Obama Calls DOMA Repeal

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    Oct 03, 2011 8:10 AM GMT
    Well that at least is good....

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/02/obama-calls-for-repeal-of-defense-of-marriage-act/
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    Oct 03, 2011 12:17 PM GMT
    It's about time -- and we can expect that this is not just campaign season lip service and the White House will now start an all-out push for the Respect for Marriage Act repealing DOMA...right?

    Hello? Mr. President?

    *crickets*
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    Oct 03, 2011 12:33 PM GMT
    Hey what do ya know...

    He evolved.

    :-)
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    Oct 03, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    heeb, see TroyAthlete's post.

    Nothing will come of this.
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    Oct 03, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
    Haha

    "At the beginning of his speech, Obama joked that he talked 'with your leader, Lady Gaga'."
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    Oct 03, 2011 5:32 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidIt's about time -- and we can expect that this is not just campaign season lip service and the White House will now start an all-out push for the Respect for Marriage Act repealing DOMA...right?


    No, it's just lip service so you can vote for the black guy instead of the white guy. He'll give SOME gay rights, but not nearly as much as he promises during campaigning. But meh...he's better than most of the Republican candidates.
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    Oct 03, 2011 5:38 PM GMT
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    TroyAthlete saidIt's about time -- and we can expect that this is not just campaign season lip service and the White House will now start an all-out push for the Respect for Marriage Act repealing DOMA...right?


    No, it's just lip service so you can vote for the black guy instead of the white guy. He'll give SOME gay rights, but not nearly as much as he promises during campaigning. But meh...he's better than most of the Republican candidates.


    In much the same manner that most of the GOP slate of candidates hacked off their signatures on that NOM pledge but have little interest in actually sponsoring a re-instate DADT or an equal marriage ban.

    Much less rounding up the gays and shipping us all off to FEMA internment/death camps.

    Except for Ms. Bachmann and her totally str8 no-homo pussy-eating "doctor" hubby. Natch.
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    Oct 03, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
    JakeBenson said

    No, it's just lip service so you can vote for the black guy instead of the white guy. He'll give SOME gay rights, but not nearly as much as he promises during campaigning. But meh...he's better than most of the Republican candidates.


    Well good enough is good enough, I guess. I'll clap politely, but I won't cheer.

    Where have all the LBJ's gone? *sigh*

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    Oct 03, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
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    TroyAthlete saidIt's about time -- and we can expect that this is not just campaign season lip service and the White House will now start an all-out push for the Respect for Marriage Act repealing DOMA...right?


    No, it's just lip service so you can vote for the black guy instead of the white guy. He'll give SOME gay rights, but not nearly as much as he promises during campaigning. But meh...he's better than most of the Republican candidates.


    INORITE
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    Oct 04, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
    I remember all the pissing and moaning (on this sight in particular) about how he hasn't done anything about gay issues. In his his first four minutes, months etc.

    Yet, DADT is gone (a Clinton policy) Not to mention the Justice Department has stopped defending DOMA (sets great precedence for future cases) another Clinton policy albeit both were forced on him by the party of small government!

    I think we should give the man a fraking break and maybe get some of these jack-offs that are in the Senate and the House out of his way!
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    Oct 04, 2011 1:59 AM GMT



    Where have all the LBJ's gone? *sigh*



    Agreed! Ever since the 60's these new Democrats just curl up in the corner and start balling whenever a Repug starts whining about how their rights are being trampled on..as they go on trampling on everyone elses!
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    Oct 04, 2011 2:20 AM GMT
    shockandAWED said
    Ever since the 60's these new Democrats just curl up in the corner and start balling whenever a Repug starts whining about how their rights are being trampled on..as they go on trampling on everyone elses!


    ^^ THIS
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    Oct 04, 2011 4:13 AM GMT
    shockandAWED said

    I think we should give the man a fraking break and maybe get some of these jack-offs that are in the Senate and the House out of his way!


    No way! Neither Obama nor any other politician will get a break until gay and bi Americans enjoy the full freedom and equality currently enjoyed by straight people and guaranteed them under the Constitution.

    This is no time to let up.





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    Oct 04, 2011 4:17 AM GMT
    shockandAWED saidI remember all the pissing and moaning (on this sight in particular) about how he hasn't done anything about gay issues. In his his first four minutes, months etc.

    Yet, DADT is gone (a Clinton policy) Not to mention the Justice Department has stopped defending DOMA (sets great precedence for future cases) another Clinton policy albeit both were forced on him by the party of small government!

    I think we should give the man a fraking break and maybe get some of these jack-offs that are in the Senate and the House out of his way!


    I cant stand Obama on many levels. However, I agree with your post as it relates to gay issues. He seems to have stepped up his game in that area and I do give him credit for what he has done.
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    Oct 04, 2011 4:25 AM GMT
    Well, allegedly, gays make up maybe 2% of the population and even less of the electorate. So I'm grateful for any positive attention we get considering we are "mathematically inconsequential" election-wise. There weren't even enough of us to keep same sex marriage in the most liberal state in the US so the fact that anyone, with poll approval so low would even care, is a little beyond me. It definitely isn't the most popular stance. So I'll say "thanks".
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    Oct 04, 2011 4:28 AM GMT
    shockandAWED said


    Where have all the LBJ's gone? *sigh*



    Agreed! Ever since the 60's these new Democrats just curl up in the corner and start balling whenever a Repug starts whining about how their rights are being trampled on..as they go on trampling on everyone elses!


    ^ This.
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    Oct 04, 2011 7:47 PM GMT
    The time for talking was back when he had the votes to get something done.

