Florida's Pinellas County votes to stop fluoridating water

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    Oct 06, 2011 1:23 PM GMT
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    The Tea Party nuts even showed up to hijack the issue to spew their far-right wacked out bullshit.

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    A decision this week by a Florida county commission to stop adding fluoride to its public drinking water has uncorked a decades-old debate on the benefits and potential risks of fluoride despite widespread scientific support of the practice.

    Pinellas County commissioners voted 4-3 Tuesday to cease putting fluoride into their water, making it the largest urban county in Florida to discontinue the practice. The move will halt fluoride-injected water from reaching about 700,000 residents but does not include the city of St. Petersburg and three other cities, says Commissioner Ken Welch, who voted to keep fluoride.

    Commissioner Norm Roche voted to end the fluoride treatment, saying it was a "social sort of program" the county should avoid, the St. PetersburgTimes reported.

    Opponents such as the Fluoride Action Network say the fluoride could harm children and should not be administered by the government. "Fluoride is a toxic substance," said Tea Party activist Tony Caso, the Times reported. "This is all part of an agenda that's being pushed forth by the so-called globalists in our government … to keep the people stupid so they don't realize what's going on."

    Fluoride advocates, including the American Dental Association, insist the practice reduces cavities, especially among poorer residents who can't afford dental care.

    Welch says a few people at Tuesday's meeting identifying themselves as Tea Party activists "hijacked" the issue, calling the practice a government attempt to "dumb down" residents and likening it to Soviet and Nazi practices. The ban was passed despite testimony of more than a dozen dentists and others advocating the practice, he says. "We're going to pay a price for this for generations to come," Welch says.

    Judson Phillips, a founder of the Tea Party Nation, says the issue has not been widely discussed at the national level and he doesn't know the activists who pushed for the ban in Florida. "It's not a hot-button Tea Party issue," he says.

    Cities across the USA have been adding fluoride to their water since the 1940s as a way to prevent tooth decay and promote oral health, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. When the count was last taken in 2008, more than 195 million residents, or 72% of the U.S. population then, had access to optimally fluoridated water, according to the CDC.

    The CDC named adding fluoride to public water one of the "Ten Great Public Health Achievements" of the 20th century.

    Critics say fluoride can harm the enamel on the teeth of young children. More than 200 communities have stopped adding fluoride to water supplies in the past 10 years, according to a count by the Fluoride Action Network. During the same period, however, more than 300 communities began adding fluoride, says Edmond Hewlett, a professor at UCLA's School of Dentistry and an American Dental Association spokesman.

    Fluoride "reduces the risk of getting cavities. It's highly available to everyone who drinks that water," Hewlett says. "It benefits everyone."



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    Oct 06, 2011 2:07 PM GMT
    I thought the fluoridation war ended nearly 50 years ago with the decline of the radical-right John Birch Society. Their claim back then was that fluoridation was a Communist conspiracy to poison us.

    "...a few people at Tuesday's meeting identifying themselves as Tea Party activists "hijacked" the issue, calling the practice a government attempt to "dumb down" residents and likening it to Soviet and Nazi practices."

    Great, now Teabaggers have freshened the argument to include Nazis. Most Americans at the time knew that John Birchers were nut-jobs, and by reviving their discredited arguments from the Eisenhower era the Baggers make themselves look even more ridiculous & demented than they already do.

    Too bad it's the innocent kids who will suffer the most by getting the cavities in their teeth, to match the holes in the heads of the Teabaggers. icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 06, 2011 4:27 PM GMT
    Well, the upside is I guess the dentists will be getting more business in the years to come.

    It is sad though, because the ones that are going to be suffering are most likely kids. They don't choose what kind of parents they have, and if their parents do not endorse good oral hygiene, or cannot provide oral hygiene supplies, then a lot of times the only fluoride source is the water.
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    dancedancekj saidWell, the upside is I guess the dentists will be getting more business in the years to come.

