Intellectual Bullies... (And An Apology)

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    Oct 04, 2011 9:58 AM GMT
    I have noticed alot of intellectual bullying going on on RJ, where in conversation, one party may ty to turn it into a competition and use verbal language to belittle the opposing party, rather than to engage in adult conversation...

    Ive noticed it is extremely common in atheist vs religious threads and political threads.. where anyone of opposing opinion is shot down as being inferior due to supposed lack of intellect...Many things such as "why dont you think rationally for once?" or "that is a ridiculous and idiotic thing to say".. it may also be disguised in sarcasm...

    I think most everyone on here has the tendency to get drawn into it, so I've noticed more and more I try to stay away from discussions that centre about these kinds of arguments... it becomes a childish game of "winner" vs "loser".. as if politics and religion were football matches really ...

    its important when you engage in debate to steer clear of anything that can seem like intellectual bullying, since it is easy to fall into these kinds of traps, as it takes less effort than actual discussion ... and can easily pull your discussion partners into the trap, causing the discussion to lose all its value

    Especially since, unlike physical bullying, it is not something other adults will teach you is inappropriate for discussion

    Basically please, lets try and be adults on here ... i know Im going to make some better effort now Im aware of it, and I apologise if I have ever made anyone on here feel intellectually "attacked" in any way

    Here a few articles about intellectual bullying

    http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/381

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-05-24-column24_ST_N.htm

    Case in point: the latter article was a reason I never took up atheism... because I just didnt like atheists and the way they behaved towards others .. same reason I didnt take up Christianity or Islam ... ("I like Chirst, I just dont like you Christians" - Gandhi).. it shows how intellectual bullying can, rather than make you allies, cause you to make more enemies in the end, and we all wind up losing under it....



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    Oct 04, 2011 12:31 PM GMT
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    Is this because I poked holes in your comparison?
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 04, 2011 12:47 PM GMT
    I have my views and know they can be conveyed in a grounded manner, respectful of others, even those who have opposing views. Respect of those RJ members and their views goes a long way and I see the same
    respect accorded me every day on this site.

    I've also had the opposite occur.... and I afford them no respect in return.
    That doesn't mean a bunch of abusive language, it means they get little
    acknowledgement.
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    Oct 04, 2011 1:30 PM GMT
    While I agree with your post, it is very difficult to keep all of the members of a site behaving civilly at all times.

    Welcome to the internet, land of the insecure cyber bully. People cannot be held accountable for their e-rants, so they are free to behave like they are back in high school.

    Unfortunately, there are a small number of posters who have two distinct purposes on the site: trolling to get reactions, or pushing their views which they are unable to substantiate intellectually so they resort to bullying.

    All it takes is a small number of these individuals to derail a conversation into a flame war. As long as people continue to feed these individuals by replying to them, we will always have the juvenile conversations that result.

    I'm not speaking about those conversations where individuals are just having fun with each other. Those can be quite funny.

    I'm not sure why people continue to bang their heads against the virtual wall. The best answer is simply to ignore those who are incapable of conversing without their insecurities getting the better of them.

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    Oct 04, 2011 1:45 PM GMT
    No where did I agree to be civil.

    In fact, it is my natural way to be uncivil, disruptive and irereverant.

    Those who wish may block me.

    In this way, we are each empowered to ignore or not ignore as we see fit.

    Have a lovely day.


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    Oct 04, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    heeb saidNo where did I agree to be civil.

    In fact, it is my natural way to be uncivil, disruptive and irereverant.

    Those who wish may block me.

    In this way, we are each empowered to ignore or not ignore as we see fit.

    Have a lovely day.





    Speaking from personal experience, civility opens a lot of doors, so to speak, and builds bridges between people. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 04, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    heeb saidNo where did I agree to be civil.

    In fact, it is my natural way to be uncivil, disruptive and irereverant.

    Those who wish may block me.

    In this way, we are each empowered to ignore or not ignore as we see fit.

    Have a lovely day.





    Speaking from personal experience, civility opens a lot of doors, so to speak, and builds bridges between people. icon_wink.gif


    Not on this site. Very few people are open to an opinon that does not parrot their own and become insanely defensive if you challenge them. Sometimes you cant even ask a question without them picking up their Golden Girls DVDs and gonig home. Its just easier to ignore what they post.
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    Oct 04, 2011 2:19 PM GMT
    I channeled Miss Manners and went on a civility rant (if that's not an oxymoron) a few months ago. It just added fuel to the fire.
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    Oct 04, 2011 2:40 PM GMT
    Thanks GreenHopper! You are so right on.
  • kuroshiro

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    Oct 04, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
    I think in fact a lot of it has to do with tone being misconstrued. With the medium being text, what we may think is something honest and snarky can be taken as something completely different for someone else.
  • calibro

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    Oct 04, 2011 2:52 PM GMT
    I'm sorry that people are so jealous of me... but I can't help it that I'm so smart.
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    Oct 04, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    I'm blaming it all on the Israel/Palestine forums. Can't they all just share some little website some where a long ways away and try to leave the rest of us their forum disputes?
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    Oct 04, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    calibro saidI'm sorry that people are so jealous of me... but I can't help it that I'm so smart.


