Gays in Occupy Wall Street

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    Oct 11, 2011 4:29 PM GMT
    Don't know if anyone else has posted anything about the Occupy Wall Street movement that is spreading, not only across the U.S., but up here in Canada. Will be attending Occupy Vancouver this Sat., Oct. 15. Two Questions: Anyone on Real Jock participated in one of these demonstrations and do you know of any gays group participating?
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    Oct 11, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    LOL this protest is just getting funnier by the day. It's just turned into a "protest against whatever you don't like." I'm gonna go down and protest against ambulances because I can't stand the loud piercing noise they make.
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    Oct 11, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    It has not spread to Atlantic Canada yet. I do not think it will arrive on PEI (which shows no discomfort with the status quo and feels completely powerless and dependent upon their political masters who dole out or with-hold reward with impunity.
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    Oct 11, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    Well what's wrong with Atlantic Canada?
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    Oct 11, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    JB82 saidLOL this protest is just getting funnier by the day. It's just turned into a "protest against whatever you don't like." I'm gonna go down and protest against ambulances because I can't stand the loud piercing noise they make.


    I think that is part of the strategy. By leaving the goals open to individual interpretation they create a larger base. I think everyone agrees that there are a number of problems with corporate america, but agreeing on what they are is a bit tougher.

    Additionally they are now getting a great deal of attention, because people want to understand the specifics of what the group is protesting and looking to achieve. It's like the old Captain Morgan advertisements released to introduce the drink to the market that simply read "The Captain is coming." No one knew what it was, but it intrigued them.

    Alan Grayson provides his own interpretation of what they want which I think is a fairly accurate summary. Ultimately they are looking to reduce, if not eliminate, corporate control of Washington. After living through the collapse of the market, WorldCom, Bernard Maddoff, etc., people want accountability for the actions of corporations.








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    Oct 11, 2011 5:05 PM GMT
    JB82 saidLOL this protest is just getting funnier by the day. It's just turned into a "protest against whatever you don't like." I'm gonna go down and protest against ambulances because I can't stand the loud piercing noise they make.


    I know, it's like just getting totally random.
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:30 PM GMT
    JB82 saidWell what's wrong with Atlantic Canada?


    it varies by province.


    In my province, we have a very rigidly stratified class system which was never broken as it was in Upper Canada in the 1873 Rebellion against what was known as "The Family Compact" - a ruling intermarried oligarchy of political leaders with the leading merchants who ran the colony to serve their business interests.

    That resulted in the 1873 "Farmer's Revolt" and the introduction of a new "Responsible Government." model adopted by Queen Victoria throughout the British Empire.


    But that never really happened on PEI where the ascending middleclass merchantocracy of the 20th instead of joining with the landless to change the order, instead married into the 19th centuryplutocracy, establshing was can be best characterized as a neofeudal order. All of this played out against a defining backdrop of land scarcity, which is effectively modern day tenant farming - where family farms are totally dependent upon a single contract purchaser whose choice of supplier means prosperity or bankruptcy.

    this is a recipe for the need to curry patrons, reward loyalty, and punish disloyalty in a never ending 4 year cycle.
    daring to criticise the few families hat control everything - esp the Irvings can imperil the livelihoods of family who work for Irving Oil - or the Irving owned Cavendish farms (that either own or buy the produce of the entire farming population.

    Whomever does not farm is prhaps then dependent upon the Irving owned fish processing plants; or works for Irving Shipyards in some capacity.

    So there is great fear of rocking the boat here.

    Speaking out can bring retribution in all sorts of ways large and small.


    If it does not hit the parent; it can be taken out on a child cut from AAA hockey because Dad said the wrong thing to the wrong person. When that kid could be the next Sydney Crosby (as every cdn hocky parent hopes) that could harm a person's hockey career possibilities, - meanwhile neither the kid nor the parent would ever know until it the harm is done.


    This is a TINY province. The total population oft he capital city is 30,000; there are only 2,500 registered voters in my district.

    People are sensitive and memories are long (however much one might wish people would just forget our past transgressions ans mistakes - the world just does not work that way - (we taught our kids).


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    Oct 11, 2011 5:31 PM GMT
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    JB82 saidLOL this protest is just getting funnier by the day. It's just turned into a "protest against whatever you don't like." I'm gonna go down and protest against ambulances because I can't stand the loud piercing noise they make.


