Michael Walsh: “Fast and Furious” Scandal Has Justice Department in Full Panic.

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    Oct 06, 2011 1:52 PM GMT
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/furious_mess_has_justice_in_full_WYXAPQoFlBaBVer5Q47oiO

    So now the Fast and Furious affair has reached Stage 2 of the classic Washington scandal: House Republicans have called for a special counsel to investigate Attorney General Eric Holder himself for possible perjury.

    Justice Department documents indicate that Holder knew of the operation way back in July 2010 -- far earlier than the “in the last few weeks” that he told congressional investigators under oath last May.

    Memos from Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer and others to Holder clearly show the scope, if not the nature, of the disastrous project: “This investigation, initiated in September 2009 . . . involves . . . straw purchasers [who] are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug cartels.”

    That’s the crux of the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ infamous “gunwalking” program, allegedly designed to track illegal gun sales to Mexican drug gangs by turning a blind eye toward, and possibly facilitating, arms sales in Arizona and elsewhere. The death toll so far is more than 200.

    The heavily redacted memos don’t explicitly implicate ATF and other federal agencies in an illegal scheme, as ATF whistleblowers have alleged. But if there’s a coverup going on, why would they?

    And coverup there seems to be. On top of stonewalling Rep. Darrell Issa’s House investigation of the mess, Justice has floated a series of contradictory excuses:

    * There was no such program.

    * Even if there weres, Holder never knew about it.

    * Even if he should have known about it, he might not have read Breuer’s memos.

    * Even if he read Breuer’s memos, he misunderstood the simple question: “When did you first know about the program, officially, I believe, called Fast and Furious?”
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    Oct 06, 2011 11:30 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidShhhhhh.... icon_wink.gif


    It's incredible that despite the outflow of evidence there seems to be such willing disinterest in a scandal that has literally resulted in the deaths of over 80.
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    Oct 06, 2011 11:45 PM GMT
    Most are waiting for the investigation to be completed before putting feet in mouth.

    Facts are such a beautiful thing. And yes, this whole "fast and furious' thing is criminal regardless of which person originated it and regardless of what administration it started under.
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    Oct 06, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidMost are waiting for the investigation to be completed before putting feet in mouth.

    Facts are such a beautiful thing. And yes, this whole "fast and furious' thing is criminal regardless of which person originated it and regardless of what administration it started under.


    If this were started prior to the Obama Administration, why was it not shut down especially given how partisan the DoJ has become under Obama? Why was it allowed to continue?

    Yes, the facts can be a beautiful and frightening thing.
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    Oct 07, 2011 12:07 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidMost are waiting for the investigation to be completed before putting feet in mouth.

    Facts are such a beautiful thing. And yes, this whole "fast and furious' thing is criminal regardless of which person originated it and regardless of what administration it started under.


    If this were started prior to the Obama Administration, why was it not shut down especially given how partisan the DoJ has become under Obama? Why was it allowed to continue?

    Yes, the facts can be a beautiful and frightening thing.
    The answer will be discovered. The investigation is NOT finished, nor close to. It just started. Hold your damned horses.
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    Oct 07, 2011 12:11 AM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark saidMost are waiting for the investigation to be completed before putting feet in mouth.

    Facts are such a beautiful thing. And yes, this whole "fast and furious' thing is criminal regardless of which person originated it and regardless of what administration it started under.


    If this were started prior to the Obama Administration, why was it not shut down especially given how partisan the DoJ has become under Obama? Why was it allowed to continue?

    Yes, the facts can be a beautiful and frightening thing.
    The answer will be discovered. The investigation is NOT finished, nor close to. It just started. Hold your damned horses.


    If the Administration were more transparent, then I might be more sypathetic - which is particularly ironic given how Obama ran under a campaign of being more transparent and open than Bush.
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    Oct 07, 2011 12:20 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark saidMost are waiting for the investigation to be completed before putting feet in mouth.

    Facts are such a beautiful thing. And yes, this whole "fast and furious' thing is criminal regardless of which person originated it and regardless of what administration it started under.


    If this were started prior to the Obama Administration, why was it not shut down especially given how partisan the DoJ has become under Obama? Why was it allowed to continue?

    Yes, the facts can be a beautiful and frightening thing.
    The answer will be discovered. The investigation is NOT finished, nor close to. It just started. Hold your damned horses.


    If the Administration were more transparent, then I might be more sypathetic - which is particularly ironic given how Obama ran under a campaign of being more transparent and open than Bush.
    I have never seen a detective be 'transparent' before...

    What else do you want 'transparent'? National Intelligence information? National law enforcement tactics? Military strategy? You sure want to live in a fantasy world. I admit, it would be nice, but if the world was that transparent, it would cease to exist. Nothing would move.
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    Oct 07, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark saidMost are waiting for the investigation to be completed before putting feet in mouth.

    Facts are such a beautiful thing. And yes, this whole "fast and furious' thing is criminal regardless of which person originated it and regardless of what administration it started under.


    If this were started prior to the Obama Administration, why was it not shut down especially given how partisan the DoJ has become under Obama? Why was it allowed to continue?

    Yes, the facts can be a beautiful and frightening thing.
    The answer will be discovered. The investigation is NOT finished, nor close to. It just started. Hold your damned horses.


    If the Administration were more transparent, then I might be more sypathetic - which is particularly ironic given how Obama ran under a campaign of being more transparent and open than Bush.
    I have never seen a detective be 'transparent' before...

    What else do you want 'transparent'? National Intelligence information? National law enforcement tactics? Military strategy? You sure want to live in a fantasy world. I admit, it would be nice, but if the world was that transparent, it would cease to exist. Nothing would move.


    Look at the information they chose to release and the timing of the release. Why did they wait?
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    Oct 07, 2011 12:26 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark saidMost are waiting for the investigation to be completed before putting feet in mouth.

    Facts are such a beautiful thing. And yes, this whole "fast and furious' thing is criminal regardless of which person originated it and regardless of what administration it started under.


    If this were started prior to the Obama Administration, why was it not shut down especially given how partisan the DoJ has become under Obama? Why was it allowed to continue?

    Yes, the facts can be a beautiful and frightening thing.
    The answer will be discovered. The investigation is NOT finished, nor close to. It just started. Hold your damned horses.


    If the Administration were more transparent, then I might be more sypathetic - which is particularly ironic given how Obama ran under a campaign of being more transparent and open than Bush.
    I have never seen a detective be 'transparent' before...

    What else do you want 'transparent'? National Intelligence information? National law enforcement tactics? Military strategy? You sure want to live in a fantasy world. I admit, it would be nice, but if the world was that transparent, it would cease to exist. Nothing would move.


    Look at the information they chose to release and the timing of the release. Why did they wait?
    We dont know what else is contained in the 'information' yet.. we dont know (and probably wont due to redaction) who and what else is collaterally involved.