Gas Prices

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    May 22, 2008 4:43 AM GMT
    So I am pissed. I just spent 75 dollars to fill up my suv.
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    May 22, 2008 10:32 AM GMT
    WOW! Your lucky you dont live in Canada or Europe where its a lot more expensive to fill up...Over 100$ depending on the type of SUV.
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    May 22, 2008 10:34 AM GMT
    That's why I've started biking to work icon_smile.gif
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    May 22, 2008 1:13 PM GMT
    GobB saidSo I am pissed. I just spent 75 dollars to fill up my suv.

    HAHAHA - I love waving at you guys as I bike past you at gas stations! icon_twisted.gif
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    May 22, 2008 1:19 PM GMT
    can_duathlete saidWOW! Your lucky you dont live in Canada or Europe where its a lot more expensive to fill up...Over 100$ depending on the type of SUV.


    Second that my closest gas station charges $7.70 a gallon

    I'm walking to my gym...



    But look on the bright side my health insurance premiums costs $580 annually when I move to the US in September it's sky rocketing to $2,666. if my farther moved it would cost him about $18,000, here he pays the same $580 as me...

    Awful lot of gas for $17,500.....
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    May 22, 2008 1:24 PM GMT
    High gas price and high food stuff (especially rice) is a major disaster in Asia. Some is so bad that it might topple government . People cant afford it, salary did not increase. Crime get more and more serious . Count your blessing if your country dont have the same problem.
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    May 22, 2008 1:25 PM GMT
    I've been biking to work and the gym too. I only live two miles from either so I figure its a double plus since I'm saving money and getting more exercise. I just wish it wasn't so hilly here in Tallahassee.icon_sad.gif
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    May 22, 2008 1:53 PM GMT
    GobB saidSo I am pissed. I just spent 75 dollars to fill up my suv.


    I love it and hope it keeps going up. I think it is finally motivating people to find alternative means of transportation as well as alternative resources. Check out these links here and you will see what I mean, and it's about time people got off their ass since we have the technology.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=7YPTWWxQUGc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlyYWQ8_Mzc&NR=1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obs2tAq57j8&NR=1
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    May 22, 2008 2:03 PM GMT
    americans are finally waking up to the fact that most of the world has known for decades:
    gas is a limited commodity.

    in my mind suv's represent the worst of american culture:
    waste
    greed
    ego

    ditch the dinosaur and get with the 21st century bro
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    May 22, 2008 2:05 PM GMT
    But then you have "government" that has to get their freaking noses in things like Stan Myers automobile that ran off actual water, hose water, lake water, or salt water. The fact that we are able to do these things is not the problem but it is the "BIG" people that do not want this invention to be released. Automobile manufactuers are having to design cars that will stillk depend on going to pumping stations to fuel up so that government can still get there cut. If it is electric you can bet fuel companies will own all the battery manufactuers as they have already started to buy them out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h75_TGiwg78&NR=1
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    May 22, 2008 2:11 PM GMT
    There's certainly something to be said that in the US the corporations are against any changes in the current set up unless they own and control the next set up. They swoop in with millions to buy the patents and rights to new tech...and what inventor is going to say NO for the betterment of society? Very few indeed. Yes, the consumer base can demand these new products and create change...but when most are marketed to death to maintain the status quo, are enough people going to notice?

    I'm all for gas going sky high and forcing a certain amount of change...so long as the corporate interest doesn't thwart it.
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    May 22, 2008 2:16 PM GMT
    If gas prices continue to rise unchecked, there will be riots in the streets. The millions who were already struggling before gas prices started to rise will no longer be able to pay their heating bills or their electric bills or buy enough food for their needs. If you pray, pray for a solution to come quickly. I don't believe there's a lot of time left for those on the cusp and they're not gonna like it one bit when they fall off.
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    May 22, 2008 2:24 PM GMT
    I HATE HATE HATE GAS!!!

