Harvard Cancer Expert: Steve Jobs Probably Doomed Himself With Alternative Medicine

  • metta

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    Oct 14, 2011 12:00 AM GMT
    Harvard Cancer Expert: Steve Jobs Probably Doomed Himself With Alternative Medicine

    http://gawker.com/5849543/harvard-cancer-expert-steve-jobs-probably-doomed-himself-with-alternative-medicine
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    Oct 14, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
    Alternative medicine doesn't hurt bit it must be done in conjunction with the conventional methods otherwise you're taking a risk. Alternative medicine, depending on what we're talking about, works on the immune system strengthening end.
  • 6packabs

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    Oct 14, 2011 1:45 AM GMT
    Actually, Here is a different take:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/033793_Steve_Jobs_chemotherapy.html
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    Oct 14, 2011 8:00 AM GMT
    ^
    Thanks for posting. Good to read both sides. icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 14, 2011 8:10 AM GMT
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    LMAO!!!!

    omg....

    In my not so humble opinion..

    I personally think both of these people should have kept their mouths shut about someone's personal medical decisions that are really none of anybody else's business..

    Ethically speaking, they are both violating a right to privacy, i see no written documentation that Steve wanted all his health issues to be blasted across the newspapers and turn into a war between the warring factions of allopathic and complementary medicine.. with his personal privacy being the expense of it all..

    So basically.. both parties are heavily at fault here...

    Thats what i think....

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    Oct 14, 2011 8:18 AM GMT
    GreenHopper saidicon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif

    LMAO!!!!

    omg....

    In my not so humble opinion..

    I personally think both of these people should have kept their mouths shut about someone's personal medical decisions that are really none of anybody else's business..

    Ethically speaking, they are both violating a right to privacy, i see no written documentation that Steve wanted all his health issues to be blasted across the newspapers and turn into a war between the warring factions of allopathic and complementary medicine.. with his personal privacy being the expense of it all..

    So basically.. both parties are heavily at fault here...

    Thats what i think....



    Agreed, Physicians have no business opining about any patients condition especially if they are not involved in the care.

    a few examples, Dr Drew, Dr Oz make a living off of barely ethical practices and dangerous speculation.

    Even opining about a "corpse" is unethical, Its not surprising some have no concept of this notion.
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    Oct 14, 2011 9:30 AM GMT
    Alternative medicine is most of the time just fraud and quackery. It doesn't strengthen the immune system or remove toxins or do anything more than placebo. I can't believe people still believe in that stuff. I have so many friends who believe in and receive alternative medicine treatments that I feel sad they are wasting their money and potentially harming themselves.

    I thought the same thing about Jobs dying of cancer when I heard he had delayed "real" therapy and then only had surgical resection (whipple procedure) and no radio or chemotherapy.

    I agree with the expert that Jobs *may* have lead to his own death by delaying and/or avoiding conventional therapy. However, we'll never know for sure. Maybe he would have still died of cancer even if he had been treated very aggressively.
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    Oct 14, 2011 9:57 AM GMT
    well this man is still alive.... they said he had terminal prostate cancer, and he found the secret cure. BAKING SODA. something so cheap and easily available...yet could cure cancer? can you believe it?

    pH kills cancer




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    Oct 14, 2011 10:01 AM GMT
    So, the question is, does someone have the right to choose whatever medical therapy they want?

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    Oct 14, 2011 11:02 AM GMT
    I noticed the same thing. I'm with them on the toxicity of radiation, but agree that they trail away from their own point and start grabbing at anything.
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    Oct 14, 2011 12:10 PM GMT
    There's nothing alternative about alternative medicine. But I do have to say that any article that simplifies Steve Jobs' death into such a linear causality has no merit. Every individual's disease is unique and must be treated as such. We can't say conclusively if Jobs chose the best medicine. Besides, Jobs could have chosen non-invasive methods first because he practices Buddhism. The arrogance of some medical practitioners is a problem.
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    Oct 14, 2011 6:44 PM GMT
    The OP was just offering his opinion as a research fellow on neuroendocrine tumors, and I found what he wrote completely plausible.
    There is no such thing as alternative medicine. There's only medicine--it works or it doesn't. Jobs found out the hard way.
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    Oct 14, 2011 6:59 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidAlternative medicine doesn't hurt bit it must be done in conjunction with the conventional methods otherwise you're taking a risk.


    +1

    Most important thing is to act quickly. I've heard a lot of people trying diet and "alternative" therapies either during or after the conventional therapy.

    That being said, there is so much quackery out there. Nobody truly knows how to treat cancer 100%, otherwise it wouldn't be such a common fatality. If it were as simple as a change in diet, then I think we would have discovered it, but it appears to be far more complex and indistinguishable, and while we have many correlations, we have few causations. For example, it would be difficult to attribute baking soda guy's recovery directly to the baking soda therapy he used - he could have had a multitude of other factors that reversed his condition.
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    #GreenHopper. I agree with you.

