick Perry.

    He's also gained momentum pushing his tax reform proposal.

    “It's called the 999 plan, it imposes a 9% business flat tax, a 9% personal flat tax and a 9% national sales tax,” said Cain.
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    Oct 02, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
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    Oct 02, 2011 4:11 PM GMT
    Sounds like a viable candidate though unfortunately he's a conservative on social issues but he did note after the fact he should have stood up for gay soldier's question and does not have the support of NOM.

    From Daniel Henninger:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204226204576599031274832242.html

    In the late 1970s, Mr. Cain was recruited from Coca-Cola in Atlanta, his first job in business, to work for Pillsbury in Minneapolis. His rise was rapid and well-regarded. He joined the company's restaurant and foods group in 1978 as director of business analysis. In the early 1980s, Pillsbury sent him to learn the hamburger business at a Burger King in Hopkins, Minn. Then they assigned him, at age 36, to revive Pillsbury's stumbling, franchise Burger King business in the Philadelphia region. He succeeded. According to a 1987 account in the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Pillsbury's then-president Win Wallin said: "He was an excellent bet. Herman always seemed to have his act together."

    In 1986, Pillsbury sent the 41-year-old Mr. Cain to turn around their Godfather's Pizza business, headquartered in Omaha. The Herman Cain who arrived there April 1 sounded like the same man who roused voters last Sunday in Florida: "I'm Herman Cain and this ain't no April Fool's joke. We are not dead. Our objective is to prove to Pillsbury and everyone else that we will survive."

    Pillsbury sold Godfather's to Mr. Cain and some of his managers in 1988. He ran it until 1996 and served as CEO of the National Restaurant Association from 1996-1999. This June, Mr. Cain visited with the Journal's editors and put the issue of health-insurance availability inside the context of the restaurant industry. He said the restaurant association tried hard to devise a health-insurance program able to serve the needs of an industry whose work force is complex—executives and managers, full-time workers, part-timers, students and so forth. Any conceivable insurance system would require great flexibility in plan-choice and design.

    It's from this period that one finds the famous 1994 video, now on YouTube, of Herman Cain on a TV screen from Omaha debating Bill Clinton about his national health legislation during a town-hall meeting. After the president estimates the profitability of Mr. Cain's company, suggesting he can afford the legislation, Mr. Cain essentially dismantles the Clinton math, in detail. "The cost of your plan . . . will cause us to eliminate jobs."

    None of this can be put across in the televised debates' explain-everything-in-30 seconds format. Nor is there any chance to elaborate his Sept. 7 debate remark that he admires Chile's private-public social security system. Or his flat-tax "9-9-9" proposal. (Or any of the candidates' policy ideas for that matter.) So voters get nothing, and Mr. Cain flounders.
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    Oct 02, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI love how the Tea Partiers---and Republicans in general---throw out the occasional Uncle Tom and then pretend it proves they're not racist.

    Not racist? Take a look at any gathering of Tea Partiers. Or Republicans for that matter. Count the non-white faces.

    Simple, really.


    Look at the average anti-war protest. By that definition of non-white faces, they were pretty much all racist. Look at the line up of MSNBC, by that definition they're racist. The fact that these tea partiers however voted by a significant majority for a black man should at least suggest that it may not have been as racist as thought?
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    Oct 02, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI love how the Tea Partiers---and Republicans in general---throw out the occasional Uncle Tom and then pretend it proves they're not racist.

    Not racist? Take a look at any gathering of Tea Partiers. Or Republicans for that matter. Count the non-white faces.

    Simple, really.


    Yep, it's like all of the protests in Madison against Walker. Lilly white. MUST be racist. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 02, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI love how the Tea Partiers---and Republicans in general---throw out the occasional Uncle Tom and then pretend it proves they're not racist.