    I am actually searching for a new job so that I don't have to drive to work everyday. I live in Center City Philadelphia but I commute everyday to Jersey for work. IT BLOWS! I spend 10% of my take home pay on gas....its insane!
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    May 22, 2008 2:25 PM GMT
    I paid $101 yesterday to fill up my F-150, and I got my Chevron credit card bill for April and it was $555 -- that was more than my truck payment. I think I need to get on the list for one of those Smart cars. The thing is, I have driven a truck my whole life...I just don't think I could stand to part with that.
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    May 22, 2008 2:30 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI paid $101 yesterday to fill up my F-150, and I got my Chevron credit card bill for April and it was $555 -- that was more than my truck payment. I think I need to get on the list for one of those Smart cars. The thing is, I have driven a truck my whole life...I just don't think I could stand to part with that.


    Get a Toyota LOL. I mean a four banger too!
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    May 22, 2008 2:42 PM GMT
    In '95 it cost $15 to fill up my compact truck. In '08 it cost $60 to fill the same size truck. I'd love to bus or scooter it to work, but I need to haul stuff if I am to continue restoring our ecology here in TX.

    Sometimes I think this is just a ploy to get us to agree to open more US protected areas to oil exploration, which would very much please our domestic oil executives. Somtimes I think it's just a huge $ grab before everyone finally bails on gasoline as a fuel. Sometimes I even think that bin Laden, the Saudis, Bush, Cheney, and ExxonMobilChevronTexacoBPConocoPhillipsEtc are all having a big party on our dime. Well, sometimes. That would be scary fucked-up, but I wouldn't put anything past this administration.

    Perhaps we need to make alternative technologies available through small companies on a local level, out of the big-oil/big-auto scope. A revolt against old-energy is in order. Again, when we stop thinking we have to burn things found here on earth to create energy, we'll have finally moved beyond the cave man mentality. After all, there's something burning up in the sky and it's immensely powerful. Yet we turn our back on it. Not to mention wind, waves, etc.

    But no...the USA continues to hitch itself to two commodities for nearly everything produced: corn and petroleum. If we don't diversify, we're extremely vulnerable both economically and with regard to national security. Our leaders are throwing us under the bus (or more accurately, under the Ford Expedition).

    Regardless, there is a small group of incredibly cynical and greedy folks who have us by the balls.
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    May 22, 2008 2:44 PM GMT
    if you must buy a truck or SUV then by all means do so! just get a diesel...biodiesel is cheap to make and runs cleaner than dino-diesel, not to mention it's a completely renewable resource. I'm not talking about running str8 vegetable oil, which is also an option for diesel cars and trucks...it requires more modification. it is quite cost effective and easy to use waste cooking oil, that's right WASTE or USED, and process it into real biodiesel. oh, and diesels get better gas mileage too icon_wink.gif

    something esle to consider to ease fuel costs until alternative fueled vehicles are more readily available: http://www.hymotion.com

    I know that gas hybrids are not the answer, but until we can get everybody else's asses in gear about getting efficeintly mass produced alternatively fueled vehicles to the market, they provide a small relief from rising gas prices.

    oh, and does anybody else remember the concept dodge had back in 1992? it was a 1.2L diesel hybrid Intrepid that got an estimated 60-70 MPG in a full sized car. and that was in 1992.

    I also forgot to throw in my despise of ethanol. ethanol (especially corn based) is a horrible idea! it takes more energy to create than it will produce in the end. if you run an ethanol/gas blend your mileage WILL go down. even 10% E blend that the majority of gas stations sell will decrease mileage by almost 10%! it is true that ethanol blends put out less harmful emissions per gallon than regular gas, but when you're burning more of it the benefits start to dwindle.
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    May 22, 2008 2:45 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 said

    While I ride my bike everywhere I need to go within the city, I don't love the gas hike. This goes far beyond our desperate need for alternative fuel choices. Thanks to ethanol, we are experiencing food shortages. The cost of gas effects almost every aspect of life. For one, food prices are insane add to that the cost of heating a home, the cost of necessary airline travel, postage and shipping prices and rising public transportation prices. I don't know... a lot of people don't have the luxury of biking everywhere or a bus that can transport them form their neighborhood or enough money to just buy a new hybrid.
    This isn't just affecting the weekend traveler or SUV driver, this is really hurting the entire economy and especially people living paycheck to paycheck.
    I own a retail shop that deals with small imported european goods and between the deflating dollar and transport costs... well, let's just say this, I may as well be selling gold.
    A world of hybrid planes, tractors, city vehicles etc. is a great idea but not one that will happen anytime too soon even with the rising fuel prices. IF you can barely afford groceries , I can't really see a new car in the future. Same with bankrupt airline companies and farmers who are barely making it. Nice thought but pretty impractical in the near future.

