The Healthiest Diet on the Planet!

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    Oct 05, 2011 12:23 PM GMT
    I'm toying with the idea of starting the paleo diet, but here's the thing....

    First, Macrobiotics was supposed to be the healthiest diet on the planet. Then it was Atkins (never bought into that one.) Then the raw diet, which made me feel fantastic but I couldn't deal with the cravings. I've also been a vegetarian, a vegan and a pescetarian. But I get distracted by different diets that promise better results, while at the same time bash the diet I'm currently using. And now this paleo diet is beginning to suck me in. And to make matters worse is all these diets seem to have supporting evidence for their mode of eating and yet they all contradict each other! UGGHHHH!! I really want to find the healthiest diet out there, but I'm so confused.

    So what do you think is the healthiest diet out there. Please don't post unless you've used this diet for a long period of time and can really vouch for it's successfulness.
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:35 PM GMT
    I love paleo. One of the biggest mistakes people make on it, though, is focusing too much on fatty meats and not enough on fresh, raw vegetables. You need to try a lot of diets to see which works best for your lifestyle and your body. I found that doing 80% paleo works for me.
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:44 PM GMT
    bostonxfit saidI love paleo. One of the biggest mistakes people make on it, though, is focusing too much on fatty meats and not enough on fresh, raw vegetables. You need to try a lot of diets to see which works best for your lifestyle and your body. I found that doing 80% paleo works for me.
    This sounds good. I tried going paleo 100% before, and honestly- I wound up eating about 3 plates filled with vegetables and lean meat. I felt great, but holy crap they must have grown an entire garden just to fill me in one sitting. o_O
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:58 PM GMT
    If your aim is to be healthy, you might want to watch the documentary Forks Over Knives
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    Oct 05, 2011 12:58 PM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos said
    bostonxfit saidI love paleo. One of the biggest mistakes people make on it, though, is focusing too much on fatty meats and not enough on fresh, raw vegetables. You need to try a lot of diets to see which works best for your lifestyle and your body. I found that doing 80% paleo works for me.
    This sounds good. I tried going paleo 100% before, and honestly- I wound up eating about 3 plates filled with vegetables and lean meat. I felt great, but holy crap they must have grown an entire garden just to fill me in one sitting. o_O


    That's the thing about paleo. I went 100% paleo for about a month and I ate three big meals and three snacks every day. And it was all grass-fed meats, fresh vegetables, nuts and some fruits. I spent so much damn money trying to do it that it was too difficult to keep up.

    By the way, don't knock the Atkins diet. Much of the hype around it is actually based on the first phase of the diet. It's also similar to the TNT diet, published in a book by Men's Health.
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    Oct 05, 2011 1:04 PM GMT
    I've been doing the Paleo for over a year now, and love it.
    However, I do "cheat" at least once a week...sometimes more...with no adverse effects.
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    Oct 05, 2011 1:42 PM GMT
    Coffee and beer diet. Yum!
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    Oct 05, 2011 1:48 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidI'm toying with the idea of starting the paleo diet, but here's the thing....
    [...] But I get distracted by different diets that promise better results, while at the same time bash the diet I'm currently using. And now this paleo diet is beginning to suck me in. And to make matters worse is all these diets seem to have supporting evidence for their mode of eating and yet they all contradict each other! UGGHHHH!! I really want to find the healthiest diet out there, but I'm so confused.

    So what do you think is the healthiest diet out there. Please don't post unless you've used this diet for a long period of time and can really vouch for it's successfulness.


    I guess this was meant as a rhetorical thread.
    I was thinking about this stuff recently too and came up (again) with the same opinion.
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    Oct 05, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    I think I'm almost three years into eating paleo and I like it a lot. I've messed around with my fat and carb levels a bunch to find what works for me. I eat a lot more fat than 40/30/30 and less carbs. I've tried to up my good carb intake over the years but find I eat too much sugary foods when I do and that puts fat on me.

    The biggest drawback is the cost. Paleo winds up being pretty expensive though I don't do grass fed meats.
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    Oct 05, 2011 4:29 PM GMT
    Paleo fixes everything. It's seems so self evident now that we should eat food our body co evolved with.

    The low fat diet has now be verified as scientific fraud that captivated the US for 40 years but made us fat and made exercise machine makers rich.

    Historically we veered away from a natural diet because it's a rich man's diet. ;fresh meat, veggies, oil, fruit was kings food. Dead preserved "food" ( pasta , bread) was the food for the masses.

    Paleo will burn your bad fat that exercise can't get at and will build muscle.
    Bottom-line fitness is more about how you eat than exercise.
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    Oct 05, 2011 4:53 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidPaleo fixes everything. It's seems so self evident now that we should eat food our body co evolved with.

    The low fat diet has now be verified as scientific fraud that captivated the US for 40 years but made us fat and made exercise machine makers rich.

    Historically we veered away from a natural diet because it's a rich man's diet. ;fresh meat, veggies, oil, fruit was kings food. Dead preserved "food" ( pasta , bread) was the food for the masses.

    Paleo will burn your bad fat that exercise can't get at and will build muscle.
    Bottom-line fitness is more about how you eat than exercise.


