BEWARE COLLEGE GUYS: Smiley face killers may be stalking college men

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    May 22, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
    In all, the investigators say they've connected the bizarre drowning deaths of at least 40 college-age men across the country.

    The two detectives believe that in each case, and in others they investigated, the men were drugged and then their bodies were slipped or tossed into the water to make it appear as if they'd drowned.

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    As Gannon and Duarte investigated the deaths, they began to see a trend. The cases spanned 25 cities in 11 states, and at least some of them were connected by a creepy symbol left near the water's edge: a smiley face painted on trees and other surfaces.

    The detectives believe that the smiley faces were left by the killer or killers. They varied in size, with each face more haunting than the next.

    ...

    The detectives also believe the victims were targeted. All of the young men were popular, athletic and good students.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/21/smiley.face.killer/index.html
  • rexinfx

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    May 22, 2008 5:24 AM GMT
    That happened just east of my home in Minneapolis.. I remember that being on the news.

    The end of that article pretty much says it's a wild correlation, but it's still pretty uneasy to think about.
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    May 22, 2008 5:32 AM GMT
    The evidence seems a little shaky to me. College boys do like a drink or two.
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    May 22, 2008 12:47 PM GMT
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    I'm innocent!
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    May 22, 2008 1:11 PM GMT
    Sounds like the makings of a horror movieicon_neutral.gif
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    May 22, 2008 1:41 PM GMT
    It may or may not be a group of serial killers, but the rates of this are sort of alarming and a bit sketch. I have done my fair share of drinking, and lots of it near bodies of water, but still have managed to not drown. Also, rivers generally aren't major attractions in towns, but rather a feature of the town itself. I don't hear many people deciding to get drunk and go to visit the Olentangy.
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    May 22, 2008 1:58 PM GMT
    Smiling Faces (the Temptations, Rare Earth's version is better)

    Smiling faces sometimes pretend to be your friend
    Smiling faces show no traces of the evil that lurks within
    Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
    They don't tell the truth uh
    Smiling faces, smiling faces
    Tell lies and I got proof
    The truth is in the eyes
    Cause the eyes don't lie, amen

    Remember a smile is just
    A frown turned upside down
    My friend let me tell you
    Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
    They don't tell the truth, uh
    Smiling faces, smiling faces
    Tell lies and I got proof

    Beware, beware of the handshake
    That hides the snake
    I'm telling you beware
    Beware of the pat on the back
    It just might hold you back
    Jealousy (jealousy)
    Misery (misery)
    Envy I tell you, you can't see behind smiling faces
    Smiling faces sometimes they don't tell the truth
    Smiling faces, smiling faces
    Tell lies and I got proof
    Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
    They don't tell the truth
    Smiling faces, smiling faces
    Tell lies and I got proof
    (Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes)
    (Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes)

    I'm telling you beware, beware of the handshake
    That hides the snake
    Listen to me now, beware
    Beware of that pat on the back
    It just might hold you back
    Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
    They don't tell the truth
    Smiling faces, smiling faces
    Tell lies and I got proof
    Your enemy won't do you no harm
    Cause you'll know where he's coming from
    Don't let the handshake and the smile fool ya
    Take my advice I'm only try' to school ya
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    May 22, 2008 2:06 PM GMT
    Well, I would be worried, but i got under a 3.0 this semester, so i'm technically not a "good" student as of right now, so i'm safe!icon_lol.gif

    But this is crazy: 40 people? I haven't ever heard of such a successful all male serial killer.

    I will now attempt to form a profile using my extensive detective skills i've picked up from watching CSI for like 6 years now:

    1. All of his victims are described as athletic college men; murdering an athletic college guy, let alone 40 of them, is going to be a lot more difficult due to their physical strength. Thus, the man is probably luring these men to a place where they let their guard down to assure there is no fighting back. I'm guessing the man is either very attractive, luring in horny college guys with his good looks, or uses drugs/money to draw in his victims. He most likely is just as personable as his victims, which is how they grow to trust him.

    2. He focuses solely on attractive young men, so he is most likely interested in men sexually, as serial killers often get their pleasure fulfilled by killing. Perhaps he fits a type to a person who was important in his life. Maybe a brother or secret high school fling who broke his heart.

    3. He drowns all of his victims, which is both a cruel and bizarre way to kill someone, as it is both difficult to get someone into open water, and drowning someone tends to be very noisy; although if the men were drugged, it could have been a quick body dump. There must be some significance to why he choses to drown victims; perhaps he had a significant near death experience from drowning, or witnessed a loved one drown?