    This is a bigoted mischaracterization of who Herman Cain is. Obama has done more than his fair share of sucking up to the white-rich oligarchy and very little for working class black people, but the larger point both is that both men are representative of the black experience in America today, which is broad, diverse and not monolithic. I'd welcome a contest between the two as it would be instructive and kill two birds with one stone -- destroying the remaining clout of the GOP's Strom Thurmond wing and exposing condescending latent racism of limousine liberals who wish keep all black people fat, docile, and quiet on the Democratic plantation.

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    Oct 02, 2011 5:14 PM GMT
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    jprichva saidI love how the Tea Partiers---and Republicans in general---throw out the occasional Uncle Tom and then pretend it proves they're not racist.


    This is a bigoted mischaracterization of who Herman Cain is. Obama has done more than his fair share of sucking up to the white-rich oligarchy and very little for working class black people, but the larger point both is that both men are representative of the black experience in America today, which is broad, diverse and not monolithic. I'd welcome a contest between the two as it would be instructive and kill two birds with one stone -- destroying the remaining clout of GOP's Strom Thurmond wing and exposing condescending latent racism of limousine liberals who wish keep all black people fat, docile, and quiet on the Democratic plantation.



    Funny that you would mention Strom Thurmond

    "He also ran for the Presidency of the United States in 1948 as the segregationist States Rights Democratic Party"
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    jprichva saidI love how the Tea Partiers---and Republicans in general---throw out the occasional Uncle Tom and then pretend it proves they're not racist.

    Not racist? Take a look at any gathering of Tea Partiers. Or Republicans for that matter. Count the non-white faces.

    Simple, really.


    Just wondering, how many of these events, and where, have you personally attended?
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    Oct 02, 2011 5:55 PM GMT
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    Funny that you would mention Strom Thurmond

    "He also ran for the Presidency of the United States in 1948 as the segregationist States Rights Democratic Party"


    Not so funny, but rather sad actually that the Republicans closed its doors to minorities and opened its doors to racists and segregationists once the Democratic party embraced freedom, equality, and civil rights in the 60s due to the leadership of LBJ. Too bad the GOP chose to oppose equality for so long rather than stand with the Democrats on civil rights: they would have many more Herman Cains.

    "Thurmond later represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 until 2003, at first as a Democrat and after 1964 as a Republican. He switched out of support for the conservatism of Republican presidential candidate and Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, who shared his opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act."
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    Oct 02, 2011 6:14 PM GMT
    Good points, Troy.
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    freedomisntfree said

    Funny that you would mention Strom Thurmond

    "He also ran for the Presidency of the United States in 1948 as the segregationist States Rights Democratic Party"


    Not so funny, but rather sad actually that the Republicans closed its doors to minorities and opened its doors to racists and segregationists once the Democratic party embraced freedom, equality, and civil rights in the 60s due to the leadership of LBJ. Too bad the GOP chose to oppose equality for so long rather than stand with the Democrats on civil rights: they would have many more Herman Cains.

    "Thurmond later represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 until 2003, at first as a Democrat and after 1964 as a Republican. He switched out of support for the conservatism of Republican presidential candidate and Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, who shared his opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act."


    "On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed a filibustering address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation"
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    Oct 02, 2011 6:24 PM GMT
    By partyThe original House version:[12]

    Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
    Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)Cloture in the Senate:[13]

    Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
    Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)The Senate version:[12]

    Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
    Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)The Senate version, voted on by the House:[12]

    Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
    Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)[edit] By party and regionNote: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

    The original House version:

    Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
    Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
    Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
    Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
    The Senate version:

    Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
    Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
    Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
    Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)
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    Oct 02, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
    You can quote Wikipedia. Congratulations, would you like a cookie?

    Anyway, it's good that the Republican party seems to finally be turning away from the divisive politics of bigotry. Yes, it's almost fifty years after Democrats either threw segregationists out of the party or forced them to renege on their anti-civil rights views, but better late than never.

