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GHoSTa Posts: 575	May 19, 2008 6:52 PM GMT Quote I just realised that all my gay friends are Bisexual .. well not all , one if them is just gay .. I was wondering .. if gay people , or people who define themselves as gay- are 10% of the guys .. then Bisexual guys, as I may assume, are more than 10%.. maybe that's why the probability of meeting a guy who likes guys but also women at the same time is bigger than finding a completely homosexual guy .. And I'm pretty convinced .. what do you think?

SurrealLife Posts: 4403	May 19, 2008 7:27 PM GMT Quote I think your % of friends who are bisexual is higher than what most gay men experience. I have personally never had a friend who was bi. I think that around 5-7 percent of the population is gay with another 3-4 percent being bi, but most people are in hiding due to social pressures. Perhaps young people today are not trying to put themselves into a "gay" or "straight" box right away and are therefore identifying themselves initially as bisexual.
redheadguy Posts: 2232	May 19, 2008 7:29 PM GMT Quote I believe in bisexuals as much as I believe in unicorns and Father Christmas.
SurrealLife Posts: 4403	May 19, 2008 7:34 PM GMT Quote redheadguy saidI believe in bisexuals as much as I believe in unicorns and Father Christmas. You believe in unicorns as well, cool!
GHoSTa Posts: 575	May 19, 2008 7:41 PM GMT Quote I heard some people say that they don't belive in such thing as Bi.. Well , I do .. unless you have something to convince me with.. 2- my Bi friends are not young .. they are 17-40 .. so I dunno what to say .. but our society especially does cause pressures when it comes to just gay or bi..
palikari Posts: 140	May 19, 2008 9:03 PM GMT Quote I am with redheadguy on this one. I don't buy the bi story... If someone tells me their Bi I say, "yeah your bi, bye bye... and come back when you grow balls" Question... Is the definition 1) I like both the same? or 2) I CAN have sex with both a man and a woman? For me true bisexuality implies that one can fall in love with either, or both would please one the same. I know a lot of guys that go with both but if they have an option none of them would pick a hot chick over a hot guy, EVER. True bisexuality is very rare. Can happen, but very rare.
RyanReBoRn Posts: 569	May 19, 2008 9:11 PM GMT Quote I think you're right, Ghost. I've experience bisexuality to a certain degree. I used to LOVE this one girl in Intermediate school but not a another girl since. I could say I'm bi but I pretty much just consider myself same gender attracted Other guys probably have the a higher tendancy for liking females so they can play the straight card and appease society. I think Alfred Kinsey was right when he surmised that that their are many degrees of sexuality and that bisexuality is the norm(50%+) Meaning not HALF and HALF(guys vs females) but varying degrees on a scale of 0 to 6. Don't wanna explain the whole thing just look it up for yourself! lol That and almost everyone on the fooball team has WAY too much fun being homoerotic with each other
lilTanker Posts: 1162	May 19, 2008 9:38 PM GMT Quote redheadguy saidI believe in bisexuals as much as I believe in unicorns and Father Christmas. MMM, gotta love a world thats cut and dry. You either are or you are not, there is no inbetween!
RunintheCity Posts: 1457	May 19, 2008 9:43 PM GMT Quote I fully believe that there are true bisexuals in existence. People who are genuinely attracted to both genders and/or multiple sexualities. Attraction is heavily ruled by psychology, chemistry, biology, etc. It's not something you switch on and off. However, most - esp men - who claim to be bisexual are not. They are only looking for an easier transition from the majority hetero into the minority homo. Bisexual makes you a little kinky, whatever, in the larger society's view. Whereas if you're homosexual, you're just another damned faggot.
jarhead5536 Posts: 729	May 19, 2008 9:45 PM GMT Quote Never met a bisexual person. Ever. In my entire life.
auryn Posts: 1587	May 19, 2008 9:56 PM GMT Quote I dated a bisexual, once. He accepted his homosexuality soon after, though. Fun times, fun times. I still like boobies, but often get grossed out when I see the gash. It looks like a bull dog that got in the mayonnaise.
makeumyne Posts: 190	May 19, 2008 10:02 PM GMT Quote I don't think it's beyond reason to think that there are bisexuals, hell there are men who have sex with men and women who have sex with women, women who have sex with men and vice versa and men and women who have sex with inflatable toys. HOWEVER, I think that the whole, "I'm not gay, I just love the person," is a bisexual cover story for those trying to climb out of the closet. It's all part of the denial game.
Hidden/Deleted Member	May 19, 2008 11:36 PM GMT Quote With people, anything can happen.
iguanaSF Posts: 798	May 19, 2008 11:44 PM GMT Quote jarhead5536 saidNever met a bisexual person. Ever. In my entire life. Your point being? I mean, there's a whole heck of a lot of things any individual will never experience in their "entire life." So this means what then? I submit that your experiences in life are extremely important, but only to you and rarely to anyone else. In other words: the world has almost nothing to do with you and your experiences. We can all provide opinions on the existence or not of anything based on our limited experiences. But there are opinions and there are facts. How do you determine, factually, that something exists? You develop a test for it, and execute the test. You have a bunch of people around the world repeat the test. Eventually a consensus emerges. I think anyone who isn't too sure of their own view of the world to go type a few characters into Google or WikiPedia will see that, in fact, many experiments have been devised by reputable researchers and, in fact, have determined that bisexuality exists. On the other hand. Santa Claus and unicorns, however, seem to have no such experimental or factual support. I don't know, but I've been seeing a lot of this kind of thing in these forums lately. There are people all over here who seem so sure of "the facts" based on their own worlds, that they don't even bother to spend a few minutes on the Interwebs to check how their world view jives with the world of verified facts. It's starting to get to me, as would be obvious from this pedantic post.
irishboxers Posts: 329	May 19, 2008 11:45 PM GMT Quote As much as I'm open to people doing what they need to do to be happy, I think the girls on Sex and the City said it best: "Being bisexual is just a stop for gas on the way to Gaytown."