    It is sad though, because the ones that are going to be suffering are most likely kids. They don't choose what kind of parents they have, and if their parents do not endorse good oral hygiene, or cannot provide oral hygiene supplies, then a lot of times the only fluoride source is the water.

    I agree. Now for myself I always use a toothpaste containing fluoride, as most dental products have in the US. So if that stuff is poison, or a "globalist" plot of some sort, then I guess we're all slitting our own throats. I wonder what the Teabaggers brush their own teeth with -- baking soda? They must spend lots of time with their dentists.

    But for little kids, who are the most unreliable of teeth brushers, especially when in difficult economic circumstances, I guess their teeth can rot. With medical consequences that will eventually be felt by the rest of us.

    As my late Mother used to say, penny wise and pound foolish. And even more shameful if this Teabagger vendetta against fluoridation is ideologically driven, with no concern for either medical science nor economics.
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    Oct 06, 2011 7:53 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Too bad it's the innocent kids who will suffer the most by getting the cavities in their teeth, to match the holes in the heads of the Teabaggers. icon_razz.gif



    Now c'mon Arty, everybody knows those evil teabaggers HATE kids, puppies and anyone with good teeth. Doesn't tea stain your teeth anyway? Gotta love those Flouridians. What's next -- will those damn Teabaggers try to outlaw floss? icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 06, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidOur Commanding Officers have decided that this flouride issue will be a big vote getter for the Republican party in the upcoming November 2012 elections.



    Sounds like a perfectly viable platform to me. The Republicans are, if anything, absolutely committed to the fight against tooth enamel and decay.
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    Oct 06, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Art_Deco said
    Too bad it's the innocent kids who will suffer the most by getting the cavities in their teeth, to match the holes in the heads of the Teabaggers. icon_razz.gif

    Now c'mon Arty, everybody knows those evil teabaggers HATE kids, puppies and anyone with good teeth. Doesn't tea stain your teeth anyway? Gotta love those Flouridians. What's next -- will those damn Teabaggers try to outlaw floss? icon_lol.gif

    Most amusing defense of these Teabaggers. I haven't heard you say that Teabaggers opposing water fluoridation is wrong. Why am I not surprised?

    And BTW, I'm not "Arty." I know, you like your little childish digs & insults. By all means continue, and undermine yourself more than me. I suppose I could invent some offensive variant on your own screen name, but that would be stooping to your level.

    When you grow up I might offer you some serious adult attention. icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 06, 2011 9:08 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Art_Deco said
    Too bad it's the innocent kids who will suffer the most by getting the cavities in their teeth, to match the holes in the heads of the Teabaggers. icon_razz.gif

    Now c'mon Arty, everybody knows those evil teabaggers HATE kids, puppies and anyone with good teeth. Doesn't tea stain your teeth anyway? Gotta love those Flouridians. What's next -- will those damn Teabaggers try to outlaw floss? icon_lol.gif

    Most amusing defense of these Teabaggers. I haven't heard you say that Teabaggers opposing water fluoridation is wrong. Why am I not surprised?

    And BTW, I'm not "Arty." I know, you like your little childish digs & insults. By all means continue, and undermine yourself more than me. I suppose I could invent some offensive variant on your own screen name, but that would be stooping to your level.

    When you grow up I might offer you some serious adult attention. icon_razz.gif

    Mr. Curious (to maintain dignity as hurt feelings are in style),

    I hate to see you starved of "serious adult attention", so I can fit a couple of minutes into my schedule. BTW Central Command authorizes us to parrot the statement that opposing fluoridation is wrong, so that those super-perceptive sleuths won't suspect anything. You should also be aware that preparation of the anti-floss campaign is in its final stages. We will be launching a blistering campaign against Johnson & Johnson, the major manufacturer and a significant contributor to the DNC. We will "uncover" evidence that the floss has been recycled from cow guts. Abolishing fluoride and floss will greatly contribute to tooth decay and loss of teeth. Our sponsors include the American Dental Association and the major denture manufacturers, as well as GlaxoSmithKline, manufacturers of Poligrip and Fixodent, but don't tell anyone.
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    Oct 06, 2011 9:16 PM GMT
    dancedancekj said
    It is sad though, because the ones that are going to be suffering are most likely kids. They don't choose what kind of parents they have, and if their parents do not endorse good oral hygiene, or cannot provide oral hygiene supplies, then a lot of times the only fluoride source is the water.