    We do need more black men following in the footsteps of Barack Obama and Herman Cain, so I'm happy about it. Run, fellas, run!
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    Oct 02, 2011 6:33 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidYou can quote Wikipedia. Congratulations, would you like a cookie?

    Chocolate chip please


    Anyway, it's good that the Republican party seems to finally be turning away from the divisive politics of bigotry. Yes, it's almost fifty years after Democrats either threw segregationists out of the party or forced them to renege on their anti-civil rights views, but better late than never.

    We doneed more black men following in the footsteps of Barack Obama and Herman Cain, so I'm happy about it. Run, fellas, run!
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    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete saidYou can quote Wikipedia. Congratulations, would you like a cookie?

    Chocolate chip please


    Anyway, it's good that the Republican party seems to finally be turning away from the divisive politics of bigotry. Yes, it's almost fifty years after Democrats either threw segregationists out of the party or forced them to renege on their anti-civil rights views, but better late than never.

    We doneed more black men following in the footsteps of Barack Obama and Herman Cain, so I'm happy about it. Run, fellas, run!


    Here ya go dude!

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    Oct 02, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete saidYou can quote Wikipedia. Congratulations, would you like a cookie?

    Chocolate chip please


    Anyway, it's good that the Republican party seems to finally be turning away from the divisive politics of bigotry. Yes, it's almost fifty years after Democrats either threw segregationists out of the party or forced them to renege on their anti-civil rights views, but better late than never.

    We doneed more black men following in the footsteps of Barack Obama and Herman Cain, so I'm happy about it. Run, fellas, run!


    Here ya go dude!

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    REALLY !!!! For me? Thanks man.
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    Oct 02, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
    Actually, I've been to numerous Tea Party rally's at the onset of 2010 and throughout (close to the elections of 2010) and I can tell you from first hand experience that a large portion of the TeaPartiers are racist. They are anti-gay. They are against the progression of anyone who doesn't play by the "white rules", or who isn't conservative.

    Do you know what one TeaParty supporter said to me when I suggested that DADT is a civil and moral rights issue?

    He said, "the only thing morally right for this situation is to stop kicking the faggots out of the military and start kicking them out of the country."

    I couldn't tell you the number of times I heard the "N"-bomb dropped in casual discussions about Obama, welfare, and the justice system.

    That's really not even an 1/8 of the degrading conversations that took place though.



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    ConfederateGhost saidActually, I've been to numerous Tea Party rally's at the onset of 2010 and throughout (close to the elections of 2010) and I can tell you from first hand experience that a large portion of the TeaPartiers are racist. They are anti-gay. They are against the progression of anyone who doesn't play by the "white rules", or who isn't conservative.

    Do you know what one TeaParty supporter said to me when I suggested that DADT is a civil and moral rights issue?

    He said, "the only thing morally right for this situation is to stop kicking the faggots out of the military and start kicking them out of the country."

    I couldn't tell you the number of times I heard the "N"-bomb dropped in casual discussions about Obama, welfare, and the justice system.

    That's really not even an 1/8 of the degrading conversations that took place though.

    Not that way at all in California. From several who have attended various Tea Party functions here.
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    ConfederateGhost saidActually, I've been to numerous Tea Party rally's at the onset of 2010 and throughout (close to the elections of 2010) and I can tell you from first hand experience that a large portion of the TeaPartiers are racist. They are anti-gay. They are against the progression of anyone who doesn't play by the "white rules", or who isn't conservative.

    Do you know what one TeaParty supporter said to me when I suggested that DADT is a civil and moral rights issue?

    He said, "the only thing morally right for this situation is to stop kicking the faggots out of the military and start kicking them out of the country."

    I couldn't tell you the number of times I heard the "N"-bomb dropped in casual discussions about Obama, welfare, and the justice system.

    That's really not even an 1/8 of the degrading conversations that took place though.





    I wonder if we'll even have any more TeaParty rallies. But you should certainly film some of these gatherings if you ever have the opportunity.

