Principal quits over gay club

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    May 22, 2008 7:23 PM GMT
    A principal ordered to allow the creation of a Gay-Straight Alliance club at his school quits his job.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/22/dnt.sc.principal.quits.wis
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    May 22, 2008 7:46 PM GMT
    Good, one homophobe down umpteen to go.icon_smile.gif
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    May 22, 2008 7:48 PM GMT
    Well, obviously that school is better off without him, and I'll refrain from commenting on the 'intelligent' argument made by the first woman.
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    May 22, 2008 8:00 PM GMT
    Oh, silly me. Here I thought schools were all about meeting a students needs. Turns out it is about the principle and the parents need to have their backwards values validated.
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    May 22, 2008 8:06 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidOh, silly me. Here I thought schools were all about meeting a students needs. Turns out it is about the principle and the parents need to have their backwards values validated.


    Students needs? Ha, I was busy trying to avoid the public school teacher's yardstick, or cramming for exams on subjects I would never use in the outside world.

    If education was about teaching students what they need to know to cope with life, I could think of several subjects that should be taught but are not, like personal financial management, cooking (including a proper diet), and (god forbid) sex education.

    Don't even get me started on the public education system.
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    May 22, 2008 8:17 PM GMT
    I am 100% in agreement with you. Teachers and school administrators are there for the students. Curriculum designers at the state level are not teachers, they are accountants by training usually. And their idea of what school is all about is vastly different from what school should be all about.
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    May 22, 2008 10:01 PM GMT
    I figure car mechanics and finance management would be priorities to know in life, however my school somehow believed those endless hours of calculus would be more beneficial to me when I got a flat tire or filled out a tax form.

    It seems the PTA meetings in that school district must be quite productive smiley.gif
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    May 23, 2008 3:16 AM GMT
    I agree with Zombie that teachers (the vast majority) are there for the students and certainly not for the money or prestige which is lamentable compared to other industrialized nations. I hesitate to include administrators because many seem oblivious to student and curriculum needs. Indeed, they seem to go out of their way to make decisions that alienate everyone. I am a former public school teacher and proud of that. However, I found the bureaucracy of education and the No Child Left (untested) Behind legislation stifling. It took the joy out of teaching for me.
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    May 23, 2008 3:34 AM GMT
    I'm sorry but that principle looks like the biggest mo ever.
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    May 23, 2008 3:46 AM GMT

    B-bye .... I hear McDonalds is hirin' icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 23, 2008 3:51 AM GMT
    onmyway saidI figure car mechanics and finance management would be priorities to know in life, however my school somehow believed those endless hours of calculus would be more beneficial to me when I got a flat tire or filled out a tax form.


    At the risk of spoiling the party, I'd like to point out that the teaching of math, beyond the mere arithmetical, isn't about remembering 30 years later how to to differentiate equations. It's about learning how to think, and frankly, if I were designing the curriculum I'd put a great deal MORE math and symbolic logic into it.

    One of the (many) problems with our political system and our culture is that people are taught to believe that "feelings" trump thinking. Feelings are common--we all have them--but they shouldn't rule important matters like government or tax policies.

    We aren't born learning how to think, even if we can sort of do it. We have to be taught. And frankly, I distrust "feelings" as a way of judging almost anything.
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    May 23, 2008 4:03 AM GMT
    Why is it that us existing and being recognized and protected by our government is trampling over people's religious freedoms? I don't understand how the Christian right can claim such a thing. There are millions of objectionable things everyone has to see on a daily basis. How do gays top that list? Does us being safer and protected from harm diminish the quality of straight people's lives? Apparently the homophobic misanthropes need the right to bash us and kill us without any consequences. Freedom, hah.icon_mad.gif
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    May 23, 2008 4:08 AM GMT
    MchEngnr86 saidWhy is it that us existing and being recognized and protected by our government is trampling over people's religious freedoms?


    It doesnt. But that's the best they can come up with. Life is changing and fast. Once the military caves, it will cascade very quickly...and the military is being placed under increasing burden to maintain their bigotry.

    But then, blacks had to burn a few cities to get things off the dime for them. I dont think that will be necessary for gays.
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    May 23, 2008 4:13 AM GMT
    MchEngnr86There are millions of objectionable things everyone has to see on a daily basis. How do gays top that list? Does us being safer and protected from harm diminish the quality of straight people's lives? Apparently the homophobic misanthropes need the right to bash us and kill us without any consequences. Freedom, hah.

    Homosexuality is a sin. Any sin is considered a temptation. In other words, homosexuality is inherently attractive to the fundamentalist mind. If you listen to their rants, they go on and on about how men get "addicted" to dick (well duh!), how compelling the "lifestyle" is, blah blah blah. If you read the rants of the early Christians after viewing pagan sexual rites, you get the identical impression.

    So, homosexuality's presence without condemnation is really experienced by fundies as a challenge, especially to their weak-willed children who ain't yet quite learned that loving for pure pleasure is a quick route to hell.
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    May 23, 2008 4:44 AM GMT
    obscenewish saidHomosexuality is a sin. Any sin is considered a temptation. In other words, homosexuality is inherently attractive to the fundamentalist mind.
    Besides that there is the power of the fear factor. Sometimes an "imminent" threat, or common enemy is needed to rally humans together. Hmm, a Phantom Menace. For some reason this sounds familiar.