    It would appear that this confirms conventional wisdom that the best outcome to surviving cancer is detecting it early and taking care of it.

    Google "whipple procedure". Having your pancreas removed... That's gonna suck.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzjjW--I-2Q


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    Oct 14, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
    Some people seem to think doctors prescribe chemo and radio therapy just for shits and giggles.
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:04 PM GMT
    Mil8 saidSome people seem to think doctors prescribe chemo and radio therapy just for shits and giggles.


    Same with dental work. I don't do root canals because they're fun. But I'm especially not doing it to create a permanent source of magical poison that seeps out into your body and causes your headaches, your inability to lose weight, and your dry skin.
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
    And people who think the Whipple procedure isn't a marathon that surgeons don't want to do except when there's no choice, has watched way too much Grey's Anatomy. I scrubbed in one as a med student and I still remember how much my arm ached at the end after so much traction. (Didn't work out then, should have)
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
    Just went through the same 4 year scenario with my Dad. He did not seek alternative medicine.....same results. The drug and "procedure" based medicine could not have been any worse. It is just about making "health care industry" rich.
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:15 PM GMT
    Mil8 saidSome people seem to think doctors prescribe chemo and radio therapy just for shits and giggles.


    Innovations have dramatically minimized damage to nearby organs. I would travel to be treated by a CyberKnife system if I needed it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcHusCZkFeI

    The challenge with things like lung cancer is how long you hold your breath. I'm in awe that they could implement a special video camera/Tshirt system to track lung movement instead of more Xray snapshots to predict tumor movement.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0wUtWqvcA
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
    the "harvard cancer expert" should keep his fucking mouth shut.

    totally unprofessional BS. Cunt.

    That said, the "alternative" article was equally nuts (though it is right that there is a cancer industry in the USA)

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    Oct 14, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
    I heard snake oil cures cancer.
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:24 PM GMT
    musclmed saidAgreed, Physicians have no business opining about any patients condition especially if they are not involved in the care.

    a few examples, Dr Drew, Dr Oz make a living off of barely ethical practices and dangerous speculation.

    Even opining about a "corpse" is unethical, Its not surprising some have no concept of this notion.

    I'm not a medical person, so I may be completely off base, but it seems to me that a physician would have not business opining if he had access or knowledge of the patient's condition as a result of his position, i.e. information from a doctor-patient relationship or having been involved as a consultant. If he had no such specific knowledge, knew only what was reported publicly, and stated that, I can't see any ethical practices that he is violating.

    I would think, on the other hand, that any such discussion that might help someone in a similar situation make a decision would not be out of line.
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
    tallchris saidI heard snake oil cures cancer.


    Snake oil, chemo.. much the same
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
    Both articles are speculating wildly. The Harvard guy at least admits that he doesn't know much about the actual case. He's just speculating based on the general population. The Natural News article gets a little crazy. Chemo doesn't work? Tell that to the millions who have been cured by it. It's a very harsh therapy, but it does work for many people. It's not a guaranteed cure, but nothing is. The article also makes Jobs out to be some sort of victim of his own company. By all accounts, he was a total tyrant. I don't know where they got their information, but it's hard to take them seriously when it sounds like they just made it up.
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    Oct 14, 2011 7:31 PM GMT
    I'm undergoing radiation therapy for prostate cancer right now, 5 days a week. When I learned of it through a PSA blood test and a subsequent biopsy, I wasted no time finding the best doctor with the best equipment that I could. He's rated among the 10 best doctors in Florida, and a renowned radiation oncologist in the US.

    When my life is on the line I don't mess around with poorly-proven approaches, theories and philosophies, instead of hard science with a demonstratable track record of success. And when I had narrowed my selection down to this guy, imagine my genuine surprise when my partner recognized the name as the same doctor who had cured his own prostate cancer 7 years ago, before we got together.

    And then I found out one of our best friends here was also successfully treated by this doctor 3 years ago, likewise for prostate cancer. This is what happens when you do your research. And BTW, 2 nights ago 5 of us went out to dinner, and 4 at the table have had cancer, with 3 cured and me pending but hopeful. So don't think this has no chance of touching you, because cancer is rampant today, especially of the prostate. And like Steve Jobs, 2 of the guys at dinner with me got cancer in their late 40s - early 50s. It's not just your grandparents' disease.

    I have no idea what Steve Jobs did for his own cancer, if he tried alternative approaches, or immediately sought out the best experts in the world. Certainly he had infinitely more money than me, and all the resources & influence to be treated by whomever on Earth he wanted. Maybe he was genuinely incurable, no matter what.

    But should this happen to you (and I advise regular doctor visits), I strongly recommend you take an aggressive, pro-active and mainstream approach. Consult with the finest doctors you can afford, and don't listen to advice from those who are not experts at all.

    You will get an avalanche of advice from people who don't know shit, as I have. Do your research, select the best specialists who actually have credentials and results, and go with it.