    I personally think the TeaParty simply represents a wide variety of frustrations. The Koch Brothers and a few other special interests were successful in manipulating all of that frustration.

    The attacks on other races and gays was simply convenient for the commercial interests that wanted to create chaos any way they could.
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    Oct 03, 2011 2:49 AM GMT
    I'm happy that some of y'all in California are trying to maintain a decent behavior but I'm not just talking Alabama here. I went to a few in Alabama, a couple in Northern Fla, and one in Southwest GA.

    And yes I know - I basically just laid out the boundaries of hell on Earth but our politics here are generally reflected through (R) platforms and "conservative" policies.


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    ConfederateGhost saidActually, I've been to numerous Tea Party rally's at the onset of 2010 and throughout (close to the elections of 2010) and I can tell you from first hand experience that a large portion of the TeaPartiers are racist. They are anti-gay. They are against the progression of anyone who doesn't play by the "white rules", or who isn't conservative.

    Do you know what one TeaParty supporter said to me when I suggested that DADT is a civil and moral rights issue?

    He said, "the only thing morally right for this situation is to stop kicking the faggots out of the military and start kicking them out of the country."

    I couldn't tell you the number of times I heard the "N"-bomb dropped in casual discussions about Obama, welfare, and the justice system.

    That's really not even an 1/8 of the degrading conversations that took place though.

    Not that way at all in California. From several who have attended various Tea Party functions here.
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    ConfederateGhost saidActually, I've been to numerous Tea Party rally's at the onset of 2010 and throughout (close to the elections of 2010) and I can tell you from first hand experience that a large portion of the TeaPartiers are racist. They are anti-gay. They are against the progression of anyone who doesn't play by the "white rules", or who isn't conservative.

    Do you know what one TeaParty supporter said to me when I suggested that DADT is a civil and moral rights issue?

    He said, "the only thing morally right for this situation is to stop kicking the faggots out of the military and start kicking them out of the country."

    I couldn't tell you the number of times I heard the "N"-bomb dropped in casual discussions about Obama, welfare, and the justice system.

    That's really not even an 1/8 of the degrading conversations that took place though.



    I've been to a number of “tbagger” events and I'm not saying that aren't any racists, but I've yet to see/meet one. I've never heard the n-word, and since I'm an old geezer and very white just like they are, they likely would feel very free to do so. And I can’t recall that I’ve heard the F word. On the abortion issue, they are all over the place just like the population at large. These are economic issues that these folks are interested in and not social.

    I hang with these guys. These are guys, at least the younger of them, cough cough, who I went to school with. They know me from way back when, although I've been gone 30 years until last year. I rant about the left leaning loonies in LA so if they felt that way, there's no way they would hold fire.

    Even the hard core rednecks in SoCal who I hung with were hugely republican in spite of being about 3 or 4% of the total population, I can’t recall hearing it.

    The “tbaggers” around here are heavily republican, but not all, The ones who are ‘Rs’ are real involved in the primary process so if they were as racist as is claimed by a few folks here, there’s no way they would have voted for Herman Cain in Florida by the margin they did.

    When I do car related events in Detroit I’m in a crowd with many UAW democrats and I have a much better chance of hearing it there, certainly the F word. Go figure!
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    ConfederateGhost saidActually, I've been to numerous Tea Party rally's at the onset of 2010 and throughout (close to the elections of 2010) and I can tell you from first hand experience that a large portion of the TeaPartiers are racist. They are anti-gay. They are against the progression of anyone who doesn't play by the "white rules", or who isn't conservative.

    Do you know what one TeaParty supporter said to me when I suggested that DADT is a civil and moral rights issue?

    He said, "the only thing morally right for this situation is to stop kicking the faggots out of the military and start kicking them out of the country."

    I couldn't tell you the number of times I heard the "N"-bomb dropped in casual discussions about Obama, welfare, and the justice system.

    That's really not even an 1/8 of the degrading conversations that took place though.