    4. He leaves a smiley face near the victim, but twisted and haunting faces. This says to me that he may be crazy/schizophrenic/a drug user himself, as the logic of using a happy symbol in tandem with a horrible death seems to be a twisted logic that most people wouldn't think of (even other killers). Most serial killer calling cards are common items with a deeper representation of the killer (i.e. coins, zip drive, letters/words).

    So it seems we are looking for an older, attractive gay man who is personable and well-liked. I would first look for prior offenders (most likely for drugs) who have family members who have passed away from drowning or have experienced drowning related incidents. Also, someone who travels a lot. He is probably a very personable guy, but he most likely has odd behavioral patterns, like ticks or spasms or outbursts, caused by his drug use and/or mental instability.

    That's the best I got. lol call me Arthur "BearCub" Grissom icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 22, 2008 2:11 PM GMT
    Could just be somebody whose homophobia has created a psycho/sociopathology within him (or her). Look around. There are many many people who think it is their god ordained mission to wipe homosexuality from the face of the planet. This could just be someone's method.
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    May 22, 2008 2:23 PM GMT
    That would only be true if all the victims were gay, McGay.

    I don't have to worry about it anyway, I never drink.icon_neutral.gif

    It's definitely multiple killers but the smiley faces make the crime almost surreal...
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    May 22, 2008 2:53 PM GMT
    If there really is a serial killer / group of serial killers targeting these college men with such success, then yikes! It reminds me of something here in Norway:

    In Norway, we have had a series of molestations and sexual assaults (and even some rapes) of school-age boys; thanks to the effort of a few officers, they were able to connect these incidents into a series with similar MOs (where the assaulter invited boys to check his pocket for a gift; hence, his criminal alias is The Pocket Man).

    Last year, they finally found the guy (he's started to admit dozens of the incidents); this one guy has possibly, over the years, sexually assaulted 160 boys. At the same time, he has been a married family man with an independent business.

    Wikipedia article on The Pocket Man
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    May 22, 2008 3:13 PM GMT
    Wow, that is very creepy. How did you find out about it, Caslon?
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    May 22, 2008 3:23 PM GMT
    That just set the tone for the rest of my day. This is the sorta situation teen horror flicks are made of. icon_eek.gif
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    May 22, 2008 3:30 PM GMT
    I remember when I went to Fordham back in 96 the guy in the room a door or two down went missing early in the semester. He went out drinking with some friends and got separated from the group. We put out a concerted search, but later they found evidence that linked dot him int he Hudson. In nyc, you never know what could have happened to him after a night of drinking on the east side, but it does make you wonder.
    It was a pretty unsettling way to start my freshman year.
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    May 22, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
    Sounds like another kind of nightmare. I hope it can be solved in the near term.
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    May 24, 2008 11:53 AM GMT
    After reading bearcub's profile of the serial killer, I'm convinced that we need to be on the lookout for angry lesbians.
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    May 24, 2008 1:32 PM GMT
    BearCub17 saidWell, I would be worried, but i got under a 3.0 this semester, so i'm technically not a "good" student as of right now, so i'm safe!icon_lol.gif

    But this is crazy: 40 people? I haven't ever heard of such a successful all male serial killer.

    I will now attempt to form a profile using my extensive detective skills i've picked up from watching CSI for like 6 years now:

    1. All of his victims are described as athletic college men; murdering an athletic college guy, let alone 40 of them, is going to be a lot more difficult due to their physical strength. Thus, the man is probably luring these men to a place where they let their guard down to assure there is no fighting back. I'm guessing the man is either very attractive, luring in horny college guys with his good looks, or uses drugs/money to draw in his victims. He most likely is just as personable as his victims, which is how they grow to trust him. Or...they could be drugged while at the bar. The article states that each was drugged by a substance that would not be found in an autopsy...what drugs can NOT be found in an autopsy? If you can take the BAC then you can certainly find something else, i mean the body is dead and was probably face down. It seems as if they men were NOT taken by force however..