    I guess it could be worse. Beginning 2013 we could be dealing with a president and congress that want to amend the constitution so instead of being something that preserves and expands our rights, is something that puts limits on our rights.
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    Oct 04, 2011 7:54 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidThe time for talking was back when he had the votes to get something done.

    I guess it could be worse. Beginning 2013 we could be dealing with a president and congress that want to amend the constitution so instead of being something that preserves and expands our rights, is something that puts limits on our rights.


    I think he believed his own hype at that point and thought he would have time to get it done.
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    Oct 04, 2011 7:56 PM GMT
    I think Obama is not a great business/financial president, but he seems to be working hard for ethics which is a nice change. Maybe one man can't do it all.
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    Oct 04, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidThe time for talking was back when he had the votes to get something done.


    The silence then was as strategic as the campaign talk now.

    No matter who is President, we have to take matters into our own hands.
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    Oct 04, 2011 8:24 PM GMT
    It really isn't all that easy to get things done in Congress right now. If you take DOMA repeal as an example, the politics and timelines aren't very good. The House majority is unlikely to introduce a bill. In the Senate, any introduced bill is reported to the appropriate committee unless the rule is waived. I'd guess DOMA repeal would go to Judiciary and could be reported out along party lines. However, this only places it on the Senate's Calendar. To be brought up before the Senate it would need a majority vote or unanimous consent. Getting a majority would be difficult and unanimous consent is out of the question. Even if its brought up, you'd need 60 votes for cloture, the ending of debate, before final passage. That's extremely unlikely. This whole process would take a couple weeks, at best, and the Senate is scheduled to ajoun at the end of December leaving about seven legislative weeks in the year. Even with Senate passage, the chances in the House are slim to none.

    This is for a stand alone bill. There are other options but the politics just get more complex.
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    Oct 04, 2011 8:32 PM GMT
    imasrxd saidIt really isn't all that easy to get things done in Congress right now. If you take DOMA repeal as an example, the politics and timelines aren't very good. The House majority is unlikely to introduce a bill. In the Senate, any introduced bill is reported to the appropriate committee unless the rule is waived. I'd guess DOMA repeal would go to Judiciary and could be reported out along party lines. However, this only places it on the Senate's Calendar. To be brought up before the Senate it would need a majority vote or unanimous consent. Getting a majority would be difficult and unanimous consent is out of the question. Even if its brought up, you'd need 60 votes for cloture, the ending of debate, before final passage. That's extremely unlikely. This whole process would take a couple weeks, at best, and the Senate is scheduled to ajoun at the end of December leaving about seven legislative weeks in the year. Even with Senate passage, the chances in the House are slim to none.

    This is for a stand alone bill. There are other options but the politics just get more complex.


    Yeah, it's wonderful he's for a repeal when it can't happen.

    It's not like the Democrats had a majority in the House, a super-majority in the Senate and held the Presidency recently. I mean, gosh, then they would have been able to repeal DOMA and pass ENDA. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Oct 04, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
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    Yeah, it's wonderful he's for a repeal when it can't happen.

    It's not like the Democrats had a majority in the House, a super-majority in the Senate and held the Presidency recently. I mean, gosh, then they would have been able to repeal DOMA and pass ENDA. icon_rolleyes.gif



    DOMA repeal and ENDA weren't the top priorities after the election. You can argue they should have been and, of course, that's a fair opinion. But the fact of the matter is that reducing overseas troops/winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and health care reform were bigger priorities for Democrats. It's totally fair to agree or disagree with those priorities but I think it's accurate to say that's where the President, House and Senate were at that time. No one knew the Senate 60 vote majority would last such a short time because of Senator Kennedy's illness and death followed by Massachusetts electing a Republican, Senator Scott Brown, to replace him.

    All I was trying to say was that it'll be hard because of time to repeal DOMA this year. It isn't impossible but it'd be hard. I'm not taking a position one way or the other. I just wanted to let people know how the process/schedule works.
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    Yeah, it's wonderful he's for a repeal when it can't happen.

    It's not like the Democrats had a majority in the House, a super-majority in the Senate and held the Presidency recently. I mean, gosh, then they would have been able to repeal DOMA and pass ENDA. icon_rolleyes.gif



    This. We saw the President's cards when the Senate Democrats -- knowing the GOP was about to take over the House -- decided to fast track the DADT repeal...only to have this White House secretly try to backburner the DADT repeal in favor of the START treaty.

    Fortunately, the Dem caucus led by Joe Lieberman of all people (?) said 'Fuck that' and passed the repeal anyway.

    Now that the Democrats no longer have total control over Congress, NOW Obama is all for repealing DOMA? How is that cap-and-trade was a bigger priority than freedom and equality? I love how the Democrats act like they were just too busy, like they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

    It's laughable how transparent Obama is, but gay people are caught between the overly cautious fear of the Democrats and the active homophobia of the Republicans.

    Not a good place to be, but we just have to keep fighting for whatever we can can get. But it is obvious progressives can no longer look to D.C. for bold and fearless leadership on freedom and human rights.
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    Oct 04, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
    Actually, I think it was pretty obvious that the Senate super-majority wasn't going to last through the mid-terms. Historically, the dominant party gets a beating in the mid-terms following a presidential election. The slaughter in the House was rather historic, and the Dems totally mis-read that.

    And I really don't give the President much credit on the DADT repeal. If he had his way, he would have waited until 2011 to do the repeal. He was forced into action on that by the Log Cabin lawsuit, but he would never admit that.

    The chance for DOMA repeal has passed and don't look to the President or the Dems to do anything about it, except talk a good game to get votes. It's unlikely he'll get re-elected and the Dems have the odds stacked against in the Senate, so I don't look for them to hold it. So if we want DOMA legislatively repealed, we probably have to wait another 10 years at least.

    Best hope is through the courts now.