Luckydog76 Posts: 882	May 19, 2008 11:49 PM GMT Quote irishboxers saidAs much as I'm open to people doing what they need to do to be happy, I think the girls on Sex and the City said it best: "Being bisexual is just a stop for gas on the way to Gaytown." Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off on that one
Hidden/Deleted Member	May 19, 2008 11:54 PM GMT Quote As I always say "Bi now, Gay later." LOL.
GHoSTa Posts: 575	May 20, 2008 7:27 PM GMT Quote When I say Bi I mean a guy who is atrracted to men but also to women in a noticable way - it means , when he is with a guy he'll always look at a hot woman passing by .. or the opposite .. a guy who is attracted to humans in general .. when he's with one of the genders there will be still a missing part .. A completely gay perosn .. which I'd like to meet or have a relationship with , is someone who prefer only guys .. in some level a guy who is rarely aroused by seeing some boobs or hot feamal's body but not to a degree that will made him think about having a sexual contact with a feamale .. understanded?
eb925guy Posts: 924	May 20, 2008 7:40 PM GMT Quote Wysiwyg60 saidI think your % of friends who are bisexual is higher than what most gay men experience. I have personally never had a friend who was bi. I think that around 5-7 percent of the population is gay with another 3-4 percent being bi, but most people are in hiding due to social pressures. Perhaps young people today are not trying to put themselves into a "gay" or "straight" box right away and are therefore identifying themselves initially as bisexual. I agree with you here. I've been there and I think a lot of guys in personal denial place themselves into this category because they've not yet accepted their sexual identity. Having said that, I find this statement very harsh! palikari saidI am with redheadguy on this one. I don't buy the bi story... If someone tells me their Bi I say, "yeah your bi, bye bye... and come back when you grow balls" There are many reasons for a person denying, even to themselves, who they truly are. Coming out is NOT an easy process and I'm sure everyone will agree with that regardless of what age they came out. I think guys who are older, married, have a strong family religious background, established circle of straight friends and close family ties struggle tremendously with how to maneuver coming out and as a result of societal pressures and negative stigma, end up using the "bi avenue" as a way of slowing admitting to themselves who they are. Just my two cents.
palikari Posts: 140	May 20, 2008 7:58 PM GMT Quote eb925 There are many reasons for a person denying, even to themselves, who they truly are. Coming out is NOT an easy process and I'm sure everyone will agree with that regardless of what age they came out. I think guys who are older, married, have a strong family religious background, established circle of straight friends and close family ties struggle tremendously with how to maneuver coming out and as a result of societal pressures and negative stigma, end up using the "bi avenue" as a way of slowing admitting to themselves who they are. Just because someone HAS to sleep with both doesnt make them bisexual. I always ask, if this person had no social pressures, and nothing he was trying to prove to himself or others, who would he be having sex with? If the answer is both, then I would classify them as bisexual. It should be someone I WANT to do not HAVE to do. I never touched a guy till I was 23, I had girlfriends and was in a hetero relationship for 4 years when I ended it and started testing the waters. I dont for a second think I was bisexual. I was a closeted gay guy. Give me enough alcohol and drugs and I can have sex with a girl again, does that make me bisexual?
GHoSTa Posts: 575	May 20, 2008 8:10 PM GMT Quote Give me drugs and alcohol and I'll kill myself before I sleep with a girl ... so ? what is Bi ? if it doesn't exsists then what do u call this partial attraction to girls ?
palikari Posts: 140	May 20, 2008 8:18 PM GMT Quote If it was a real attraction I wouldnt need the alcohol and drugs. Just like you, there are many others out there that cannot imagine going with a girl. The idea is not appealing for me at all, but its not something that horrifies me. That doesn't make me bisexual. I think there should be a distinction between a bisexual and a closeted gay guy who is able to get hard with a girl and fuck her.
SurrealLife Posts: 4403	May 20, 2008 8:21 PM GMT Quote GHoSTa saidGive me drugs and alcohol and I'll kill myself before I sleep with a girl ... so ? what is Bi ? if it doesn't exsists then what do u call this partial attraction to girls ? Well if you follow the Kinsey scale, then bi-sexuality does exist. I personally have always been 100% gay. I never fell emotionally in love with a woman, and to me that is the important factor, the emotions. Who you have sex with is less important, but sex + emotions determine whether you are hetero, homo, or bi. I personally never really thought it was that important as long as the person was not doing it with kids or animals, and was honest with their partner.
bgcat57 Posts: 999	May 20, 2008 8:24 PM GMT Quote While I think that Bi is possible, I think it's truly rare. Most every man I've ever met who said he was Bi was someone who associated 'Gay' with negative connotations. They were offended if someone called them gay. Yet everything they talked about sexually was about men. All of the hetero issues were sociological and not sexual. Basically, the "I want to marry and have kids with a woman for the traditional family, but I want sex with men." This is a gay man who wants to 'fit in' to what they consider to be the sociological norm. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they are like lottery winners: few and far between. As long as there is social stigma about being gay, there will be many men who feel comfortable only calling themselves Bi, however erroneous that is.
