What FACEBOOK and GOOGLE are Hiding from world.

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    Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM GMT
    Interesting. While I recognize that we do not pay for Facebook and Google, should sites like this give us the ability to disable personalization algorithms?

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    Oct 10, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
    YES! You should be able to turn off this personalization tracking!

    "...This moves us very quickly toward a world in which the internet is showing us what it thinks we want to see, but not necessarily what we need to see.."

    And making us all dumber in the process.
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    Oct 10, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    Agreed.

    StudlyScrewRite said YES! You should be able to turn off this personalization tracking!

    "...This moves us very quickly toward a world in which the internet is showing us what it thinks we want to see, but not necessarily what we need to see.."

    And making us all dumber in the process.
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    Oct 10, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
    Don't use a free service if you don't like what's there.

    You are not paying, you cannot complain. A business should bef ree to run it's website how it wishes, jsut as you don't have to use it if you don't wish.

    And I don't mean this to be harsh, honest, I just think it's a simple solution.
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    Oct 10, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
    mizu5 saidDon't use a free service if you don't like what's there.

    You are not paying, you cannot complain. A business should bef ree to run it's website how it wishes, jsut as you don't have to use it if you don't wish.

    And I don't mean this to be harsh, honest, I just think it's a simple solution.


    Using that kind of excuse for everything, like bad TV (turn off the TV if you don't like it), violent video games (don't play them if you don't like it), and this gets very tiring. Might want to promote companies having integrity and ethics rather than the "take it or leave it" attitude.
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    Oct 10, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
    I don't totally disagree with what you are saying. However this is not a complaint, simply a discussion point.

    There is also nothing wrong with making your wishes known so that a company can choose to incorporate them into the website if they also find it beneficial.

    Things don't change if people don't make their needs known.


    mizu5 saidDon't use a free service if you don't like what's there.

    You are not paying, you cannot complain. A business should bef ree to run it's website how it wishes, jsut as you don't have to use it if you don't wish.

    And I don't mean this to be harsh, honest, I just think it's a simple solution.
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:18 PM GMT
    mizu5 saidDon't use a free service if you don't like what's there.

    You are not paying, you cannot complain. A business should bef ree to run it's website how it wishes, jsut as you don't have to use it if you don't wish.

    And I don't mean this to be harsh, honest, I just think it's a simple solution.


    I AGREE 1000%!!!

    I get so tired of people complaining about things that THEY can either change or not even deal with.

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    Oct 10, 2011 9:23 PM GMT
    I don't think personalization is a very responsible practice, even bordering on unethical. We have the freedom to seek out other sources of news, though. Facebook and Google aren't really limiting us from anything we seek out ourselves.
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    People can still make any sense of their Facebook news feed?
    I've stopped reading mine, lol. It's become such a weird jumble. I'm curious how this latest alteration will increase their profits and ability to increase those profits through more data harvesting when the data seems far more useless than it once was. I've been using Facebook far less, as have others...that isn't good for their business side.
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    mizu5 saidDon't use a free service if you don't like what's there.

    You are not paying, you cannot complain. A business should bef ree to run it's website how it wishes, jsut as you don't have to use it if you don't wish.

    And I don't mean this to be harsh, honest, I just think it's a simple solution.


    Amen, just like the people who complain because they change them all the time.
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
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    mizu5 saidDon't use a free service if you don't like what's there.

    You are not paying, you cannot complain. A business should bef ree to run it's website how it wishes, jsut as you don't have to use it if you don't wish.

    And I don't mean this to be harsh, honest, I just think it's a simple solution.


    Using that kind of excuse for everything, like bad TV (turn off the TV if you don't like it), violent video games (don't play them if you don't like it), and this gets very tiring. Might want to promote companies having integrity and ethics rather than the "take it or leave it" attitude.


    Take it or leave it is at the very core of capitalism.

    I see absolutely no reason why this would be bad; cause what's the alternative? Some government regulator telling me what I can and cannot do/see on the internet, on TV or in games?
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
    That was a really interesting video. Thanks for posting it!