    I think that is part of the strategy. By leaving the goals open to individual interpretation they create a larger base. I think everyone agrees that there are a number of problems with corporate america, but agreeing on what they are is a bit tougher.

    Additionally they are now getting a great deal of attention, because people want to understand the specifics of what the group is protesting and looking to achieve. It's like the old Captain Morgan advertisements released to introduce the drink to the market that simply read "The Captain is coming." No one knew what it was, but it intrigued them.

    Alan Grayson provides his own interpretation of what they want which I think is a fairly accurate summary. Ultimately they are looking to reduce, if not eliminate, corporate control of Washington. After living through the collapse of the market, WorldCom, Bernard Maddoff, etc., people want accountability for the actions of corporations.










    Great, the occupy wall street movement is basing its PR strategy on an alcoholic beverage.

    Im sorry but a protest without a common goal is a waste of time. And people wonder why some of us roll our eyes at occupy wall street? Its a bunch of jobless losers who have nothing better to do.
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
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    JB82 saidLOL this protest is just getting funnier by the day. It's just turned into a "protest against whatever you don't like." I'm gonna go down and protest against ambulances because I can't stand the loud piercing noise they make.


    I think that is part of the strategy. By leaving the goals open to individual interpretation they create a larger base. I think everyone agrees that there are a number of problems with corporate america, but agreeing on what they are is a bit tougher.

    Additionally they are now getting a great deal of attention, because people want to understand the specifics of what the group is protesting and looking to achieve. It's like the old Captain Morgan advertisements released to introduce the drink to the market that simply read "The Captain is coming." No one knew what it was, but it intrigued them.

    Alan Grayson provides his own interpretation of what they want which I think is a fairly accurate summary. Ultimately they are looking to reduce, if not eliminate, corporate control of Washington. After living through the collapse of the market, WorldCom, Bernard Maddoff, etc., people want accountability for the actions of corporations.










    Saw this clip the other day. Thanks for posting it. Grayson succinctly puts it in perspective (Wrote on my facebook page when I posted the clip the dumb Florida voters didn't reelect Grayson. Wonder how many have lost their homes?...). Every demonstration has its fringe element. If you're looking for a reason not to demonstrate/ be supportive, it's not hard to find one. Some guys on this site need to break out of their bubble
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:46 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    Great, the occupy wall street movement is basing its PR strategy on an alcoholic beverage.

    Im sorry but a protest without a common goal is a waste of time. And people wonder why some of us roll our eyes at occupy wall street? Its a bunch of jobless losers who have nothing better to do.


    It's really no different than any other grass roots movement, including the Tea Party. It's simply a strategy for gaining a support base.

    By the way, there is a common goal in the OWS movement as I mentioned in my previous post, it's simply a goal without a specific road map.

    When the Tea Party first started they simply wanted reduced government spending, less taxes and a reduction of national debt and the budget deficit.

    These are wide reaching goals with no specifics on how to achieve them. This intrigued a lot of people and drew them in.

    However once the movement grew in popularity and obtained a political platform, they honed the message to include specific mechanisms for achieving their goals.

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    Oct 11, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    I just read that Kanye West and Russell Simmons are down there supporting Occupy Wall Street.

    What rhymes with irony?
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    creyente said
    Chainers said
    Great, the occupy wall street movement is basing its PR strategy on an alcoholic beverage.

    Im sorry but a protest without a common goal is a waste of time. And people wonder why some of us roll our eyes at occupy wall street? Its a bunch of jobless losers who have nothing better to do.


    It's really no different than any other grass roots movement, including the Tea Party. It's simply a strategy for gaining a support base.

    When the Tea Party first started they simply wanted reduced government spending, less taxes and a reduction of national debt and the budget deficit.

    These are wide reaching goals with no specifics on how to achieve them. This intrigued a lot of people and drew them in.

    However once the movement grew in popularity and obtained a political platform, they honed the message to include specific mechanisms for achieving their goals.



    No offense but I think the tea party is absolutely ridiculous. And I am ashamed to hear that the liberal democrats are stooping so damn low as to base a crappy movement on the Tea Parties political structure.

    In actuality, people dont want jobs they want something to do. This gives it to them.