eb925guy Posts: 924	May 20, 2008 8:29 PM GMT Quote palikari said Just because someone HAS to sleep with both doesnt make them bisexual. I always ask, if this person had no social pressures, and nothing he was trying to prove to himself or others, who would he be having sex with? If the answer is both, then I would classify them as bisexual. It should be someone I WANT to do not HAVE to do. Palikari, I don't disagree with you here. That was not my point. I agree that a "true bisexual" IMO is a rarity. I think we both agree that it's a cover for what they don't want to admit or chose. My point was that your wording "..and come back when you grow balls." was harsh. I've been there and I know how hard it is. I know people who have attempted suicide over this, we agree on what bi is or isn't but our response to those who chose to call themselves bi, for whatever reason, differs greatly in compassion. And that's not meant to be offensive towards you, we just disagree there...it's cool.
jarhead5536 Posts: 729	May 20, 2008 8:32 PM GMT Quote iguanaSF said[quote][cite]jarhead5536 said[/cite]Never met a bisexual person. Ever. In my entire life. Your point being? [/quote] I'm in a mood today, as I have finally acknowledged to myself that Hillary has lost the nomination. But I digress. I am about to offend everyone on this site that labels themselves bi. I have met tons of people that called themselves that, but never once anyone that really was "bisexual." They were either young and on their way to gay or married/closeted and on their way to gay. Just because you can perform with a woman doesn't mean you actually like it. I referred to the Kinsey scale earlier, but I don't really buy it. Perhaps my personal perspective (the sight of a naked woman almost makes me physically ill) won't allow me to conceive of the possibility of bisexuality. I was the biggest whore I knew back in the 80's and 90's before I settled down with my first husband, and never came across a real bi guy. Plenty of closeted guys, a few married ones, but they all, to a man, said they were really gay and couldn't wait to stop sleeping with women.
turk Posts: 386	May 20, 2008 8:39 PM GMT Quote a real bisexual man can live like heterosexual .this is easy. because it is accepted by the society.so why would he call himself bisexual and make things difficult for himself. if there are some guy who call them bi , most of them are homosexual. real bisexuals prefer to live an heterosexual and easy life.
palikari Posts: 140	May 20, 2008 8:40 PM GMT Quote Palikari, I don't disagree with you here. That was not my point. I agree that a "true bisexual" IMO is a rarity. I think we both agree that it's a cover for what they don't want to admit or chose. My point was that your wording "..and come back when you grow balls." was harsh. I've been there and I know how hard it is. I know people who have attempted suicide over this, we agree on what bi is or isn't but our response to those who chose to call themselves bi, for whatever reason, differs greatly in compassion. And that's not meant to be offensive towards you, we just disagree there...it's cool. Ok - well said and point taken. I guess I haven't been in your shoes, or many others' for that matter, so the grow balls comment does not universally apply.
Hidden/Deleted Member	May 20, 2008 8:42 PM GMT Quote Why do people have to pigeon hole? Contrary to the opinion above there are plenty of guys out there that would shag the arse of you but would be physicaly sick at the thought of actualy having a relationship with a man. Me? Well I am just sexual, I know what I want for now and thats a man and have no interest in going after a woman, that said things change; life changes and if the right one came along she may tick the boxes. Just because something is outside of your comprehension does not mean it does not exist it just means you are narrow minded. Save your labels for Christmas thats when they are required
palikari Posts: 140	May 20, 2008 8:52 PM GMT Quote "Save your labels for Christmas thats when they are required" very nice - punchy Please let me know when the right woman comes along for you and how that works out for you man. There is a difference between cutting through the majority of BS and being narrow minded.
redheadguy Posts: 2232	May 20, 2008 8:59 PM GMT Quote Why do people constantly refer to Kinsey? His studies on sexuality were deeply flawed, for example, he had sex with many of his study subjects. This idea that there's some sliding sexuality scale is complete bollocks, in my opinion. Hey, bfg, I bet u don't wank over lesbian porn.
tonyp321 Posts: 204	May 20, 2008 9:28 PM GMT Quote GHoSTa saidI heard some people say that they don't belive in such thing as Bi.. Well , I do .. unless you have something to convince me with.. 2- my Bi friends are not young .. they are 17-40 .. so I dunno what to say .. but our society especially does cause pressures when it comes to just gay or bi.. I have only meet 1 true bisexual, the others were just whores who didnt care how they got off or who it was with. It is true our society finds it more acceptable to be bisexual rather then just gay especially when it comes to women.
Crimthann Posts: 779	May 20, 2008 9:38 PM GMT Quote Does it count as bisexuality if they're drunk?
Lapinblanc Posts: 243	May 20, 2008 10:06 PM GMT Quote I have met a few guys over the years that identified as straight or Bi. By the time I was done with them... Umm, not so much
CSPYNY Posts: 105	May 20, 2008 10:11 PM GMT Quote I wish I could be "bisexual". I'd live a straight life and no one would need to know.
eb925guy Posts: 924	May 20, 2008 10:13 PM GMT Quote cspyny saidI wish I could be "bisexual". I'd live a straight life and no one would need to know. except for that pink laptop.... oh sorry, I couldn't resist! It's just such an EASY target! LOL
UncleverName Posts: 375	May 20, 2008 10:24 PM GMT Quote This whole topic is rather inane. Bi is just another label. It's something someone chooses to call themselves at a particular time. That's all. No wonder coming out is such a big deal; it's like if you label yourself something, you're choosing that for the rest of your life. Even if a Bi guy eventually decides that he's gay, it doesn't mean he wasn't ever Bi. It just means he changed his label. Are you guys saying that just because a guy prefers men over women most of the time (or even all of the time), that he can't ever be attracted to women? That's BS. Just because you can't identify with something, or haven't had experiences that allow you to relate, or even fathom a concept, doesn't disprove it. And what the hell difference does it make to you personally anyways if 'Bi' exists?
