Can you ban tobacco outdoors?

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    Oct 04, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    Today, I opened an e-mail saying that my university is going to go completely tobacco-free for the next year, meaning that overall nobody can use tobacco products- cigarettes, cigars, hookahs or even smokeless tobacco- anywhere on campus, inside or out. Other schools have done similar bans, and they tend to complain about the same thing- the policy is hard to enforce. Even in our case, there is nothing in the PDF released to enforce a stiff penalty- fine or likewise- should students smoke on campus. Yet the support is astounding campus-wide. So I want to know what you guys think. Can you enforce an outdoor smoking ban? Also, are universities across the country infringing on students' rights to light up in the name of public health?
  • BCSwimmer

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    Oct 04, 2011 11:57 PM GMT
    Sure.

    My hometown has banned it "...at bus stops and next to public doorways and windows." Vancouver also has a bylaw prohibiting smoking on outdoor restaurant patios.

    Just last month the council has passed a law that will also ban smoking in all regional parks (that will take effect January 01, 2012).

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2011/09/23/bc-metro-vancouver-parks-smoking-ban.html
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:29 AM GMT
    In Australia there have been smoke free areas for years - best if people comply voluntarily without enforcement - most smokers now recognize that their habit affects others and are careful who cops a lungfull - a small minority couldn't give a rats arse

    Apart from copping a face full ot it - smokers toss butts which are highly toxic onto the ground - these eventually find their way into stormwater drains and the ground water systems - billions of butts are toxic to everyone
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    Oct 05, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
    I work for the University of San Francisco, a smoke-free campus. It still see people smoking but they tend to fall into three easily distinguishable populations:

    - International students (usually Asians)
    - Doofus hipsters
    - The much maligned and seemingly trapped, life-long smoker who can't yet quit.

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    Oct 05, 2011 2:20 AM GMT
    If it's private property than yeah, sure. Hospitals are doing it (obviously). And they can enforce it too.

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    Oct 05, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    I wish they'd ban tobacco outdoors...so I could quit smoking it.
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    Oct 05, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    yea...that...wouldn't work for me...or my friends haha. I didn't think it was possible to ban smokes on campus.
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    Oct 05, 2011 2:50 AM GMT
    AlexanderB saidyea...that...wouldn't work for me...or my friends haha. I didn't think it was possible to ban smokes on campus.

    In my hometown, the hospital, the college, and almost all factories are smoke free campuses. You actually have to walk across the street if you want to smoke. You can't even smoke in your car. A guy I know was fired from his job because he was smoking a cigarette when he pulled into work.
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    Oct 05, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    AlexanderB saidyea...that...wouldn't work for me...or my friends haha. I didn't think it was possible to ban smokes on campus.
    Yeah- there are approximately 300-400 campuses across the United States that ban it. Mine now included.
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    Oct 05, 2011 4:07 AM GMT
    Anywhere that's private property it can be banned.
    Anywhere that others can be forced to inhale it are banned if it's gov't property. Employers need to do this as well to protect their employees and customers.

    It's not infringing on anyone's rights. Save that for serious social injustice. It's a thing people aren't allowed to do, along with littering, causing a disturbance, nudity, indecent behaviour, drugs, or anything else illegal that hurts or offends others in mass.

    One day smoking will be a thing of the past and the world will be only better for it.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:05 AM GMT
    Around here, college campuses and government buildings prohibit smoking a certain distance from the building. Also, the beaches have smoking bans.. which is pretty hard to enforce. But I have noticed less cigarette butts in the sand lately.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:11 AM GMT
    In CA, just about everywhere is smoke-free. I used to think it was infringing on peoples' rights, but with what I know about the tobacco industry now, I'm incredibly proud of my home state for doing it. Also, it's amazing the difference fresh air makes.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:21 AM GMT
    I wish they would ban it outside too. I hate walking out of every single college building and being barraged by 20 smokers
  • FRE0

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    Oct 05, 2011 5:30 AM GMT
    Smoking hit its peak in the late 1950s and early 1960s. At that time, smoking was considered normal and non-smoking was considered abnormal. Those of us who had the good judgment not to smoke were expected to explain why we didn't smoke, as if we owed an explanation.

    When smoking was still socially acceptable, by activities were severely restricted by my sensitivity to air pollution, including tobacco smoke. Bars were out of the question. Eating in restaurants was a problem. On one occasion, when out of town, I decided to eat in a hotel dining room when it was not crowded. I asked the hostess for the non-smoking area, whereupon she stated that there was none. So, I asked her to ask the diners whether they would be smoking so that I could be seated in a smoke-free area; she said that she couldn't do that. I told her that I could and walked around the dining room asking, "Ma'am, will you be smoking?" and, "Sir, will you be smoking?" The hostess was extremely embarrassed, but I found an area that would remain smoke free.

    I favor banning smoking in all areas where those of us who want to avoid it will never encounter it or even see it or the resulting litter. We are winning the battle against smoking, but unless we keep up the pressure, we could end up losing.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:48 AM GMT
    The apartment complex I'm moving into tomorrow is tobacco-free.
    Only allowed 25ft past the main entry doors.

