All Bi, why ????

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    May 19, 2008 6:52 PM GMT


    I just realised that all my gay friends are Bisexual .. well not all , one if them is just gay ..

    I was wondering .. if gay people , or people who define themselves as gay- are 10% of the guys .. then Bisexual guys, as I may assume, are more than 10%.. maybe that's why the probability of meeting a guy who likes guys but also women at the same time is bigger than finding a completely homosexual guy ..
    And I'm pretty convinced .. icon_neutral.gif

    what do you think?
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    May 19, 2008 7:27 PM GMT
    I think your % of friends who are bisexual is higher than what most gay men experience. I have personally never had a friend who was bi. I think that around 5-7 percent of the population is gay with another 3-4 percent being bi, but most people are in hiding due to social pressures.

    Perhaps young people today are not trying to put themselves into a "gay" or "straight" box right away and are therefore identifying themselves initially as bisexual.
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    May 19, 2008 7:29 PM GMT
    I believe in bisexuals as much as I believe in unicorns and Father Christmas.
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    May 19, 2008 7:34 PM GMT
    redheadguy saidI believe in bisexuals as much as I believe in unicorns and Father Christmas.


    You believe in unicorns as well, cool!icon_cool.gif
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    May 19, 2008 7:41 PM GMT
    I heard some people say that they don't belive in such thing as Bi..
    Well , I do .. unless you have something to convince me with..

    2- my Bi friends are not young .. they are 17-40 .. so I dunno what to say .. but our society especially does cause pressures when it comes to just gay or bi..
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    May 19, 2008 9:03 PM GMT
    I am with redheadguy on this one. I don't buy the bi story... If someone tells me their Bi I say, "yeah your bi, bye bye... and come back when you grow balls"

    Question... Is the definition 1) I like both the same? or 2) I CAN have sex with both a man and a woman?

    For me true bisexuality implies that one can fall in love with either, or both would please one the same. I know a lot of guys that go with both but if they have an option none of them would pick a hot chick over a hot guy, EVER. True bisexuality is very rare. Can happen, but very rare.
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    May 19, 2008 9:11 PM GMT
    I think you're right, Ghost. I've experience bisexuality to a certain degree. I used to LOVE this one girl in Intermediate school but not a another girl since. I could say I'm bi but I pretty much just consider myself same gender attractedicon_neutral.gif

    Other guys probably have the a higher tendancy for liking females so they can play the straight card and appease society. I think Alfred Kinsey was right when he surmised that that their are many degrees of sexuality and that bisexuality is the norm(50%+) Meaning not HALF and HALF(guys vs females) but varying degrees on a scale of 0 to 6.

    Don't wanna explain the whole thing just look it up for yourself! lolicon_mad.gif

    That and almost everyone on the fooball team has WAY too much fun being homoerotic with each other icon_twisted.gif
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    May 19, 2008 9:38 PM GMT
    redheadguy saidI believe in bisexuals as much as I believe in unicorns and Father Christmas.


    MMM, gotta love a world thats cut and dry.

    You either are or you are not, there is no inbetween!
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    May 19, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    I fully believe that there are true bisexuals in existence. People who are genuinely attracted to both genders and/or multiple sexualities. Attraction is heavily ruled by psychology, chemistry, biology, etc. It's not something you switch on and off.

    However, most - esp men - who claim to be bisexual are not. They are only looking for an easier transition from the majority hetero into the minority homo. Bisexual makes you a little kinky, whatever, in the larger society's view. Whereas if you're homosexual, you're just another damned faggot.
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    May 19, 2008 9:45 PM GMT
    Never met a bisexual person. Ever. In my entire life.
  • auryn

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    May 19, 2008 9:56 PM GMT
    I dated a bisexual, once. He accepted his homosexuality soon after, though. Fun times, fun times.

    I still like boobies, but often get grossed out when I see the gash. It looks like a bull dog that got in the mayonnaise.
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    May 19, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
    I don't think it's beyond reason to think that there are bisexuals, hell there are men who have sex with men and women who have sex with women, women who have sex with men and vice versa and men and women who have sex with inflatable toys.

    HOWEVER, I think that the whole, "I'm not gay, I just love the person," is a bisexual cover story for those trying to climb out of the closet. It's all part of the denial game.
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    May 19, 2008 11:36 PM GMT
    With people, anything can happen.

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    May 19, 2008 11:44 PM GMT
    jarhead5536 saidNever met a bisexual person. Ever. In my entire life.


    Your point being? I mean, there's a whole heck of a lot of things any individual will never experience in their "entire life." So this means what then? I submit that your experiences in life are extremely important, but only to you and rarely to anyone else. In other words: the world has almost nothing to do with you and your experiences.

    We can all provide opinions on the existence or not of anything based on our limited experiences. But there are opinions and there are facts.

    How do you determine, factually, that something exists? You develop a test for it, and execute the test. You have a bunch of people around the world repeat the test. Eventually a consensus emerges.

    I think anyone who isn't too sure of their own view of the world to go type a few characters into Google or WikiPedia will see that, in fact, many experiments have been devised by reputable researchers and, in fact, have determined that bisexuality exists.

    On the other hand. Santa Claus and unicorns, however, seem to have no such experimental or factual support.

    I don't know, but I've been seeing a lot of this kind of thing in these forums lately. There are people all over here who seem so sure of "the facts" based on their own worlds, that they don't even bother to spend a few minutes on the Interwebs to check how their world view jives with the world of verified facts.

    It's starting to get to me, as would be obvious from this pedantic post.
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    May 19, 2008 11:45 PM GMT
    As much as I'm open to people doing what they need to do to be happy, I think the girls on Sex and the City said it best:

    "Being bisexual is just a stop for gas on the way to Gaytown."
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    May 19, 2008 11:49 PM GMT
    irishboxers saidAs much as I'm open to people doing what they need to do to be happy, I think the girls on Sex and the City said it best:

    "Being bisexual is just a stop for gas on the way to Gaytown."