    Conserving and finding alternative ways to get from point A to B are great things, don't get me wrong. But the repercussions of inflated fuel prices are far reaching and I would have a hard time saying that the benefits out weigh the cost.


    The fact that Stan Myer invented a car that ran off water in the 80's tells us that it will not happen anytime soon but it is not because it is not possible. The government stopped him and they are the problem. It is very possible to convert and to do so in only a matter of years. The thing is it has to be availble and the best way to do it is to convert your currently owned vehicle. It is very very possible!
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    May 22, 2008 2:48 PM GMT
    WikipediaThe water fuel cell is a device invented by American Stanley Meyer, which he claimed could convert water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen, using less energy than can be obtained by the subsequent combustion of those elements, a process that results the reconstitution of the water molecules. Thus, if the device operated as claimed, the combustion cycle would start and end in the same state while extracting usable energy, thereby violating the first law of thermodynamics and allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine. Meyer's claims about the Water Fuel Cell and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1]

    Similar devices have been promoted by others (see Water-fuelled car): there is no evidence that any of these devices operate as claimed.

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    May 22, 2008 2:59 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 saidChizzad.
    Again. This goes far beyond your car. I am not saying it isn't possible. Outfitting the population of the world with cars, PLANES, TRACTORS, SHIPS and city vehicles that run off water is a tall order.
    What about cities with not a lot of water to spare? same with ethanol and vegetable oil.
    Trading one resource for another has its own long list of problems.

    That's why you start with personal transportation first. I didnt say do everything at once, that is just nuts. The main thing right now is the everyday person driving back and forth to work. When water and a fuel cell is used a normal vehicle has been known to travel 100 plus miles on one gallon of water. For those that have limited supply of water.......they have much greater concerns than fuel prices and transportation don't you think. The majority could be converted and that is that.
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    May 22, 2008 3:01 PM GMT
    McGay said[quote][cite]Wikipedia[/cite]The water fuel cell is a device invented by American Stanley Meyer, which he claimed could convert water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen, using less energy than can be obtained by the subsequent combustion of those elements, a process that results the reconstitution of the water molecules. Thus, if the device operated as claimed, the combustion cycle would start and end in the same state while extracting usable energy, thereby violating the first law of thermodynamics and allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine. Meyer's claims about the Water Fuel Cell and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1]

    Similar devices have been promoted by others (see Water-fuelled car): there is no evidence that any of these devices operate as claimed.

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    One guy traveled 100 miles on only 4oz of water. Now the government has him building a Hummer for them.....hummmmm I wonder what will happen next?
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    May 22, 2008 3:03 PM GMT
    Until mass produced alternatives become available a solution to saving gas can be to follow as many of the tips as you can here:

    How to beat the EPA numbers for your ride: http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1510
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    May 22, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    Chizzad said
    One guy traveled 100 miles on only 4oz of water. Now the government has him building a Hummer for them.....hummmmm I wonder what will happen next?


    The government or big oil and energy money? icon_wink.gif

    But as McGay posted the water solution isn't all its cracked up to be. At least not yet.
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    May 22, 2008 3:06 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 saidChizzad.
    Again. This goes far beyond your car. I am not saying it isn't possible. Outfitting the population of the world with cars, PLANES, TRACTORS, SHIPS and city vehicles that run off water is a tall order.
    What about cities with not a lot of water to spare? same with ethanol and vegetable oil.
    Trading one resource for another has its own long list of problems.


    Screw the tall orders LOL. I am talking about the people that really make the world go round icon_twisted.gif us! Who do you think uses the majority of fuel? It is the millions of little vehicles on the roadways. As far as the PLANES, TRACTORS, AND SHIPS I could care less about them at this point and time. Baby steps is how you get this thing done!
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    May 22, 2008 3:07 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidChizzad said
    One guy traveled 100 miles on only 4oz of water. Now the government has him building a Hummer for them.....hummmmm I wonder what will happen next?

    The government or big oil and energy money? icon_wink.gif


    I think you might be on to something. Here is the guy!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZOsOB3z3IE&NR=1