    Not that way at all in California. From several who have attended various Tea Party functions here.


    Amazing isn't it SoCal.

    I hung at Ruby's on Friday night, in Redondo, you likely know that one, Donut Derelict’s, Bob's Toluca Lake, Teddy’s, etc for years. With what I drive, I have impeccable red neck credentials, so again, they would feel comfortable saying exactly what they felt around me.

    There are no more hard core red necks than here, and similar events, and they're just the nicest folks you'd ever want to meet. Notice SoCal, that I picked Moorpark instead of Belmont or Seal Beach. Didn't want to be accused of Coastal Cali bias.

    If you want to experience some true hate, go to West Hollywood.

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    Oct 03, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidAmazing isn't it SoCal.

    I hung at Ruby's on Friday night, in Redondo, you likely know that one, Donut Derelict’s, Bob's Toluca Lake, Teddy’s, etc for years. With what I drive, I have impeccable red neck credentials, so again, they would feel comfortable saying exactly what they felt around me.

    There are no more hard core red necks than here, and similar events, and they're just the nicest folks you'd ever want to meet. Notice SoCal, that I picked Moorpark instead of Belmont or Seal Beach. Didn't want to be accused of Coastal Cali bias.

    Like photos. Been to Ruby's on Friday night with my car. In fact, had breakfast there yesterday. One place I like going to when I'm driving a car that I can park without other other cars parking near me. There as well as other "redneck" places I go, especially with the buy-American crowd, I have never heard any racist comments at all.
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    freedomisntfree saidAmazing isn't it SoCal.

    I hung at Ruby's on Friday night, in Redondo, you likely know that one, Donut Derelict’s, Bob's Toluca Lake, Teddy’s, etc for years. With what I drive, I have impeccable red neck credentials, so again, they would feel comfortable saying exactly what they felt around me.

    There are no more hard core red necks than here, and similar events, and they're just the nicest folks you'd ever want to meet. Notice SoCal, that I picked Moorpark instead of Belmont or Seal Beach. Didn't want to be accused of Coastal Cali bias.

    Like photos. Been to Ruby's on Friday night with my car. In fact, had breakfast there yesterday. One place I like going to when I'm driving a car that I can park without other other cars parking near me. There as well as other "redneck" places I go, especially with the buy-American crowd, I have never heard any racist comments at all.


    And again amazing isn't? Where's the hate? We hear it all the time from these folks who don't actually go to these events so it's got to be there someplace, right? I have been to hundreds of them and I can't find it. You?

    Btw, Moorpark is this coming Sunday

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    freedomisntfree saidAmazing isn't it SoCal.

    I hung at Ruby's on Friday night, in Redondo, you likely know that one, Donut Derelict’s, Bob's Toluca Lake, Teddy’s, etc for years. With what I drive, I have impeccable red neck credentials, so again, they would feel comfortable saying exactly what they felt around me.

    There are no more hard core red necks than here, and similar events, and they're just the nicest folks you'd ever want to meet. Notice SoCal, that I picked Moorpark instead of Belmont or Seal Beach. Didn't want to be accused of Coastal Cali bias.

    Like photos. Been to Ruby's on Friday night with my car. In fact, had breakfast there yesterday. One place I like going to when I'm driving a car that I can park without other other cars parking near me. There as well as other "redneck" places I go, especially with the buy-American crowd, I have never heard any racist comments at all.


    And again amazing isn't? Where's the hate? We hear it all the time from these folks who don't actually go to these events so it's got to be there someplace, right? I have been to hundreds of them and I can't find it. You?

    Btw, Moorpark is this coming Sunday

    http://www.roamnrelics.com/2011vendorform.pdf

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    The only place I hear of discussion about racism is on Real Jock. BTW - One guy I talk to is an African-American attorney. He still kept the McCain sticker on the back of one of his cars, a Bronco. He couldn't be more different from some of the guys who spout here.