lilTanker Posts: 1162	May 20, 2008 11:09 PM GMT Quote palikari saidThere is a difference between cutting through the majority of BS and being narrow minded. Indeed, perhaps you should move into the former then! I'll put it out there. I'm sexual attracted to women, yes, I've wanked over straight and lesbian porn (well, it was two women and one guy but he wasn't doing much, but them girls where HOT) I've slept with women, I've enjoyed it, I've gotten off, there crap of blow jobs but everything else is fine and dandy.. I like guys too, there hot, watch gay porn, wank over gay porn, fuck guys, do all sorts of stuff with them.. Had relationships with both (prefer guys right now though it is a little more simple although not by much) heh, interesting story, my family where talking about this, I was sitting quietly and suddenly they asked me about bi guys and if they where real, I told them I was attracted to women too.. OOOH the shock to them to hear that, it was like I'd come out again (having previously just come out as gay) but it wasn't a good shock either.. They where actually angry with me, because they couldn't imagen me with a women.. So, sweethearts who wish to judge me and others like me, go ahead, be like most of society, shrugs I really could care less how you feel about my sexuality because it is mine after all and not yours, so if I look to be less in your eyes because I appreciate both sexes, because I value both for all they are worth (not just sexually) then so be it, I'd prefer it to conforming and never living my life!
GHoSTa Posts: 575	May 21, 2008 7:34 AM GMT Quote That's it .. we want to reach a point that we belive in bisexuality .. and that it's not only astone in the way for coming out of the closet .. I guess we'll never know how much Biseuxals are there in comparison to Gays .. Ccuz it's all about how the person lables himself and only he can decide what to call himself -- Bi people can hide the fact that they are attracted to women only to fit in the gay community better .. Now I was wondering why the majority of my friends are Bi .. or maybe it's just a coinsedence.
studd Posts: 55	May 21, 2008 8:12 AM GMT Quote John43620 saidWith people, anything can happen. Ditto, I agree with that. Men and women offer different things, not just sexually and some people can enjoy them more than others. They may be few bi-men but there are def. more bi-women than men. What eplains that? Why are women more men, the problem with this site is that its too homo and not 'nough bi/lesbian women here to give u guys some perspective. Some people are just more open sexually and that scares many people. If you are not being forced to choose gay or hetero the way society demands of men maybe you will come to realize that some women have lots to offer.
iguanaSF Posts: 798	May 21, 2008 8:50 AM GMT Quote GHoSTa saidI guess we'll never know how much Biseuxals are there in comparison to Gays .. Yup. We'll never know. Impossible to find out. Cause all we're relying on is our own feelings. Our own intuition. Our own world view. Our own experiences. I wonder if water molecules exist? We'll never know. I know I have never seen a water molecule in my life. Ever. I mean I can't even imagine a water molecule. Thus we'll never know if they exist. If someone tells me there's a way to actually determine if they exist, if someone shows me this new fangled Interweb thingy that can instantly give me access to all the research on water molecules so I can actually check my own world view against those of the rest of the planet... why I'll just ignore it, and repeat over and over that I've never ever seen a water molecule. Nope. Never in my whole life. So I can't imagine it. Therefore it doesn't exist. Yessiree. So many many things we'll just never ever know. Honestly, sometimes I feel like I've wandered into Medieval times here on RJ.com.
sexysamer Posts: 1785	May 21, 2008 8:58 AM GMT Quote My friend was married to his ex-wife and have two kids, but he is Gay.
bgcat57 Posts: 999	May 21, 2008 9:23 AM GMT Quote iguanaSF said[quote] Yup. We'll never know. Impossible to find out. Cause all we're relying on is our own feelings. Our own intuition. Our own world view. Our own experiences. I wonder if water molecules exist? We'll never know. I know I have never seen a water molecule in my life. Ever. I mean I can't even imagine a water molecule. Thus we'll never know if they exist. If someone tells me there's a way to actually determine if they exist, if someone shows me this new fangled Interweb thingy that can instantly give me access to all the research on water molecules so I can actually check my own world view against those of the rest of the planet... why I'll just ignore it, and repeat over and over that I've never ever seen a water molecule. Nope. Never in my whole life. So I can't imagine it. Therefore it doesn't exist. Yessiree. So many many things we'll just never ever know. Honestly, sometimes I feel like I've wandered into Medieval times here on RJ.com. Funny, iguanaSF. I was going to say the same thing about electricity. ....now where did I put my mace?
Maverick75 Posts: 326	May 21, 2008 10:03 AM GMT Quote What a surpise. This thread has a lot of what I expected. It always pisses me off to see gay men being unaccepting of bisexuals. How many times can you bitch about the straights not accepting gays, then turn around and not accept bisexuals? Just because they say they're bi doesn't mean they have to demonstrate by alternating between the genders everytime they have sex. It might explain more of how they feel inside.
lilTanker Posts: 1162	May 21, 2008 11:42 AM GMT Quote PhxAriz08 saidMy friend was married to his ex-wife and have two kids, but he is Gay. Oh thats it, thats done it, we are all fags no matter how we feel about the female sex!