    This is such a good sarcastic comment. Like anyone from Cali can be smart. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 04, 2011 3:03 PM GMT
    GreenHopper saidI have noticed alot of intellectual bullying going on on RJ, where in conversation, one party may ty to turn it into a competition and use verbal language to belittle the opposing party, rather than to engage in adult conversation...

    Ive noticed it is extremely common in atheist vs religious threads and political threads.. where anyone of opposing opinion is shot down as being inferior due to supposed lack of intellect...Many things such as "why dont you think rationally for once?" or "that is a ridiculous and idiotic thing to say".. it may also be disguised in sarcasm...

    I think most everyone on here has the tendency to get drawn into it, so I've noticed more and more I try to stay away from discussions that centre about these kinds of arguments... it becomes a childish game of "winner" vs "loser".. as if politics and religion were football matches really ...

    its important when you engage in debate to steer clear of anything that can seem like intellectual bullying, since it is easy to fall into these kinds of traps, as it takes less effort than actual discussion ... and can easily pull your discussion partners into the trap, causing the discussion to lose all its value

    Especially since, unlike physical bullying, it is not something other adults will teach you is inappropriate for discussion

    Basically please, lets try and be adults on here ... i know Im going to make some better effort now Im aware of it, and I apologise if I have ever made anyone on here feel intellectually "attacked" in any way

    Here a few articles about intellectual bullying

    http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/381

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-05-24-column24_ST_N.htm

    Case in point: the latter article was a reason I never took up atheism... because I just didnt like atheists and the way they behaved towards others .. same reason I didnt take up Christianity or Islam ... ("I like Chirst, I just dont like you Christians" - Gandhi).. it shows how intellectual bullying can, rather than make you allies, cause you to make more enemies in the end, and we all wind up losing under it....



    This whole post was addressed at Chainers, right? He does the most of the intellectual bullying and bitching here on RJ.
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    Oct 04, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
    It's a nice idea, but the internet operates as high school in perpetuity. That will likely remain unchanged.
  • Bigolbear

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    Oct 04, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    Case in point: the latter article was a reason I never took up atheism... because I just didnt like atheists and the way they behaved towards others .. same reason I didnt take up Christianity or Islam ... ("I like Chirst, I just dont like you Christians" - Gandhi).. it shows how intellectual bullying can, rather than make you allies, cause you to make more enemies in the end, and we all wind up losing under it....



    So the entire reason you didn't take up atheism is because you didn't like atheists? That's interesting.
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    Oct 04, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    RunintheCity saidIt's a nice idea, but the internet operates as high middle school in perpetuity. That will likely remain unchanged.


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    Oct 04, 2011 3:10 PM GMT
    waimea said
    calibro saidI'm sorry that people are so jealous of me... but I can't help it that I'm so smart.


    This is such a good sarcastic comment. Like anyone from Cali can be smart. icon_wink.gif


    someone needs to rewatch mean girls again
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    Oct 04, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI blame it on the bossa nova.
    Actually, I blame most things on it.
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    Oct 04, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidI'm blaming it all on the Israel/Palestine forums. Can't they all just share some little website some where a long ways away and try to leave the rest of us their forum disputes?


    C'mon Iceblink, if you didn't read those threads you wouldn't know what was going on (edit: or so I thought), and it wouldn't bother you.
    Just ignore, it does wonders!
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    Iceblink saidI'm blaming it all on the Israel/Palestine forums. Can't they all just share some little website some where a long ways away and try to leave the rest of us their forum disputes?


    Blame the JOOS.

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    Oct 04, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    calibro said
    waimea said
    calibro saidI'm sorry that people are so jealous of me... but I can't help it that I'm so smart.


    This is such a good sarcastic comment. Like anyone from Cali can be smart. icon_wink.gif


    someone needs to rewatch mean girls again

    *gasp* how dare you, implying that I have lost my edge. icon_evil.gif
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    Oct 04, 2011 3:27 PM GMT
    waimea saidThis whole post was addressed at Chainers, right? He does the most of the intellectual bullying and bitching here on RJ.


    Gasp! Waimea! I am shocked and appalled at this accusation. I myself, the beloved Chainers of RealJock, have recently been a victim of intellectual bullying, and as such, I am now going to devote my time here to get rid of intellectual bullies wherever they may be!

    Very recently I recieved hate mail from a certain RealJock member who railed me for not offering any facts (lets ignore the fact that he failed to offer any as well) and just called me a brain washed idiot who drank the fox news kool-aid. Lets ignore the fact that I think Fox News is moronic, but I felt deeply hurt that another individual on RealJock wouldnt respect my own opinion, simply because it was different from his! Can you imagine?!?!?

    Good post, Greenhopper, I fully support your initiative.
  • ATXnative

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    Oct 04, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    I think more than anything this thread proves the decline of the forums, they are way lamer than they were 2.5 years ago when I originally joined. The solid group of troll queens with dominance issues dominate with their 'supreme' opinions and enjoy butting textual heads, stemming from a lack of control in their own offline lives. They seek approval, ego boosts, recognition, compliments... and when those desires are met with opposition or opinions go unwlecomed, they get grumpy.

    Instead of asking queens to act like mature well to do forum goers, perhaps we should encourage them to go outside and do something not online.