    As far as the principal and the school, all is well that ends well.
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    May 23, 2008 5:14 AM GMT
    jprichva...no party spoiled here. Indeed, that course is not only challenging and enjoyable, it also forces students to think through complex processes and may very well hone the problem-solving and deduction skills necessary in college and beyond. However, calculus just happened to be the first subject to come to mind that has had no real-life application for me post-high school.

    My point would've been better made had I thought of something else that serves no purpose in life, like memorizing 50 digits of pi.
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    May 23, 2008 5:46 AM GMT
    "They" were afraid of the pagans - so they purged them; "They" were afraid of Africa - so they enslaved them; "They" were afraid of Asia - so they imprisoned them; "They" were afraid of India - so they incorporated them.

    They continue to worship
    They were given back their stolen rights
    They were freed
    They are adapting and exceeding "us"

    and us?

    "We" are (what I hope to be) the last captive held in on a chain of oppression ignorance misconception anger or fear (whatever the "logic" "they" apply).

    At the very least - one more rung has dropped out from that still hugely gross linkage and the students of the school won't be locked under such a principle - they will (with any hope) be more accepting and not grow with the values of that Principle ingrained.

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    May 23, 2008 5:49 AM GMT
    Wysiwyg60 said[quote][cite]MunchingZombie said[/cite]Oh, silly me. Here I thought schools were all about meeting a students needs. Turns out it is about the principle and the parents need to have their backwards values validated.


    Students needs? Ha, I was busy trying to avoid the public school teacher's yardstick, or cramming for exams on subjects I would never use in the outside world.

    If education was about teaching students what they need to know to cope with life, I could think of several subjects that should be taught but are not, like personal financial management, cooking (including a proper diet), and (god forbid) sex education.

    Don't even get me started on the public education system.[/quote]

    Yeah, financial management, cooking, etc., these are all good things for students to learn but seriously what purpose does it really fulfill in producing educated and literate(the key word)students. Teaching what is simply needed to cope with in life creates mediocre students, not the critical thinkers that are needed to build and lead our society.
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    May 23, 2008 6:53 AM GMT
    As I mentioned to a friend earlier while discussing this story, the guy should really just never go outside again. After all, we fags have been known to congregate in groups in public and that might offend his deeply held religious beliefs.

    Agoraphobia: now for fundamentalists too!
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    May 23, 2008 6:56 AM GMT
    This is the kind of thing that really gets under my skin; bigotry wearing a cloak of rationalism.

    Haven't we always been told to stick up for what we believe in? There are enough stupid people out there to take that first woman's statement as a statement about "standing up for your beliefs."

    People like Fred Phelps make it very easy for the gay community and our straight allies to point out the blatant discrimination that they preach. This principal's message and the first woman's statements are not so radical, and I find it disturbing that this may sway people into following their belief.

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    May 23, 2008 7:28 AM GMT
    The school is better off without him I say.

    He's a freakin' principle for crying out loud and clearly he wasn't able to do his job as one if he let something like an innocent club meant to teach and promote a healthy understanding of the gay world to the straight world to lessen hate and discrimination.

    As the young highschool girl said "The club is here to make everyone feel more comfortable."

    As a principle he should have encouraged the club and supported it. Instead, he put his personal and religious beliefs ahead of his students, teachers, and the community and in doing so they now know he's not capable of doing his job and that closested ugly side came burning brighter then the sun.

    The school and the community do not need someone like that there.
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    May 23, 2008 7:37 AM GMT
    This has been the most uplifting thread I've read in days. Thanks, guys...you're all leaders.
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    May 23, 2008 11:08 AM GMT
    good let the moron resign, the school is better off without him

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    May 23, 2008 3:23 PM GMT
    parents are too focused on "protecting" their kids and reinforcing their "values." They're not bringing these students up to actually think about things. I went to a private school, a very progressive one at that, so we didn't really have these issues.

    i think the education system is just too focused on memorization and regurgitation anyway. there's no focus on critical thinking or reasoning ability anymore it seems. meanwhile, parents are trying to shelter these kids from anything they feel doesn't reinforce their own beliefs regardless of whether or not they'll actually encounter it in the outside world.

    whats funny is these kids are sheltered from the evils of the gays at school..then they go home and smoke pot and play gta on their play stations icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 23, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    BurayanLV said[quote][cite]Wysiwyg60 said[/cite][quote][cite]MunchingZombie said[/cite]Oh, silly me. Here I thought schools were all about meeting a students needs. Turns out it is about the principle and the parents need to have their backwards values validated.


    Students needs? Ha, I was busy trying to avoid the public school teacher's yardstick, or cramming for exams on subjects I would never use in the outside world.

    If education was about teaching students what they need to know to cope with life, I could think of several subjects that should be taught but are not, like personal financial management, cooking (including a proper diet), and (god forbid) sex education.

    Don't even get me started on the public education system.[/quote]

    Yeah, financial management, cooking, etc., these are all good things for students to learn but seriously what purpose does it really fulfill in producing educated and literate(the key word)students. Teaching what is simply needed to cope with in life creates mediocre students, not the critical thinkers that are needed to build and lead our society.[/quote]

    I would never suggest people don't need to become literate or educated, but the majority of people will never become critical thinkers or leaders in our society anyways. We send them out into the world with neither good basics in literacy and numeracy or practical life skills, so they are basically f**ked.