Denmark's "fat tax" experiment

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    Oct 04, 2011 6:13 PM GMT
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/will-a-fat-tax-make-denmark-healthier/2011/10/04/gIQA3D5nKL_blog.html
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    Oct 04, 2011 9:07 PM GMT
    Thank goodness Denmark finally took a step in the right direction, what with it not being enough it's already a wealthy, well off member of the EU with high per capita income and excellent healthcare for its citizens. MOOAAAR!!!! MUST BE BETTER STIILLL!!
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    Oct 04, 2011 9:16 PM GMT
    I see some pros and some cons here.

    Bacon will be more expensive, and so longer as available to the poorer. Butter as well. The article makes some good points about this.

    On the up side, businesses will likely try to lower saturated fat content in prepared food to entice consumers.

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    Oct 04, 2011 9:17 PM GMT
    Oh it taxes fatty foods? That sucks. I wish they would just tax fat people for existing.
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    Oct 04, 2011 9:21 PM GMT
    Chainers, that what I thought as well.

    With the recent research found that it's actually carbohydrates that may be causing obesity vs. saturated fats, this sounds like a horrible idea.
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    Oct 04, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidChainers, that what I thought as well.

    With the recent research found that it's actually carbohydrates that may be causing obesity vs. saturated fats, this sounds like a horrible idea.


    Except the research isn't recent. It's as old, if not older, than all the research "concluding" that saturated animal fat "causes" obesity and heart disease. And yet we still demonize saturated fat for various reasons - political, social, and otherwise. (Read Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories Bad Calories")

    As much as I abhor this taxation, I think this should be an interesting experiment. If, after a few years down the line, Denmark isn't getting skinnier, healthier, or living longer (even after reducing the consumption of saturated fat), we can conclude that either 1) saturated fat consumption was not lowered enough or 2) saturated fat consumption does not significantly alter your risk for cardiovascular disease or obesity

    Of course, even the thought of conclusion #2 would seem absurd considering the zeitgeist of health and nutrition nowadays icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 04, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
    Chainers saidOh it taxes fatty foods? That sucks. I wish they would just tax fat people for existing.


    Yeah I know, right? They should absolutely do that here to in USA. Especially in the midwest. Last time I was in Chicago at the winter I swear I saw whales of people storming at me. That'll take care of the obesity crisis
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    Oct 04, 2011 10:38 PM GMT
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    Chainers saidOh it taxes fatty foods? That sucks. I wish they would just tax fat people for existing.


    Yeah I know, right? They should absolutely do that here to in USA. Especially in the midwest. Last time I was in Chicago at the winter I swear I saw whales of people storming at me. That'll take care of the obesity crisis


    Agreed we should all go into our weigh ins and if your body fat is over 20% you should pay a tax of 15% of your income, which should go to subsidize healthy foods.
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    Oct 04, 2011 10:51 PM GMT
    This is retarded eggs, cheese, butter, beef, pork, are now all gonna cost more.
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    Oct 04, 2011 10:59 PM GMT
    I'm not too enthusiastic about this either.

    I highly doubt that merely taxing saturated fat will do the trick, they need to be way more detailed as to what is being taxed. They should tax white bread, products containing lots of corn starch, and snack foods that pack way too many calories and artificial flavourants.

    If you're taxing saturated fat you're basically increasing the price of coconut milk while a candy bar remains at its old price.

    It would be better if they'd introduce a per product excise tax - with the public health service determining on a per product basis what is outside of the limits of healthy food.
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    Oct 04, 2011 11:04 PM GMT
    Chainers saidOh it taxes fatty foods? That sucks. I wish they would just tax fat people for existing.


    Yeah for real. It's not the fat food that makes you fat. It's your fat that makes you fat.
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    Oct 04, 2011 11:06 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidChainers, that what I thought as well.

    With the recent research found that it's actually carbohydrates that may be causing obesity vs. saturated fats, this sounds like a horrible idea.


    Neither carbs nor fat causes obesity.....
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    Oct 04, 2011 11:07 PM GMT
    Tazo995 said
    If you're taxing saturated fat you're basically increasing the price of coconut milk while a candy bar remains at its old price.


    Candy bars are high in fat. most sweet junk food is high in fat. It's not just sugar.
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    Oct 04, 2011 11:09 PM GMT
    Would the FAT TAX work in the United States?
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    Oct 04, 2011 11:11 PM GMT
    Fivealive saidWould the FAT TAX work in the United States?


    The citizens of Ohio and Texas would be broke in 2 months
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:02 AM GMT
    canuckguy19 said
    Fivealive saidWould the FAT TAX work in the United States?


    The citizens of Ohio and Texas would be broke in 2 months


    But the government would be able to pay their debts off right!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    canuckguy19 said
    Fivealive saidWould the FAT TAX work in the United States?


    The citizens of Ohio and Texas would be broke in 2 months
    In Florida it'll be three and a half days!
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:10 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    canuckguy19 said
    Fivealive saidWould the FAT TAX work in the United States?


    The citizens of Ohio and Texas would be broke in 2 months
    In Florida it'll be three and a half days!