    Aren't there warnings on most toothpastes about not using them in kids under a certain age?

    And when was the last time a kid drank water? It's either juice or soft drinks. icon_mad.gif
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    socalfitness saidI hate to see you starved of "serious adult attention", so I can fit a couple of minutes into my schedule. BTW Central Command authorizes us to parrot the statement that opposing fluoridation is wrong, so that those super-perceptive sleuths won't suspect anything. You should also be aware that preparation of the anti-floss campaign is in its final stages. We will be launching a blistering campaign against Johnson & Johnson, the major manufacturer and a significant contributor to the DNC. We will "uncover" evidence that the floss has been recycled from cow guts. Abolishing fluoride and floss will greatly contribute to tooth decay and loss of teeth. Our sponsors include the American Dental Association and the major denture manufacturers, as well as GlaxoSmithKline, manufacturers of Poligrip and Fixodent, but don't tell anyone.

    Most amusing. But you still haven't said anything negative about the Teabagger nut jobs who managed to deny children fluoridated water in that Florida county. Apparently you approve. If not, please say so, instead of your usual and predictable personal & abusive attacks on me.
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    Oct 06, 2011 9:32 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said

    Aren't there warnings on most toothpastes about not using them in kids under a certain age?

    And when was the last time a kid drank water? It's either juice or soft drinks. icon_mad.gif


    The warnings are for kids under a certain age because they can't spit out the toothpaste after the brushing is done - they swallow it. This warning is just to reduce the risk of hyperfluorotic enamel in developing teeth.

    And you are correct about kids drinking juice or soft drinks (parents who give their kid water probably aren't in the population that needs the systemic fluoride necessarily)
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    Oct 06, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    dancedancekj said
    It is sad though, because the ones that are going to be suffering are most likely kids. They don't choose what kind of parents they have, and if their parents do not endorse good oral hygiene, or cannot provide oral hygiene supplies, then a lot of times the only fluoride source is the water.


    Aren't there warnings on most toothpastes about not using them in kids under a certain age?

    And when was the last time a kid drank water? It's either juice or soft drinks. icon_mad.gif


    I agree, if many poor water into a brita filter or buy water from a bottle what is the point.

    In NYC the water is excellent, and one of the things I missed the most. You could drink it right from the tap.

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    socalfitness saidI hate to see you starved of "serious adult attention", so I can fit a couple of minutes into my schedule. BTW Central Command authorizes us to parrot the statement that opposing fluoridation is wrong, so that those super-perceptive sleuths won't suspect anything. You should also be aware that preparation of the anti-floss campaign is in its final stages. We will be launching a blistering campaign against Johnson & Johnson, the major manufacturer and a significant contributor to the DNC. We will "uncover" evidence that the floss has been recycled from cow guts. Abolishing fluoride and floss will greatly contribute to tooth decay and loss of teeth. Our sponsors include the American Dental Association and the major denture manufacturers, as well as GlaxoSmithKline, manufacturers of Poligrip and Fixodent, but don't tell anyone.

    Most amusing. But you still haven't said anything negative about the Teabagger nut jobs who managed to deny children fluoridated water in that Florida county. Apparently you approve. If not, please say so, instead of your usual and predictable personal & abusive attacks on me.

    1. I support fluoridated water for children in all counties in Florida.
    2. My message poked fun at your reaction, but there was nothing "personal & abusive".
    3. I understand Costco is having a sale on "Sense of Humor Certificates".
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    Oct 06, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
    CJAZ - fantastic work. You can't say Central Command Graphics Team doesn't provide high quality art on a moment's notice.
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