Sedative Posts: 5407	May 21, 2008 12:16 PM GMT Quote iguanaSF said Honestly, sometimes I feel like I've wandered into Medieval times here on RJ.com. And everyone are queens. Well, I disagree with a lot of you here. I basically believe that majority of humans are bisexual to a degree and it is the true heterosexuals or true homosexuals who are rare as according to the Kinsey Scale. I do not mean bisexuals solely, as in those who are Kinsey 3, but everything in between from the bicurious to the bisexual leaning women (in case of men) to the true bisexuals, bisexual leaning men, and gay men who are 'hetero-curious'. It's logical. Almost everything follows the normal curve distribution in statistics. And heterosexual and homosexual being polar points, it is very likely that distribution will be far greater in the middle than in the ends. A fact proven by numerous surveys. Most heterosexuals are simply pressured by society to conform which is why they never give in to homosexual urges. This applies to gay men who perhaps who also find it easier to just identify with exclusive homosexuality rather than admit something in common with the 'straight herd'. So yes, I believe in bisexuality. Those who admit to being bisexual without hiding behind the safety of straightness however would probably be rare because of the ostracization they'd have to face if they ever admitted to having homosexual desires. "Bi now, gay later" would only apply to the exclusive homosexuals who are still afraid to admit it or true bisexuals who are leaning more to homosexuality. That doesn't prove the nonexistence of bisexuals. Notice how, that even if you lump homosexuals and the so-called 'bi now, gay later' guys, you'd still come up with less than 10% of the population. So 90% of the population is straight? I think not. I think you guys are basically just angry at bisexuals for being able to pass off as straight, hence the comments here... hmmm
hotversguynnj Posts: 63	May 21, 2008 12:41 PM GMT Quote Hmmmm......What about the guys that claim to be "str8" and only like to suck Cock....Thats who I also wind up meeting....Whats up with that???...How can you be "Str8" then???.......
SoDakGuy Posts: 630	May 21, 2008 1:09 PM GMT Quote Okay ... I do believe there is a thing as bisexuality. Sexuality, in general, is fluid. There is nothing black nor white with sexuality. I know gay guys who happen to still have sex w/ women and there are straight guys that have had sex w/ men. Trying to pigeon hole someone into one category of sexuality can be considered a bit narrow minded. I do find women attractive, but I am not attracted to them. Well ... if they have a supremely athletic body, I'm quite turned on. But I'm attracted to men and I find men attractive.
palikari Posts: 140	May 21, 2008 2:34 PM GMT Quote "liltanker Indeed, perhaps you should move into the former then!" I am in the former my friend. The points I have made above are: 1) True bisexuality is very rare. Can happen, but very rare. 2) There should be a distinction between a bisexual and a closeted gay guy who is able to get hard with a girl and fuck her. As some other members far more eloquently said, people use the term very losely primariily to avoid the gay stigma. I dont care if you are bisexual, I am glad I am not, as it almost appears to add another level of complication in ones life; hard getting acceptance from the straights or the gays.
Luckydog76 Posts: 882	May 21, 2008 2:55 PM GMT Quote If I was bisexual, that would double my chances on a Saturday night.
redheadguy Posts: 2232	May 21, 2008 3:02 PM GMT Quote I think you guys are basically just angry at bisexuals for being able to pass off as straight, hence the comments here... Hahahahahaha Now, I've heard everything.
palikari Posts: 140	May 21, 2008 3:12 PM GMT Quote I think you guys are basically just angry at bisexuals for being able to pass off as straight, hence the comments here Ha ha I missed that one!! I have no problem passing off as gay sedative.
swimbikerun Posts: 916	May 21, 2008 3:49 PM GMT Quote Still, with all the "evidence" that bisexuals are among us, I can't say I've ever met a true bisexual. People I've met tend to favor one sex over the other.
Emailguy Posts: 25	May 21, 2008 6:20 PM GMT Quote I think you guys are basically just angry at bisexuals for being able to pass off as straight, hence the comments here Say what? If anything, I sort of feel bad from bisexuals because the do tend to get it from both sides(Does that sound sexual?). And being able to pass for straight doesn't mean much of anything. My guess is it's still pretty miserable for bisexuals to pass as straight(I mean what's being bisexual without the bi?). I'm a strong believer in the Kinsey Scale, because I embrace the thought that VERY few things (if no things at all) are black and white. My first (and last :cry boyfriend was truly bisexual he was neither ashamed nor hiding. He just loved people and what both genders had to offer.
GHoSTa Posts: 575	May 21, 2008 7:12 PM GMT Quote Sedative saidHonestly, sometimes I feel like I've wandered into Medieval times here on RJ.com. "Bi now, gay later" would only apply to the exclusive homosexuals who are still afraid to admit it or true bisexuals who are leaning more to homosexuality. That doesn't prove the nonexistence of bisexuals. Notice how, that even if you lump homosexuals and the so-called 'bi now, gay later' guys, you'd still come up with less than 10% of the population. So 90% of the population is straight? I think not. [/quote] I agree , I do think that bisexuals are more than 10% not including the execlusive gay ones .. it does make more sense .. And for the relationship thing , as I said before , I don't want a Bi guy who will always look at women - I mean think about it , when he's attracted to both he'll want to try both .. even when he's only with guys in a while he'll want to try something different .. in addition to the delemas , questions, confusions ..... god knows ..
studd Posts: 55	May 21, 2008 8:44 PM GMT Quote Wow, u dont want a bi guy that will look at women but for most of u here it is ok for your guy to be steping out on u with other guys??? Wow, so it ok to have multiple sex parners in a gay relationship but not ok to look at women when u are in a gay relationship. Even chicks are ok with bf checking out other women after the first two years.
lilTanker Posts: 1162	May 21, 2008 10:12 PM GMT Quote palikari saidAs some other members far more eloquently said, people use the term very losely primariily to avoid the gay stigma. I never introduce my self as bi, actually I never introduce my self as anything but Ben. The whole, gay, bi, straight shit, well, if they time comes where I feel the need to clear anything up, I tell them I do guys and girls but I prefer men! [quote]I dont care if you are bisexual, I am glad I am not, as it almost appears to add another level of complication in ones life; hard getting acceptance from the straights or the gays.[/quote] HAHAHA Like I'd care if the gay/straight community accepted me, I don't live there life, I live my own, you don't like it, tough tits! GHoSTaAnd for the relationship thing , as I said before , I don't want a Bi guy who will always look at women - I mean think about it , when he's attracted to both he'll want to try both .. even when he's only with guys in a while he'll want to try something different .. in addition to the delemas , questions, confusions ..... god knows .. OMG Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard and I've had the misfortune of hearing a lot of stupid things! Do you feel your in competition with every guy out there? don't want the competition of women too? lordy me.