    Why dont they join a fucking gym or something.
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
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    creyente said
    JB82 saidLOL this protest is just getting funnier by the day. It's just turned into a "protest against whatever you don't like." I'm gonna go down and protest against ambulances because I can't stand the loud piercing noise they make.


    I think that is part of the strategy. By leaving the goals open to individual interpretation they create a larger base. I think everyone agrees that there are a number of problems with corporate america, but agreeing on what they are is a bit tougher.

    Additionally they are now getting a great deal of attention, because people want to understand the specifics of what the group is protesting and looking to achieve. It's like the old Captain Morgan advertisements released to introduce the drink to the market that simply read "The Captain is coming." No one knew what it was, but it intrigued them.

    Alan Grayson provides his own interpretation of what they want which I think is a fairly accurate summary. Ultimately they are looking to reduce, if not eliminate, corporate control of Washington. After living through the collapse of the market, WorldCom, Bernard Maddoff, etc., people want accountability for the actions of corporations.










    Great, the occupy wall street movement is basing its PR strategy on an alcoholic beverage.

    Im sorry but a protest without a common goal is a waste of time. And people wonder why some of us roll our eyes at occupy wall street? Its a bunch of jobless losers who have nothing better to do.


    Excuse me? I am employed and will be attending the rally on Saturday. Wonder if you would have been with those who pooh-poohed the Civil Rights movement and Pride Parades when they started in the '70's...Just saying.
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    Then you can also apply the same concept to the founding fathers. They had an idea as to what they wanted to accomplish when they revolted against the English.

    The idea was not a complete road map until they movement gained support. I'm sure there were a lot of English people who felt the same way about the colonial revolutionists as you do today about the OWS.


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    creyente said
    Chainers said
    Great, the occupy wall street movement is basing its PR strategy on an alcoholic beverage.

    Im sorry but a protest without a common goal is a waste of time. And people wonder why some of us roll our eyes at occupy wall street? Its a bunch of jobless losers who have nothing better to do.


    It's really no different than any other grass roots movement, including the Tea Party. It's simply a strategy for gaining a support base.

    When the Tea Party first started they simply wanted reduced government spending, less taxes and a reduction of national debt and the budget deficit.

    These are wide reaching goals with no specifics on how to achieve them. This intrigued a lot of people and drew them in.

    However once the movement grew in popularity and obtained a political platform, they honed the message to include specific mechanisms for achieving their goals.



    No offense but I think the tea party is absolutely ridiculous. And I am ashamed to hear that the liberal democrats are stooping so damn low as to base a crappy movement on the Tea Parties political structure.

    In actuality, people dont want jobs they want something to do. This gives it to them.

    Why dont they join a fucking gym or something.
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
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    Chainers said
    creyente said
    JB82 saidLOL this protest is just getting funnier by the day. It's just turned into a "protest against whatever you don't like." I'm gonna go down and protest against ambulances because I can't stand the loud piercing noise they make.


    I think that is part of the strategy. By leaving the goals open to individual interpretation they create a larger base. I think everyone agrees that there are a number of problems with corporate america, but agreeing on what they are is a bit tougher.

    Additionally they are now getting a great deal of attention, because people want to understand the specifics of what the group is protesting and looking to achieve. It's like the old Captain Morgan advertisements released to introduce the drink to the market that simply read "The Captain is coming." No one knew what it was, but it intrigued them.

    Alan Grayson provides his own interpretation of what they want which I think is a fairly accurate summary. Ultimately they are looking to reduce, if not eliminate, corporate control of Washington. After living through the collapse of the market, WorldCom, Bernard Maddoff, etc., people want accountability for the actions of corporations.










    Great, the occupy wall street movement is basing its PR strategy on an alcoholic beverage.

    Im sorry but a protest without a common goal is a waste of time. And people wonder why some of us roll our eyes at occupy wall street? Its a bunch of jobless losers who have nothing better to do.


    Excuse me? I am employed and will be attending the rally on Saturday. Wonder if you would have been with those who pooh-poohed the Civil Rights movement and Pride Parades when they started in the '70's...Just saying.


    Then go to your job and stop wasting time.

