Have Corporations as they now exist outlived their usefullness to their human creators ? have they morphed into something needing major adjustments to serve the masses rather than we the masses serving what we ourselves created ?

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    Oct 13, 2011 3:09 AM GMT
    Maybe they've become overgrown Alligators only to be fed and must be guarded against, lest they eat up their keepers. The more time goes by, the corps have become less and less responsive to fewer and fewer workers for which they were created. Something isn't working right with the system of corporations under the traditional rules and under all the rules these corps have bought for themselves.

    Didn't we, the human beings create these Corps in the first place for our benefit ? How did these Corps get to the point of being unresponsive behemoths to fewer and fewer of the masses that do their work ? Squeezing out more and more to increase profits to be shared by fewer and fewer.

    Have we come to the place where the model for corps need to change? People run these things called Corps. so its people who have created the unresponsive beasts. Somehow I think that the rules made by donations to those dependent upon them for their re-elections are at the root of the problem, cut off that connection and the rules for corps might return to serving the needs of their workers rather than only for the bottom line profit.

    Interesting questions don't you think? Corps are inanimate entities and when they become something to serve rather than serving us, something has to change don't you think? Aren't these issues at the root of the current protests?
    Think about it before you castigate my asking these questions, I have no agenda, just wondering what you think ? Because the system appears to be turning against its makers.

    After all, all world systems exist only because people exist, when most of those people are suffering, adjustments have to be made. The world has been through many major adjustments, and we may now be in the midst of another big world adjustment. what do you think ?
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    Oct 13, 2011 3:29 AM GMT
    The answer? "Servant-Leadership" by Robert Greenleaf
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    Oct 13, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    Here's some more interesting reading from Michael Lind, Policy Director of the Economic Growth Program at the New America foundation.

    I just happened on his twist on the subject, He writes "ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OBSOLETE?"

    "Have the American people outlived their usefulness to the rich minority in the United States? A number of trends suggest that the answer may be yes."

    "In every industrial democracy since the end of World War ll, there has been a social contract between the few and the many. In return for receiving a disproportionate amount of the gains from economic growth in a capitalist economy, the rich paid a disproportionate percentage of the tases needed for public goods and a safety net for the majority."

    "In North America and Europe, the economic elite agreed to this bargain because they needed ordinary people as consumers and soldiers. Without mass consumption, the factories in which the reich invested would grind to a halt. Without universal conscription in the world wars, and selective conscription during the Cold War, the US and its allies might have failed to defeat totalitarian empires that would have created a world order hostile to a market economy."

    "Globalization has eliminated the first reason for the rich to continue supporting this bargain at the nation state leve, while the privatization of the military threatens the other rationale."

    "The offshoring of industrial production means that many American investors and corporate managers no longer need an American workforce in order to prosper. They can enjoy their stream of profits from factories in China while shutting down factories in the US and if Chinese workers have the impertinence to demand higher wages, American corporations can find low wage labor in other countries."

    That's an interesting observation !! what do you think? does it have merit ?

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    Oct 15, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
    More from Michael Lind;

    "This marks a historic change in the relationship between capital and labor in the US. The robber barons of the late 19th century generally lived near the American working class and could be threated by strikes and frightened by the prospect of revolution. But rioting Chinese workers are not going to burn down NYC or march on the Hamptons."

    "What about markets? Many US multinationals that have transferred production to other countries continue to depend on an American mass market. gut that too, may be changing. American consumers are tapped out, and as long as they are paying down their debts from the bubble years, private household demand for goods and services will grow slowly at best in the US. In the long run, the fastest growing consumer markets, like the fastest growing Labor markets, bay be found in China, India and other developing countries."

    "This too marks a dramatic hange, as bas they were, the robber barons depended on the continental US market for their incomes. The financier JP Morgan was not so much an international banker as a kind of Industrial capitalist, organizing American industrial corps. that depended on predominantly domestic markets. He didn't make most of his money from investing in other countries."

    "Thanks to deindustrialization, which is caused both by productivity growth and by corp offshoring, the overwhelming majority of Americans now work in the non traded domestic service sector. The jobs that have the greatest growth in numbers are concentrated in sectors like medical care and childcare."

    "In contrast, many of the highest paid individuals on Wall street have grown rich through activities that have little or no connection with the American economy. the can flourish even if the US declines, as long as they can tap into growth in other regions of the world."

    Go to Detroit, Michigan, Jackson Michigan South Bend Indiana, Elkhart, Indiana and many other former centers of industrialization that were very active into the 70's and now you'll see grass growing in the parking lots, trees in the cracks, the doors and windows of these large factories are boarded up. Where once you could start at one end of the street looking for work and not get very far before having a job, there now are no jobs. We have allowed Corps to buy policy and legislation favoring taking these jobs overseas to the point that we make nowhere near what we used to in comparison to population, so the public has too little work, therefore too little spendable cash to keep the economy vibrant. These are problems at the basis of the public demonstrations.

    "Not so long ago, the core skill of the US was new industry creation and at the same time not coincidentally the country boasted the worlds largest and fastest growing economy. during the 1920' through the 1860's scientific and technological break throughs from the US produced a steady stream of extraordinary new industries and products. these industries stimulated consumer demand and, by providing high paying jobs, enabled it."

    Much of this has disappeared.