    I've read all that.
    What's your (and others') personal experience with changes in your LHL/"bad cholesterol" as a result in your Paleo Diet?
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    Oct 05, 2011 4:54 PM GMT
    I've finally taken the plunge into doing paleo hardcore, and for me the key is plenty of healthy fat. It really helps round out the appetite so that I don't have to eat massive quantities of vegetables at every meal (though I always have a good serving of vegetables), and also helps me with building lean muscle. When I am eating tons of avocado, almond butter and coconut milk, I really don't crave the sugar and dairy I'm missing. I am doing it strict for a while, and then I will modify it, once it feels like I can really hear what my body wants to be eating. Lost .5" off my stomach in two weeks.
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    Oct 05, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    I would think that with people being so vastly different and desired results from dieting being different that you will eventually drive yourself crazy trying to find the perfect diet... much less a diet that is right for you.

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    Oct 05, 2011 4:59 PM GMT
    Slyblue saidIf your aim is to be healthy, you might want to watch the documentary Forks Over Knives


    Before you buy into that propaganda you might want to read this thorough analysis of the so-called "science" behind it:

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:11 PM GMT
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    Alpha13 saidPaleo fixes everything. It's seems so self evident now that we should eat food our body co evolved with.

    The low fat diet has now be verified as scientific fraud that captivated the US for 40 years but made us fat and made exercise machine makers rich.

    Historically we veered away from a natural diet because it's a rich man's diet. ;fresh meat, veggies, oil, fruit was kings food. Dead preserved "food" ( pasta , bread) was the food for the masses.

    Paleo will burn your bad fat that exercise can't get at and will build muscle.
    Bottom-line fitness is more about how you eat than exercise.


    I've read all that.
    What's your (and others') personal experience with changes in your LHL/"bad cholesterol" as a result in your Paleo Diet?





    The whole cholesterol thing was a huge pseudo science fraud. Coconut oil is new super food.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:33 PM GMT
    I've been on Paleo (to varying degrees) for the last year and a half. The important thing is to adjust the diet to your specific athletic needs. I got pretty damn lean, but I found myself wanting to bulk up a bit, so I added in a bit more peri-workout carbs.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    Alpine-Adriatic
    Not a diet, per se,
    but more a cuisine.
    Not so much a body
    thing, but a soul thing.
    Not at all a programme,
    more of an intuitive 'roots'
    Eat what you are approach.
    For me, it all comes down to:
    A lean lacto-ovo cucina povere
    weekdays, meatier fare weekends,
    and, on feast days, a little of everything
    and anything is prescribed Gemutlichkeit.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    paradox said
    Before you buy into that propaganda you might want to read this thorough analysis of the so-called "science" behind it:

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/


    Hah. Found that article when I was researching the validity of Forks Over Knives film. It's very loooooooong (seriously, took me an hour to read it) but it is enough to cast doubt on the idea that "plants good, animals bad" can solve all the world's health problems.

    The problem is that we humans are so complex, and there are so many factors that correlation no longer can be a probably link to health. There must be a direct causation with a mechanism and pathway to the effect from the cause in order for people to declare anything.

    Of course the China Study, Campbell, and others have had their research spun into a completely irrational direction. For example, monkeys fed a low protein diet did not develop liver tumors - they just died prematurely of hepatocellular failure, while the high protein monkeys did develop hepatocellular carcinomas, but lived.

    Learning about food is hard. The only things I've learned after reading the research about the Atkins, Okinawan, South Beach, Paleo, Primal Blueprint, Raw food, Vegan, Flexitarian, Localvore, and various other diets has been this:

    1) Eat everything in moderation. Have a good variety in your diet
    2) Don't eat processed foods. Cook as much as you can from scratch
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    Oct 05, 2011 6:31 PM GMT
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    Alpha13 saidPaleo fixes everything. It's seems so self evident now that we should eat food our body co evolved with.

    The low fat diet has now be verified as scientific fraud that captivated the US for 40 years but made us fat and made exercise machine makers rich.

    Historically we veered away from a natural diet because it's a rich man's diet. ;fresh meat, veggies, oil, fruit was kings food. Dead preserved "food" ( pasta , bread) was the food for the masses.

    Paleo will burn your bad fat that exercise can't get at and will build muscle.
    Bottom-line fitness is more about how you eat than exercise.


    I've read all that.
    What's your (and others') personal experience with changes in your LHL/"bad cholesterol" as a result in your Paleo Diet?


    The whole cholesterol thing was a huge pseudo science fraud. Coconut oil is new super food.


    Where does arterial plaque come from (the stuff that causes heart attacks)?
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    Oct 05, 2011 6:38 PM GMT
    The "Eat Whatever The Hell I Want As Long As It's In Moderation" Diet.

    I hope that helps.
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    Oct 05, 2011 6:39 PM GMT
    BuddyinNYC saidWhere does arterial plaque come from (the stuff that causes heart attacks)?


    Inflammation. Small dense, pattern B LDL driven by excess dietary carbohydrate. LDL carrying highly peroxidizable polyunsaturated fatty acids due to industrial polyunsaturated seed oils (yeah, the stuff that is supposedly oh-so-fucking-heart-healthy.)
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    Oct 05, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
    That's pretty much what I've learned as well. I'll also add that it doesn't hurt to monitor your nutritional intake for a while to understand what you are actually getting from foods and the impact it has on your body.


    dancedancekj said
    Learning about food is hard. The only things I've learned after reading the research about the Atkins, Okinawan, South Beach, Paleo, Primal Blueprint, Raw food, Vegan, Flexitarian, Localvore, and various other diets has been this:

    1) Eat everything in moderation. Have a good variety in your diet
    2) Don't eat processed foods. Cook as much as you can from scratch