    2. He focuses solely on attractive young men, so he is most likely interested in men sexually, as serial killers often get their pleasure fulfilled by killing. Perhaps he fits a type to a person who was important in his life. Maybe a brother or secret high school fling who broke his heart. Doubtful he is gay or secretly gay in my opinion. It's obvious he/they get off on power. He/they has power over these young men in the prime of their life when they are the most virile and strong and able to put up a fight. If he was interested in them sexually, why not rape/sodomize then murder them? Sexuality has little to do with this case. Power does. Think about it, why murder prostitutes or runaways when you could murder men who have the world going for them - healthy, intelligent, and strong? It's a much greater thrill for him/them that way. There is normally no sign of a struggle and the men are obviously walking home alone, so there is a sign that the victim in general feels safe. I dunno, maybe they scope out bars from across the street for guys that fit their MO come up behind them and stick them with a needle....or most likely, use an INCREDIBLY attractive female to do the dirty work - keep the guys guard down with the promise of sex, he will do anything. Wow I read way to many mystery novels.

    3. He drowns all of his victims, which is both a cruel and bizarre way to kill someone, as it is both difficult to get someone into open water, and drowning someone tends to be very noisy; although if the men were drugged, it could have been a quick body dump. There must be some significance to why he choses to drown victims; perhaps he had a significant near death experience from drowning, or witnessed a loved one drown? Drowning quickly washes away evidence. Most of these colleges are in semi rural areas near the upper parts of these rivers. Also its one of the best ways to dispose of a body because of the lack of commotion. Sure you could hear a splash, but lets be honest, if this is a serial killer, he/she/they are slowly pushing the body into the water causing little more than a water ripple. Because of currents, it would take a few days to pinpoint where the body is. Not that again these killings are happening closer to a river's source and not the mouth where there is generally a greater higher population density and a higher probability of capture.

    4. He leaves a smiley face near the victim, but twisted and haunting faces. This says to me that he may be crazy/schizophrenic/a drug user himself, as the logic of using a happy symbol in tandem with a horrible death seems to be a twisted logic that most people wouldn't think of (even other killers). Most serial killer calling cards are common items with a deeper representation of the killer (i.e. coins, zip drive, letters/words).This could possibly be true but lets face it this guy/girl/group have killed 40+ students in multiple states and areas by making the killings look like drownings...this is planned to the Nth degree - and most likely in my opinion the work of a sociopath or several. This case screams sociopathic killings - the thrill of killing the "dominent" sex of the species, in the prime of life...this person/group is highly sociopathic.

    So it seems we are looking for an older, attractive gay man who is personable and well-liked. I would first look for prior offenders (most likely for drugs) who have family members who have passed away from drowning or have experienced drowning related incidents. Also, someone who travels a lot. He is probably a very personable guy, but he most likely has odd behavioral patterns, like ticks or spasms or outbursts, caused by his drug use and/or mental instability.I would think we are looking for someone completely normal but feels completely inadequate with his/her day to day living. He/she/they get off on the fact that there is absolutely 0 evidence with the exception of the pictograms that he/she/they are leaving. However each is different - which leads me to believe that this is a group of people not just one. The one smiley face in particular was much more detailed and cryptic where as the one on the tree was hastily done by someone who wanted to let officers know that they were there, but with maybe a little less experience. This person/people is/are not a drug user but a substantial knowledge of what drugs are best to kill with or lives with someone that is and has a solid knowledge of forensic science - possibly a doctor or former md student - highly intelligent but highly irregular in mannerisms and it intimidates/frightens people that come around him/her. If this is a "group" then you know they all met on the internet and are now doing sport killings of human males rather than 10pt Bucks. This is an interesting and terrifying case that is doubtfully the work of just an individual.

    That's the best I got. lol call me Arthur "BearCub" Grissom icon_biggrin.gif


    My two cents are in the bold. If I was the cop on the case...I would be looking for:

    Guy/Girl inconspicuous young pairs - (the female being much more attractive than the male)
    middle-late 20's female - mid 30's male
    Caucasian (both)
    They do not look like they are together but they are...the victim and female leave the bar together to go back to "her place" where in the car the victim is already incredibly drunk is given a drink for the ride to "her place" that is laced with a narcotic that knocks him out. They drive to an undisclosed location where the victim is mentally and lightly physically tortured - the male perp gets off on scaring the fuck out of him more than actually touching him and punching him - that would leave evidence and he is too smart for that. The victim is most likely restrianed by handcuffs that are not fully clamped as they would leave marks on the victim or the like. When the perp is finished with play time, he injects enough of the same narcotic to knock the victim out cold but not kill him completely. He wants the drowning to do that and he wants the victim to be semi conscious for it. He wants to feel alive while having a third party (*water) snatch his victim's life away.


    Or they are all college kids that got lost and fell into rivers near loose rocks and dirt.

    Either way, it's fucking terrifying.