hotrocks101 Posts: 3	May 21, 2008 11:23 PM GMT Quote Interesting discussion. I guess every group of people can be guilty of everything they accuse everybody else of....fundamentalism! It always amazes me how each group of people, especially the hard core ones, always seem to think their opinion is the only that's right, could possibly be right or should be right. If they can't imagine it, it must not be so. Just for the record. I love penis. Love it, love it, love it. I love the way it looks, feels, smells and tastes. I can't really do without it for very long to be honest with you. But....just for the record. I love pussy too. Love it, love it, love it. I love the way it looks, feels, smells and tastes. I can't really do without THAT very long either. On a regular basis I MUST have my dick and pussy fixes. Its really the best there is. It always amazes me that straight people can't ever get their head around people being and liking homosexuality. But its just as amazing that gay people can't get their head around bisexuality either. But while gays are calling the hetero community intolerant (which they are) the gay community acts the same way toward bisexuals. What a joke. Frankly, when I 'm with gays, they think I'm gay. And when I'm with straights, they think I'm straight. Basically I blow smoke up both. Willfully, consciously and deliberately. And you know why? Because I don't have to justify myself to anybody especially when I know they can't and aren't mature enough to be open minded enough and broad minded enough to alternative veiwpoints other than their own. I don't need to demand respect from them in order to affirm myself so I'm comfortable enough to let them continue in their limited beliefs. I feel sorry for them. I think both are missing out. The same way I feel about conservatives missing out on what liberals have to say and liberals missing out on what conservatives have to say. They could both learn from each other. Both have something of value to bring to the table and both are limited in their views and sadly mistaken on many things. Too bad they can't appreciate the value of the other. Eh? I love gays. I think they are some of the most wonderful people on the earth and people who shun them because they are gay are missing out on some extraordinary humanity. I love gay men in specific because of that wonderful male body. And I feel sorry for straight men that are missing out on the wonderousness of all that is the male body. But I also love women in specific because of that wonderful female body. And I feel sorry for gay men that are missing out on the wonderousness of all that is the female body. And you know what? When I'm standing in your midst....you will never know who I am. The unicorn does exist. Your "belief" that it doesn't exist does not change what actually exists anymore than believing the world is flat makes it so. Things exist as they are completely separate from our knowledge of it. I'd like to be more open when I'm around you guys. But as some of you have pointed out in various ways, not only is hetero society intolerant and unaccepting of people different from them and their view but so are you gays. Shame on you "so-called" open minded liberals. What a joke that really is. Liberal fundamentalism is just as insidious as conservative fundamentalism. We've just swapped religious puritanism for secular puritanism. Political Correctness is just an updated secular version of Victorianism. So do what you want. Ridicule me, psycho-analyze me, call me names, deny I exist, and when I stand in your group and listen to your opinions of this I will continue to say to you, "Oh yes. I know what you mean." "Do I agree?" "Well, I'll have to give that some thought." or "hmmm. you might have a point." I might even say, "You're right! Those deluded souls!" I find myself saying the same things to Christians. And I'll will simply enjoy your company, appreciate who are the way YOU are made without trying to change you and never argue with you. Because.....I don't need to. I'm perfectly at ease with my own being and my sexuality and take advantage of it to the hilt. I'm also just as much at ease with your being. Just ask my boyfriend AND my girlfriend both of whom know about the other and don't mind it at all as long as I come back to them. I....am in heaven and it's ALL good!
Hidden/Deleted Member	May 21, 2008 11:33 PM GMT Quote redheadguy saidThis idea that there's some sliding sexuality scale is complete bollocks, in my opinion. Well, I do not consider myself bisexual. I am gay, fully self-identified and have had lots of one-nighters and two significant relationships with men (over six years each). But--even after coming out, I had a brief sexual affair with a woman. Why? Because she turned me on, very simply. I do think there is a sliding scale, and I am clearly not at either extreme, though I tend most strongly towards the gay end. I'd guess I'm a Kinsey 5.
tommysguns200... Posts: 923	May 21, 2008 11:38 PM GMT Quote there's no bi...only gay and straight...black and white. There's nothing in between. If you think you're in between, you are kidding yourself. I'm sick of everyone thinking that they are indiviuals. You are NOT allowed to label yourself...only I can tell you what you are. We are the collective...we are the Borg. (We are Republicans)
OHhiker Posts: 440	May 21, 2008 11:55 PM GMT Quote I guess I don't exist unless you beleive in me. Wow! I feel like Santa! Or maybe the Easter Bunny. No no - I'm a unicorn!! Maybe you'll celebrate my existence at least one day per year?
Chizzad Posts: 674	May 22, 2008 12:03 AM GMT Quote redheadguy saidI believe in bisexuals as much as I believe in unicorns and Father Christmas. Yeah if you are gay then it is hard to see what it is like or even understand being bisexual. You know now that I think of it, it's like a straight person being able to understand why someone would be gay. The point is it is not fair to assume or judge that lifestyle as you do not want it done to you. I am bisexual and I find more women attractive than I do men. Although I hope my current relationship will last I would never count out being with a woman if it doesnt. So I guess I am a unicorn or bisexual, whichever you prefer!
ActiveAndFit Posts: 2819	May 22, 2008 12:24 AM GMT Quote Chizzad said So I guess I am a unicorn or bisexual, whichever you prefer! Unicorns are purdy I need to get me a unicorn.