    The apartment I just vacated had an annoying feature. My neighbors would sit on their balcony and chain-smoke till '3am. Problem is their balcony is less than 10ft from my bedroom window. We don't have central A/C less than half a mile from the sound in north Seattle WA.

    Would it have killed them to not have their friends over on a Thursday night for a big discussion and smoke a few hours before I had to go to work?

    New place: no balconies? I will enjoy this.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:58 AM GMT
    congrats on the new place.

    Landlords hate it because they have to clean the carpets and paint the walls, and there's a risk of fire. The cigarette butts while are littered on the ground decrease curb appeal.

    The places that say "no smoking 20ft from entrance" always end up with smokers desperate for their fix in the rain and snow standing flat against the doorway, fuck the rules, fuck everyone else. Mention the rule to them and they get belligerent.
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    Oct 05, 2011 6:01 AM GMT
    It has been pointed out that my original post seems like a rant, not my intention, merely expressing my opinion (yes, it does go against the dominant ideology but I'm still allowed to hold it), still I'll try this a different way. Firstly I agree smoking has no place indoors in spaces where the general public are going to be exposed to it in an enclosed space. What I disagree with is banning smoking outdoors in the public sphere (smoke disperses almost instantly in open spaces).

    My point in my original post (see below its since been quoted) was that once you go there, the issue becomes slippery- its suddenly a much smaller leap to ban alcohol consumption and then to go from there banning anything else that is deemed "socially unacceptable" behaviour.

    See here's the thing, I hate being around drunks- but do I walk up to anyone who is legally drinking (of age and in bars, clubs or private property) and tell them it bothers me and they must cease and desist at once. Of course not, I just don't go regularly to bars or clubs, and avoid people who seem wasted when I'm at house parties.

    I get headaches when someone smokes a joint around me and find the smell of weed sickening, do I go over and have a cry to them demanding that they put it out at once, nope, I walk away and find a place away from it.

    It's called personal accountability and responsibility, if I find something intolerable I don't try to change the behavior of the people around me (because I understand they have the right to do to themselves whatever the hell they like) I actually solve the problem by removing myself from the "offensive" situation.

    I'm sorry but I can't help finding it strange that others are seemingly incapable of doing the same.





  • FRE0

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    Oct 06, 2011 8:14 PM GMT
    Aza86 saidyes, the world would be a better place without tobacco, for starters everyone would live forever because cancer is only caused by cigarettes and old people only ever die from cancer, pollution would cease to be a problem because smokers are the only people in the world who litter and are the sole source of smoke billowing into the atmosphere. And finally once the last cigarette is extinguished then we can begin the campaigns against alcohol, obesity, sexual promiscuity, non-religious people and gays and maybe round all the "sinners" up and put them in a chamber of some kind? that emits a gas of some sort?

    Yeah some people really need to research some history, human history proves that once a government/controlling body of any description for that matter finds that it can take away the rights of some, more laws will come into effect to combat other "social maladies and illnesses" and eventually the price you pay for doing what you want to do and being who you want to be is, prison or death.

    Don't believe me? yeah, maybe I'm wrong, but we'll wait and see...


    Actually, unrestricted smoking takes away the right of non-smokers to breathe clean air. Granted that smoking is not the only source of air pollution, but when smoking was still socially acceptable and not restricted, it was very difficult to avoid breathing air poisoned by tobacco smoke. The fact that there are other sources of pollution in no way justifies adding an additional source of pollution, i.e., tobacco smoke.

    So, restricting smoking makes it much easier for me to exercise my right to breathe clean air. It has greatly improved the quality of my life.
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    Oct 06, 2011 8:58 PM GMT
    Aza86 saidyes, the world would be a better place without tobacco, for starters everyone would live forever because cancer is only caused by cigarettes and old people only ever die from cancer, pollution would cease to be a problem because smokers are the only people in the world who litter and are the sole source of smoke billowing into the atmosphere. And finally once the last cigarette is extinguished then we can begin the campaigns against alcohol, obesity, sexual promiscuity, non-religious people and gays and maybe round all the "sinners" up and put them in a chamber of some kind? that emits a gas of some sort?

    Yeah some people really need to research some history, human history proves that once a government/controlling body of any description for that matter finds that it can take away the rights of some, more laws will come into effect to combat other "social maladies and illnesses" and eventually the price you pay for doing what you want to do and being who you want to be is, prison or death.

    Don't believe me? yeah, maybe I'm wrong, but we'll wait and see...


    I don't know who you are arguing/trying to convince/ranting to but it sure wasn't in response to anything I said!
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Oct 07, 2011 10:28 AM GMT
    There is a petition drive underway here in Orange County, Florida to ban outdoor smoking. I suppose the idea is to have it on the ballot for the primaries next year.
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    Oct 07, 2011 10:31 AM GMT
    wow. they should do that in the uk, and especially in continental europe. its really annoying when you can go into a club and light up no questions asked.