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    Oct 05, 2011 12:14 AM GMT
    Chainers said
    waimea said
    Chainers saidOh it taxes fatty foods? That sucks. I wish they would just tax fat people for existing.


    Yeah I know, right? They should absolutely do that here to in USA. Especially in the midwest. Last time I was in Chicago at the winter I swear I saw whales of people storming at me. That'll take care of the obesity crisis


    Agreed we should all go into our weigh ins and if your body fat is over 20% you should pay a tax of 15% of your income, which should go to subsidize healthy foods.


    HARSH....... yet pretty much what I think might be necessary.

    If not precisely what you propose(jokingly or not) we may well have to TAX BEHAVIOR.......or probably more sensibly DENY INSURANCE CLAIMS on those behaviors.

    You and I have the right to eat whatever we like, exercise or not, and smoke whatever we like........but I don't think we have the right to demand our fellow citizens to pay for the consequences to our health.

    OTOH, The TOUGH LOVE approach doesn't always work so well with adult human beings. Ultimately I think the approach that would work the best is PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATION so that fat people learn how to change their habits.

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    Oct 05, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
    You know, you people disgust me!! What the hell makes you think you're so much better than overweight people? Just for that fact that you're in shape?! I was overweight throughout all of high school, constantly teased and tormented for being gay and for the way i looked. My mom wasn't in the picture and my dad worked 12-13 hour days, so i was left at home to fend for myself, cook for myself, and basically raise myself. There was no one there to teach me the right way to eat and exercise. So i ate what I wanted, when i wanted. It was so hard for me to lose the weight after i had put it on. I often contemplated taking my own life, just because i felt like it would be a release from everything. I hated myself everyday I looked in the mirror. There are teenage kids that are gay and overweight and feel the same way i did. I'm sure that there are some on here, just looking at pictures of guys, wishing they looked like all of you with your chiseled bodies and great features. But there are many kids who can only hope and dream to look like that, afraid to go to the gym because ignorant people like you look at them like they're disgusting and they don't belong there. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute. Imagine going on here and seeing this post and some of your comments, saying that fat people shouldn't exist. That lowers their self esteem more than you can possibly imagine. They look to people that are in shape as mentors. With the rising number of kids committing suicide for being gay, or for being overweight, how can you justify yourselves in saying these things? Would you turn away an overweight teenager that reaches out to you for fitness advice, just for the fact they they're overweight? It just goes to show that, even people with college educations, and people with real world knowledge, and people that are "mature adults" still act like immature teenagers. Typical gay men that pass judgment on outward appearances before trying to get to know someone for the person that they are. I lost 127 lbs and it took me 2 years to do it. I did it for the wrong reasons, I did it because I wanted people to like me. I wanted to fit in with the "beautiful people". But when you get older, you come to realize that a lot of the "beautiful people" are ugly, and you're better off not even associating yourselves with them. You should lose weight because you want to do it for yourself, forget people like this and do it to make yourself happy. I know there will be kids on here that feel the same way i did and who will read this. Just know that there are people out there that are willing to help and not all people feel the way these people do. I am reaching out to you now, and if you're looking for any advice on how to lose weight and begin your path to becoming healthy, please don't hesitate to send me a message. I will help you in any way I can. Just remember. It gets better!
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:20 AM GMT
    Actually you'll find the guys here super supportive of fatties who are making honest efforts to lose weight.
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:30 AM GMT
    jlyjoegnt, YOU ARE CORRECT to criticize the tone of this discussion.

    And I APOLOGIZE.

    But I don't think we're discussing obesity as a matter of aesthetics......but of health.

    We are all frustrated that we are facing what seems to be a worsening epidemic of obesity.

    We are all FRUSTRATED ! People who are struggling with their obesity are frustrated. All of us who have friends and family who suffer obesity are frustrated.

    We've got to talk about it........and keep talking about it.

    But you are right to remind us that mocking and ridicule isn't going to get us to the goal : a healthier society.

    Congratulations on your success........AND DON'T LET ANY OF US TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU........even if we say something stupid !
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    xKorix saidThis is retarded eggs, cheese, butter, beef, pork, are now all gonna cost more.


    This is exactly why it's a ridiculous idea.
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:33 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidThank goodness Denmark finally took a step in the right direction, what with it not being enough it's already a wealthy, well off member of the EU with high per capita income and excellent healthcare for its citizens. MOOAAAR!!!! MUST BE BETTER STIILLL!!


    And there is very little poverty in Denmark. (Interestingly, there is also very little poverty among Americans of Danish descent...)
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
    PresentMind saidjlyjoegnt, YOU ARE CORRECT to criticize the tone of this discussion.

    And I APOLOGIZE.

    But I don't think we're discussing obesity as a matter of aesthetics......but of health.

    We are all frustrated that we are facing what seems to be a worsening epidemic of obesity.

    We are all FRUSTRATED ! People who are struggling with their obesity are frustrated. All of us who have friends and family who suffer obesity are frustrated.

    We've got to talk about it........and keep talking about it.

    But you are right to remind us that mocking and ridicule isn't going to get us to the goal : a healthier society.

    Congratulations on your success........AND DON'T LET ANY OF US TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU........even if we say something stupid !
    Ditto!