Who was the very first gay man in recorded history ?

  • masculumpedes

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    Oct 08, 2011 4:25 PM GMT
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    9660 to 5000 BC
    Mesolithic rock art in Sicily depicts phallic male figures in pairs that have been interpreted variously, including as depictions of homosexual intercourse.

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    Oct 08, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
    What? How can that be? The earth is only 6000 years old!
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    Oct 08, 2011 4:51 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidWhat? How can that be? The earth is only 6000 years old!


    Because there was another "earth" existing before this one...icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 08, 2011 5:08 PM GMT
    Narcissus maybe?
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    Oct 08, 2011 6:24 PM GMT
    This one ancient Egyptian guy with hieroglyphs of Cleopatra all over his studio apartment on the artistic district of ancient Egypt.
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    Oct 08, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
    malefeet saidWho was the very first gay man in recorded history ?
    Adam. Because Eve wasn't created till he broke up with his bf and needed to reproduce another one.
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    Oct 09, 2011 12:29 AM GMT
    Neither Narcissis nor Adam count as neither are in "recorded history."

    To the OP, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a definitive answer, because homosexuality as we know it today (men exclusively engaged in same sex activity) is a relatively modern concept. It didn't exist as such during the Greek or Roman eras (part of the reason why the original condemnations supposedly against homosexuality actually couldn't have been).

    The only historical homos I know off the top of my head are Oscar Wilde and E.M. Forester, both writers from the 1800s.

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    Oct 09, 2011 12:31 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidWell duh!! ... isn't it obvious .... it was Able from the Hebrew Bible, Cain and Abel.
    He was a gardener, had to to have the perfectly flawless arrangement and was bullied by Cain.


    Actually, Cain was the one who grew plants, Abel was the one who raised livestock.
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    Oct 09, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
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    Oct 09, 2011 1:13 AM GMT
    Alexander the great?
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    Oct 09, 2011 1:15 AM GMT
    ZbmwM5 saidAlexander the great?


    He was Bi.
  • islander24

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    Oct 09, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    There are a lot of Greek vases with homo activities illustrated.
    Maybe just bad publicity created by the Romans, but it looks to me like someone was f...ing someone.
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    Oct 09, 2011 6:11 AM GMT
    1372-1354 BC

    Akhenaten or Amenhotep IV husband of Nefertiti was know to his homosexual relations with guys of the court. Also he was represented in statues like androgyn kinda guy.

    Check this link, gay cave-man in Czech Republic....

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/oldest-gay-man/story?id=13320808
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    Oct 09, 2011 6:12 AM GMT
    Mr. Flintsone.
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    Oct 09, 2011 6:15 AM GMT
    Let's be serious. The Geico caveman had tendencies..
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    Oct 09, 2011 6:17 AM GMT
    Paul Lynde

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    Oct 09, 2011 6:36 AM GMT
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    Oct 09, 2011 5:54 PM GMT
    TheChrisGuy saidMr. Flintsone.


    Fred wasn't gay. The Great Gazoo on the other hand...
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    Oct 10, 2011 7:44 PM GMT
    thenes saidNeither Narcissis nor Adam count as neither are in "recorded history."

    To the OP, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a definitive answer, because homosexuality as we know it today (men exclusively engaged in same sex activity) is a relatively modern concept. It didn't exist as such during the Greek or Roman eras (part of the reason why the original condemnations supposedly against homosexuality actually couldn't have been).



    I agree on both counts. Mythological characters do not constitute "recorded history". So, you can forget about Adam, Cain, Abel, Narcissus, and Gilgamesh (and by the way, the Gilgamesh epic was written a couple thousand years before Ramses I was born). Moreover, none of these characters were ever depicted as having a homosexual encounter.

    And, since bisexuality was so common in ancient times (but clearly the entire population of ancient Greece was not gay), you do have to acknowledge that there's a difference between having a homosexual encounter and being "gay".

    So, the right question to ask may be, "What was the first time in recorded history that being gay was considered different?"

    In the Anabasis, Xenophon of Athens writes about a troop of ten thousand Greek soldiers who are hired as mercenaries by Cyrus of Persia in 401 BC. Xenophon absoultely trashes one of the Greek generals, Menon. Among many other things, he says:

    "... he lived on very intimate terms with Ariaeus (a Persian general), though he was a native, because Ariaeus was very fond of good-looking young men; and he himself, before he grew a beard, kept Tharypas, who was an adult, as a male friend."

    This was clearly intended to be a derogatory statement. So, Menon may have been the first historical figure to be called out as a fag, and Xenophon was the first homophobe.

    Oddly, it was common practice at the time for boys in their teens to accompany the army, to carry gear by day and "be good soldiers" at night. Xenophon seems to have no problem with that, and mentions that there were often fights among soldiers over particularly good-looking boys. His problem with Menon was that the guy had sex with full grown men.

    So, in the Greek world of 401 BC, pedophilia was OK; sleeping with men was not.
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    Oct 10, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
    I found this really interesting when I found out about it years ago!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes


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    It has even been reported that if the were in a fight and got wounded in the back, while dying they would flip over and ask to be stabbed in the the chest. So their bf/partner/lover would not think that they were a coward trying to run away.
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    Oct 10, 2011 8:08 PM GMT
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    Oct 10, 2011 8:30 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidLet's see, the oldest recorded history would be the probably the ancient Sumerian cuneiform writing on clay tablets and the story of Gilgamesh. IDK, I read the story and it seemed to me that Gilgamesh was crushin' on Enkido, so if we are going by the oldest writings known to man, then I'd have to say it was Gilgamesh. Not sure, but I think I read somewhere, that it was thought that Gilgamesh might have been Ramses the first.


    Yup, my vote is for Gilgamesh... or maybe the ancient Irish mythic hero Cuchulainn. But like some of the others have pointed out, while men having sex with men was pretty common in the ancient world, it would be hard for anyone to prove that there was a consciousness of homosexuality (ie a gay culture). The Aztecs and Mayans practiced sodomy pretty extensively, as did the Celts, and probably the Egyptians. We all know that the Greeks and Romans did. But even when men were having sex primarily with men, there was still the societal expectation for them to procreate and expand their families, since that was really the source of one's wealth and security.
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    Oct 10, 2011 8:34 PM GMT
    An interesting story is that there was an English monarch who was famously gay. James (1566-1625) succeeded Elizabeth and was the son of Mary Queen of Scots. This arrangement stopped the feuding between Scotland and England and laid to rest the fight for the rightful heir to the throne. He was the Kind of Scotland at thriteen months old, Mary having been imprisoned by Elizabeth and forced to abdicate.

    When he became King of England upon Elizabeth's death, Sir Walter Raleigh said that "Elizabeth made a very fine King and James will make a very fine Queen". He was openly and widely recognized as a homosexual. His first lover was at 13 years old and he made his BF the Earl of Salisbury. This was widely known.

    He was a fairly popular King. The country had been in such tormoil for decades and when he became King there was no bloodshed or revolution... it was an agreement made between Elizabeth and Mary to ensure peace and he maintained it. But in his later years, his reliance on "male consorts" was so widely known that the people lost some respect for him. He is actually buried between two of his most beloved male lovers.

    BTW, Who can tell me what this English King is MOST famous for.... famous to this day.... ??

    Answer: The Authorized King James Version of the Holy Bible was completed by James in 1611 and is still considered to be THE version of the Bible to many practicing Christians. Including those who say homosexuality is an abomination.


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    Oct 10, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    Nobody?

    This is a good one!! Every gay man should know this fact!!