    I think he made some great points... but to be completely honest, I like personalization! When I google something, I appreciate that they show me local results or things that interest me based on my browsing history. If they're going to show me ads on Facebook, I'm glad they're for things I've posted about before and not for completely random things like medication for gout.
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:42 PM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    Using that kind of excuse for everything, like bad TV (turn off the TV if you don't like it), violent video games (don't play them if you don't like it), and this gets very tiring. Might want to promote companies having integrity and ethics rather than the "take it or leave it" attitude.


    The difference being that for the most part, you DO pay for these things. Facebook is free. Not just cheap, but completely free to use unless you opt to use the higher functions in games that other people have made for the site. With TV, you are paying for your subscription unless you have the very basic cable. If you have a problem, you should be able to voice it so that you don't have to deal with it. But that is because you DO pay for it. With Facebook, since they are only making money off of the advertisements that they have, the user really doesn't have any say in how things work. That is why there are so many groups on Facebook for "Get the old Facebook back," and more so, why those groups get ignored for the most part.

    The person who posted not to use it had an extremely valid point, because complaining to the company has absolutely no sway on them. If you are just going to complain about it, but then still use it, they are still making the money off of the advertisements that your page holds. The only way to actually make it so that your voice would be heard would be to stop using it completely, as in deleting your account.

    So really, saying that you shouldn't use it if you don't like it, isn't just an excuse, it is indeed, the truth behind the matter.
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:43 PM GMT
    If you think you're a customer of Google or Facebook, you're wrong. Advertisers are the real customers and Google and Facebook have every right to use content you put on their sites in any way they see fit.
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
    Your welcome. Thanks for the great feedback.

    I agree that personalization is very helpful. I think It would also be nice to have a toggle when your using a search engine, that would allow you to shut off this feature if you would like.

    Not a big deal, just an observation.

    endo saidThat was a really interesting video. Thanks for posting it!

    I think he made some great points... but to be completely honest, I like personalization! When I google something, I appreciate that they show me local results or things that interest me based on my browsing history. If they're going to show me ads on Facebook, I'm glad they're for things I've posted about before and not for completely random things like medication for gout.
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    Oct 10, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
    Good points.

    I'm not sure that personalization is unethical if people are aware it is happening in a free service, and have other options to obtain the information they are looking for.

    kandsk saidI don't think personalization is a very responsible practice, even bordering on unethical. We have the freedom to seek out other sources of news, though. Facebook and Google aren't really limiting us from anything we seek out ourselves.
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    Oct 10, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
    Agreed.

    However, these sites want to retain a user base in order to continue the revenue stream from their clients. While these businesses will not be able to please everyone, they do try to listen for ways to keep the user base happy.

    I certainly will not be "rage quitting" Google or Facebook to protest this aspect of their business model, but I can let them know it's a feature I would be interested in.

    bballfan1108 saidIf you think you're a customer of Google or Facebook, you're wrong. Advertisers are the real customers and Google and Facebook have every right to use content you put on their sites in any way they see fit.
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    Oct 10, 2011 10:39 PM GMT
    Tazo995 said
    Take it or leave it is at the very core of capitalism.

    I see absolutely no reason why this would be bad; cause what's the alternative? Some government regulator telling me what I can and cannot do/see on the internet, on TV or in games?


    It's really not "take it or leave it." Google and Facebook are well aware of the importance of public perception; complaining about a specific feature or aspect of their service - while liking the rest - is likely to make them change their mind.

    As a matter of fact, having worked for one of the largest Internet sites on the planet, I can tell you that Internet companies love feedback. Many things on the Internet are still new, and whoever does them first does them blindly. User feedback, even if it comes in the form of a boycott of sorts, is invaluable.

    On a final note: it's really not that hard to turn off personalization. Just download a browser you use only for that purpose (Opera, for instance), turn off cookies and go into safe/anonymous browsing mode.
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    Oct 10, 2011 10:44 PM GMT
    Remember: You're not the customer. You're the product.
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:24 PM GMT
    bacchus8 saidRemember: You're not the customer. You're the product.
    In that case, FB and Google should be sued for not providing expiration dates.
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    Nov 30, 2011 2:56 AM GMT
    it's Kind Of Scary