    Pooh pooh civil rights movement? Im sorry, Im all for equality based on race, gender, and sexual orientation. I am not for handouts for the poor. Their is a difference, a huge difference actually.
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    Oct 11, 2011 5:54 PM GMT
    yankinbc saidDon't know if anyone else has posted anything about the Occupy Wall Street movement that is spreading, not only across the U.S., but up here in Canada. Will be attending Occupy Vancouver this Sat., Oct. 15. Two Questions: Anyone on Real Jock participated in one of these demonstrations and do you know of any gays group participating?


    Sorry that some my gay brethren on this site are such complacent assholes. I don't know of any specifically gay groups in the Occupy movement, but I know the Occupy Wall Street group listed right-to-marry as one of their grievances. Good luck, comrade.
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:27 PM GMT
    80% of Americans agree with the protestors' goals of taxing the super-rich and preserving Social Security. Even a majority of Republican voters support these goals. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/11/poll-huge-majority-of-americans-support-taxing-the-rich/

    In just a few weeks the movement has managed to change the national dialogue from phony deficit reduction and cutting Social Security to job creation and tax equity.

    This series of protests is big fat bitch slap in the face of our out-of-touch, corrupt, paid-for politicians in BOTH PARTIES, and is long overdue.

    Now even the Republican front-runner has changed his tune and says he shares their concerns. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/11/romney-flip-flops-on-protests-i-worry-about-the-99-percent/
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:28 PM GMT
    KissTheSky said80% of Americans agree with the protestors' goals of taxing the super-rich and preserving Social Security. Even a majority of Republican voters support these goals. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/11/poll-huge-majority-of-americans-support-taxing-the-rich/

    In just a few weeks the movement has managed to change the national dialogue from phony deficit reduction and cutting Social Security to job creation and tax equity.

    This series of protests is big fat bitch slap in the face of our out-of-touch, corrupt, paid-for politicians in BOTH PARTIES, and is long overdue.

    Now even the Republican front-runner has changed his tune and says he shares their concerns. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/11/romney-flip-flops-on-protests-i-worry-about-the-99-percent/


    If its to get at the polititians then protest Washington DC not Wall Street. Seriously people.

    And just an FYI 80% of americans prefer "dancing with the stars" over a show like "arrested development" or Firefly.

    Americans are idiots.
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:38 PM GMT
    They're in DC too, by the hundreds.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44829459/ns/us_news-life/
    And basically every American city.
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:40 PM GMT

    "First they came for the Communists,
    but I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

    "Then they came for the trade unionist,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    "Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because i wasn't a Jew.

    "Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me."

    - Martin Miemoller (1892-1984)
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:47 PM GMT
    First they came for the rich and I spoke out because they are idiots.
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    creyente saidThen you can also apply the same concept to the founding fathers. They had an idea as to what they wanted to accomplish when they revolted against the English.

    The idea was not a complete road map until they movement gained support. I'm sure there were a lot of English people who felt the same way about the colonial revolutionists as you do today about the OWS.


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    Chainers said
    Great, the occupy wall street movement is basing its PR strategy on an alcoholic beverage.

    Im sorry but a protest without a common goal is a waste of time. And people wonder why some of us roll our eyes at occupy wall street? Its a bunch of jobless losers who have nothing better to do.


    It's really no different than any other grass roots movement, including the Tea Party. It's simply a strategy for gaining a support base.

    When the Tea Party first started they simply wanted reduced government spending, less taxes and a reduction of national debt and the budget deficit.

    These are wide reaching goals with no specifics on how to achieve them. This intrigued a lot of people and drew them in.

    However once the movement grew in popularity and obtained a political platform, they honed the message to include specific mechanisms for achieving their goals.



    No offense but I think the tea party is absolutely ridiculous. And I am ashamed to hear that the liberal democrats are stooping so damn low as to base a crappy movement on the Tea Parties political structure.

    In actuality, people dont want jobs they want something to do. This gives it to them.


    Little hard to think about going to the gym when you've lost your job, your home, health is in question and debt is piling up. Would think those of us in the gay community would show a little more compassion than some of the flippant comments posted here. After all, you may be one or two paychecks away from loosing it too.
    Why dont they join a fucking gym or something.
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:52 PM GMT
    Because, you know, the founding fathers weren't against taxation without representation at all!
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:53 PM GMT
    Jeez guys. Can't you answer a simply question?...
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    Oct 11, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    No and no.

    In the middle of a recession/depression (call it what you will), would it not be more useful to do something productive, rather than making a self-indulgent nuisance of yourself?