    Rolling on the flooricon_lol.gif laughing my ass off on that one
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    May 19, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
    As I always say "Bi now, Gay later." LOL.
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    May 20, 2008 7:27 PM GMT
    When I say Bi I mean a guy who is atrracted to men but also to women in a noticable way - it means , when he is with a guy he'll always look at a hot woman passing by .. or the opposite ..
    a guy who is attracted to humans in general .. when he's with one of the genders there will be still a missing part ..

    A completely gay perosn .. which I'd like to meet or have a relationship with , is someone who prefer only guys .. in some level a guy who is rarely aroused by seeing some boobs or hot feamal's body but not to a degree that will made him think about having a sexual contact with a feamale .. understanded?
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    May 20, 2008 7:40 PM GMT
    Wysiwyg60 saidI think your % of friends who are bisexual is higher than what most gay men experience. I have personally never had a friend who was bi. I think that around 5-7 percent of the population is gay with another 3-4 percent being bi, but most people are in hiding due to social pressures.
    Perhaps young people today are not trying to put themselves into a "gay" or "straight" box right away and are therefore identifying themselves initially as bisexual.

    I agree with you here. I've been there and I think a lot of guys in personal denial place themselves into this category because they've not yet accepted their sexual identity.

    Having said that, I find this statement very harsh!
    palikari saidI am with redheadguy on this one. I don't buy the bi story... If someone tells me their Bi I say, "yeah your bi, bye bye... and come back when you grow balls"

    There are many reasons for a person denying, even to themselves, who they truly are. Coming out is NOT an easy process and I'm sure everyone will agree with that regardless of what age they came out. I think guys who are older, married, have a strong family religious background, established circle of straight friends and close family ties struggle tremendously with how to maneuver coming out and as a result of societal pressures and negative stigma, end up using the "bi avenue" as a way of slowing admitting to themselves who they are.

    Just my two cents.
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    May 20, 2008 7:58 PM GMT
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    There are many reasons for a person denying, even to themselves, who they truly are. Coming out is NOT an easy process and I'm sure everyone will agree with that regardless of what age they came out. I think guys who are older, married, have a strong family religious background, established circle of straight friends and close family ties struggle tremendously with how to maneuver coming out and as a result of societal pressures and negative stigma, end up using the "bi avenue" as a way of slowing admitting to themselves who they are.


    Just because someone HAS to sleep with both doesnt make them bisexual. I always ask, if this person had no social pressures, and nothing he was trying to prove to himself or others, who would he be having sex with? If the answer is both, then I would classify them as bisexual. It should be someone I WANT to do not HAVE to do.

    I never touched a guy till I was 23, I had girlfriends and was in a hetero relationship for 4 years when I ended it and started testing the waters. I dont for a second think I was bisexual. I was a closeted gay guy. Give me enough alcohol and drugs and I can have sex with a girl again, does that make me bisexual?

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    May 20, 2008 8:10 PM GMT
    Give me drugs and alcohol and I'll kill myself before I sleep with a girl ...
    so ? what is Bi ? if it doesn't exsists then what do u call this partial attraction to girls ?
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    May 20, 2008 8:18 PM GMT
    If it was a real attraction I wouldnt need the alcohol and drugs.

    Just like you, there are many others out there that cannot imagine going with a girl. The idea is not appealing for me at all, but its not something that horrifies me. That doesn't make me bisexual.

    I think there should be a distinction between a bisexual and a closeted gay guy who is able to get hard with a girl and fuck her.
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    May 20, 2008 8:21 PM GMT
    GHoSTa saidGive me drugs and alcohol and I'll kill myself before I sleep with a girl ...
    so ? what is Bi ? if it doesn't exsists then what do u call this partial attraction to girls ?


    Well if you follow the Kinsey scale, then bi-sexuality does exist. I personally have always been 100% gay. I never fell emotionally in love with a woman, and to me that is the important factor, the emotions. Who you have sex with is less important, but sex + emotions determine whether you are hetero, homo, or bi.

    I personally never really thought it was that important as long as the person was not doing it with kids or animals, and was honest with their partner.
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    May 20, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    While I think that Bi is possible, I think it's truly rare. Most every man I've ever met who said he was Bi was someone who associated 'Gay' with negative connotations. They were offended if someone called them gay. Yet everything they talked about sexually was about men. All of the hetero issues were sociological and not sexual. Basically, the "I want to marry and have kids with a woman for the traditional family, but I want sex with men." This is a gay man who wants to 'fit in' to what they consider to be the sociological norm.
    I'm not saying they don't exist, but they are like lottery winners: few and far between.

    As long as there is social stigma about being gay, there will be many men who feel comfortable only calling themselves Bi, however erroneous that is.
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    May 20, 2008 8:29 PM GMT
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    Just because someone HAS to sleep with both doesnt make them bisexual. I always ask, if this person had no social pressures, and nothing he was trying to prove to himself or others, who would he be having sex with? If the answer is both, then I would classify them as bisexual. It should be someone I WANT to do not HAVE to do.


    Palikari, I don't disagree with you here. That was not my point. I agree that a "true bisexual" IMO is a rarity. I think we both agree that it's a cover for what they don't want to admit or chose. My point was that your wording "..and come back when you grow balls." was harsh. I've been there and I know how hard it is. I know people who have attempted suicide over this, we agree on what bi is or isn't but our response to those who chose to call themselves bi, for whatever reason, differs greatly in compassion. And that's not meant to be offensive towards you, we just disagree there...it's cool.