Chizzad Posts: 674	May 22, 2008 12:26 AM GMT Quote Haha I can be your unicorn then LOL
SurrealLife Posts: 4403	May 22, 2008 12:32 AM GMT Quote Chizzad said[quote][cite]redheadguy said[/cite]I believe in bisexuals as much as I believe in unicorns and Father Christmas. Yeah if you are gay then it is hard to see what it is like or even understand being bisexual. You know now that I think of it, it's like a straight person being able to understand why someone would be gay. The point is it is not fair to assume or judge that lifestyle as you do not want it done to you. I am bisexual and I find more women attractive than I do men. Although I hope my current relationship will last I would never count out being with a woman if it doesnt. So I guess I am a unicorn or bisexual, whichever you prefer![/quote] Yeah I must admit it does take chutzpah to tell people who they are without being in their heads. Sort of like the religious fundamentalists who insist I "chose" to be gay, as if they would f**king know what I had been thinking or feeling for 47+ years.
ActiveAndFit Posts: 2819	May 22, 2008 12:35 AM GMT Quote Chizzad saidHaha I can be your unicorn then LOL Whaaa? Am I supposed to argue with that? Unicorn horns are supposed to be magic you know! If you rub them ... well ..
carabin Posts: 6	May 22, 2008 12:50 AM GMT Quote "In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women. The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men." The study isn't new, it's from 2005, and the most authoritative one on the subject, using methods Kinsey could have only dreamt of. Read the article about it if you like: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/health/05sex.html
ActiveAndFit Posts: 2819	May 22, 2008 12:53 AM GMT Quote carabin saidThe psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men." Well, how many identified themselves as unicorns, huh?? Guess I got ya there eh?
Chizzad Posts: 674	May 22, 2008 12:57 AM GMT Quote LOL
carabin Posts: 6	May 22, 2008 12:57 AM GMT Quote "Well, how many identified themselves as unicorns, huh?? Guess I got ya there eh? " Uncorns, gay, tomato, tomhaato.
hotrocks101 Posts: 3	May 22, 2008 12:58 AM GMT Quote Well. There it is then. The world IS flat.
ActiveAndFit Posts: 2819	May 22, 2008 1:08 AM GMT Quote carabin saidUncorns, gay, tomato, tomhaato. Yeah, but ONLY a unicorn has a magic horn lol
Hidden/Deleted Member	May 22, 2008 2:30 AM GMT Quote I do agree that no one is probably 50-50. Ask a bisexual man the following question: If you were walking down the center of a street, and the most physically appealing naked man was on one sidewalk and the most appealing naked woman on the opposite side of the street, even if you were likely to ogle each of them in turn, you would ordinarily look at one of them first. Which one?
Emailguy Posts: 25	May 22, 2008 3:13 AM GMT Quote tommysguns2000 saidthere's no bi...only gay and straight...black and white. There's nothing in between. If you think you're in between, you are kidding yourself. I'm sick of everyone thinking that they are indiviuals. You are NOT allowed to label yourself...only I can tell you what you are. We are the collective...we are the Borg. (We are Republicans) That's the best quote. . . like ever. That is all. I have nothing intelligent to add.
tommysguns200... Posts: 923	May 22, 2008 4:01 AM GMT Quote that was actually quite intelligent, emailguy.
Maverick75 Posts: 326	May 22, 2008 6:12 AM GMT Quote jprichva saidI do agree that no one is probably 50-50. Ask a bisexual man the following question: If you were walking down the center of a street, and the most physically appealing naked man was on one sidewalk and the most appealing naked woman on the opposite side of the street, even if you were likely to ogle each of them in turn, you would ordinarily look at one of them first. Which one? Why does bisexually have to be exactly 50-50? Who says? It doesn't matter if they're more attracted to one sex or the other. It established that they have an attraction to both, and can engage in sex with both. Think about this. If a bisexual male were walking down the center of the street and saw a gay guy and straight woman. What if he asked both of them individually if they wanted to have great sex right now? How might the straight woman answer? What about the gay guy? I'm thinking the he has a greater chance of getting a yes from the gay guy over the straight woman. Its situational that he'd have sex with the gay guy over the straight woman. Becuase the gay guy is more likely to say yes.
sexysamer Posts: 1785	May 22, 2008 6:30 AM GMT Quote PhxAriz08 saidMy friend was married to his ex-wife and have two kids, but he is Gay. lilTanker said Oh thats it, thats done it, we are all fags no matter how we feel about the female sex! That's right, even straight guys are gay ;)
NoSuchPerson Posts: 75	May 22, 2008 6:38 AM GMT Quote Human sexuality is a spectrum, not just absolutes. Basically, we will f**k anything and anyone if the horniness and opportunity are there.
Sedative Posts: 5407	May 22, 2008 7:35 AM GMT Quote palikari said Ha ha I missed that one!! I have no problem passing off as gay sedative. Then why the hostility? tommysguns2000We are the collective...we are the Borg. You will be assimilated.
Guy101 Posts: 876	May 22, 2008 7:52 AM GMT Quote I think some people here put way too much thought into what a bi person is. Honestly, who cares since by judging them based off of their preference in sexual tastes is pretty much like the pot calling the kettle black. Bisexuals are sorta stuck in limbo and you have 3 types of bisexuals (in my opinion). The serious bi's The experimental bi's and finally the conveinent bi's Each has their defination but all do pretty much the same thing as in they have sex with both genders for whatever reason. Again, who cares what they do just like who cares what most of us gay men do. To the individuals who try defining what a true bi person is then answer me this. What is a true gay person since it teeters on the same subject dealing with sexuality? Can a person who has never slept with a man call himself gay or is it just a pyschological thing? The world is not so cut and dry and some people like to have their cake and eat it too. You have str8 people who are stuck on just on being happy with the opposite gender, you have gays/lesbians who obviously enjoy the company of the same sex and you have bi's who switch between genders for whaever reason resulting in pleasure. There is such a thing as "the inbetween" and for those who enjoy living inbetween it I say kudos to them. Personally I find bi's to be sexually more free then either a str8 person or gay person because they are clearly in touch with themselves on a sexual level and most bi's that I've met tend not to be as judgemental as a straight person of person on subjects dealing with sex. Imagine that. Oh and jarhead....you've probably meet a bi person. You just didn't know it. How could you. You can't call yourself straight if you are gay. That's an oxymoron, but you can be bi and just like it both ways. Teehee.
Sedative Posts: 5407	May 22, 2008 7:58 AM GMT Quote Guy101 said The serious bi's The experimental bi's and final the conveinent bi's personally I find bi's to be sexually more free then either a str8 person or gay person because they are clearly in touch with themselves on a sexual level and most bi's that I've met tend not to be as judgemental as a straight person of person on subjects dealing with sex. Imagine that. I agree. I also find bisexuals freer, at least the true ones. I mean, overcoming the barriers of gender? What could be freer than that?
palikari Posts: 140	May 22, 2008 1:56 PM GMT Quote palikari said Ha ha I missed that one!! I have no problem passing off as gay sedative. Then why the hostility? OK sedative you got me. I am a closeted bisexual man that needs to come to terms with it. Maybe in the process I can pass of as straight that would make me so much better off. Carabin thats a very interesting study but I will have to disagree with you because from today morning I am bisexual
Sedative Posts: 5407	May 22, 2008 2:09 PM GMT Quote palikari said OK sedative you got me. I am a closeted bisexual man that needs to come to terms with it. Maybe in the process I can pass of as straight that would make me so much better off. Carabin thats a very interesting study but I will have to disagree with you because from today morning I am bisexual Huh? No one's pushing you are bisexual. LOL. What I simply don't get is why the wide generalization that 'Bi's don't exist' and then the hostility at the implication that the Bi's you know are 'bu now, gay later' guys who as you stated 'haven't yet grown the balls'.
palikari Posts: 140	May 22, 2008 2:12 PM GMT Quote Clearly you havent read my posts Sedative.
Hidden/Deleted Member	May 22, 2008 2:14 PM GMT Quote "I don't believe in bisexuals. I think the rest of us have to choose and so should they" --Suzanne Sugarbaker
BearCub17 Posts: 228	May 22, 2008 2:16 PM GMT Quote You cannot categorize your friends as "gay" or "bi", as sexuality is not distinct levels. You can have any manner of sexual interests, which is why it's best to avoid sexuality labels in general. For example, most of my friends would call me "bi", but i define myself as being sexually attracted to men, and more emotionally attracted to women. I have had a few girlfriends who I've loved and really connected with intimately, but I've only had sex and been really physically intimate with men. Am I gay because i dont and probably wont have sex with women? Or am I bi because I've had girlfriends and could see myself one day marrying a women and raising a family? You could really argue either way, which is why i tend to just avoid both terms completely. Yet i do identify with being bi, and tell people that if they ask about my sexuality, as it's easier than trying to justify myself to people, and i dont like coming off as a pretentious asshole, which i usually do when discussing sexuality . As for 10% of the population being gay, it's been shown that its more like 3%, 5% tops. Yet, because a "gay" man occasionally having sex with a women does not define him as being "gay" or "bi", then neither does a "straight" man having sex with men on occassion. Because there are many men who dont identify as being gay or bi who have hooked up with men before, that is why it seems like more than 10% of the population is gay. In my opinion, everyone has some attraction to men in them, whether it be sexual or not. Almost all ancient civilizations have shown no distinction between man-women love and man-man love, and it is only because puritanism founded America that is suddenly became taboo for men to love men, thus creating a stigma that "straight" guys should not only avoid man-man sex, but all passionate acts with men. So I think, just like in ancient society, all men have a certain attraction to men, and that is why it seems like there are so many more gay men than those who identify as being gay. And as the traditional puritanistic views continue to change, there will be more and more men on the market
Chizzad Posts: 674	May 22, 2008 2:28 PM GMT Quote Chasersprize said"I don't believe in bisexuals. I think the rest of us have to choose and so should they" --Suzanne Sugarbaker I know a guy that chose to shoot himself in the face with a shotgun, I guess we all should do it!
palikari Posts: 140	May 22, 2008 2:31 PM GMT Quote I know a guy that chose to shoot himself in the face with a shotgun, I guess we all should do it! If Suzanne said it, I think I should.
MikemikeMike Posts: 1041	May 22, 2008 2:33 PM GMT Quote Well said Chizzad, well spoken!!
Chizzad Posts: 674	May 22, 2008 2:37 PM GMT Quote MikemikeMike saidWell said Chizzad, well spoken!! Thank you MikemikeMike, why can't people choose to label themselves or think for themselves these days? Is it against the law to be different or to think you are different? Hell to the no, I will be what I want to be and in return I will let others be what they want to be!
palikari Posts: 140	May 22, 2008 2:59 PM GMT Quote Chizzad - thank you for allowing me to be what I want to be. Appreciate it. Question for the bis: Do you love the way pussy feels, smells, tastes? Can you live the rest of your lives without one?
Chizzad Posts: 674	May 22, 2008 3:09 PM GMT Quote palikari saidChizzad - thank you for allowing me to be what I want to be. Appreciate it. Question for the bis: Do you love the way pussy feels, smells, tastes? Can you live the rest of your lives without one? You are welcome and I love the tast of pussy LOL!
palikari Posts: 140	May 22, 2008 3:14 PM GMT Quote Sucks that you cant have it both. I guess life is about sacrifices...