Obama Honors South Korean President with Japanese Food

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    Oct 14, 2011 9:21 PM GMT
    Add this to the list of "smart diplomacy" in the Obama Administration.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/280099/obama-honors-south-korean-president-japanese-food

    What’s next? German beer for when Netanyahu visits? Does the President of the U.S. not know the history of Japanese atrocities in WWII? Koreans in all 57 states would like an explanation.
  • dancedancekj

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    Oct 14, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
    Hah. First of all, this is all, at best, fusion cuisine. "Butternut Squash Bisque, Honey Poached Cranberries, Virginia Cured Ham, Pumpkin Seed Praline, Crème Fraiche Second Course Early Fall Harvest Salad on Daikon Sheets, Masago Rice Pearl Crispies, Rice Wine Vinaigrette Main Course Texas Wagyu Beef, Orange-Ginger Fondue, Sauteed Kale, Roasted Kabocha Squash Dessert Chocolate Malt Devils Food Layers With Pear and Almond Brittle An American wine will be paired with each course." Not a single traditional Japanese or Korean dish at all. To call this even "Asian" would be a far reach, it's mostly Western style cuisine.

    In order to appeal to everyone, the kimchi (fermented cabbage) dwenjang (fermented bean paste) myeoulchi (stir fried dehydrated anchovies) were all probably nixed for fear of offending the lowest common denominator (kimchi and dwenjang for instance, stink to high heaven, even to Koreans), and the fact that Korean cuisine isn't quite trendy yet.

    Lastly, Wagyu is a type of beef, not a Japanese dish, Daikon (무) is used all the time in Korean food, and Kabocha squash is used in dishes such as 호박죽, and I've seen fish roe appear many times in Korean food. Everyone argues over who invented what between the Chinese, Korean, and Japanese culinary traditions. The regions have exchanged food and recipes so frequently that chances are if you find something in one culture you'll find a similar dish in Korea (e.g. sushi and kimbap).

    And now I'm hungry icon_sad.gif

    I kinda wished they had brought some ajumas in to cook for the Korean prez though icon_smile.gif

    "Why does it smell like sour rotten fish in here?" "
    Hey, Meester Oh-Bama, stay out of kitchen, I making big pot of kimchi jigae! Good for digestion"
  • nanidesukedo

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    Oct 14, 2011 9:37 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidHah. First of all, this is all, at best, fusion cuisine. "Butternut Squash Bisque, Honey Poached Cranberries, Virginia Cured Ham, Pumpkin Seed Praline, Crème Fraiche Second Course Early Fall Harvest Salad on Daikon Sheets, Masago Rice Pearl Crispies, Rice Wine Vinaigrette Main Course Texas Wagyu Beef, Orange-Ginger Fondue, Sauteed Kale, Roasted Kabocha Squash Dessert Chocolate Malt Devils Food Layers With Pear and Almond Brittle An American wine will be paired with each course." Not a single traditional Japanese or Korean dish at all. To call this even "Asian" would be a far reach, it's mostly Western style cuisine.

    In order to appeal to everyone, the kimchi (fermented cabbage) dwenjang (fermented bean paste) myeoulchi (stir fried dehydrated anchovies) were all probably nixed for fear of offending the lowest common denominator (kimchi and dwenjang for instance, stink to high heaven, even to Koreans), and the fact that Korean cuisine isn't quite trendy yet.

    Lastly, Wagyu is a type of beef, not a Japanese dish, Daikon (무) is used all the time in Korean food, and Kabocha squash is used in dishes such as 호박죽, and I've seen fish roe appear many times in Korean food. Everyone argues over who invented what between the Chinese, Korean, and Japanese culinary traditions. The regions have exchanged food and recipes so frequently that chances are if you find something in one culture you'll find a similar dish in Korea (e.g. sushi and kimbap).

    And now I'm hungry icon_sad.gif

    I kinda wished they had brought some ajumas in to cook for the Korean prez though icon_smile.gif

    "Why does it smell like sour rotten fish in here?" "
    Hey, Meester Oh-Bama, stay out of kitchen, I making big pot of kimchi jigae! Good for digestion"



    Thank you for posting this, dance. Threads like this is what happens when you only post from awkwardly biased websites.
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    Oct 14, 2011 9:40 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo said
    dancedancekj saidHah. First of all, this is all, at best, fusion cuisine. "Butternut Squash Bisque, Honey Poached Cranberries, Virginia Cured Ham, Pumpkin Seed Praline, Crème Fraiche Second Course Early Fall Harvest Salad on Daikon Sheets, Masago Rice Pearl Crispies, Rice Wine Vinaigrette Main Course Texas Wagyu Beef, Orange-Ginger Fondue, Sauteed Kale, Roasted Kabocha Squash Dessert Chocolate Malt Devils Food Layers With Pear and Almond Brittle An American wine will be paired with each course." Not a single traditional Japanese or Korean dish at all. To call this even "Asian" would be a far reach, it's mostly Western style cuisine.

    In order to appeal to everyone, the kimchi (fermented cabbage) dwenjang (fermented bean paste) myeoulchi (stir fried dehydrated anchovies) were all probably nixed for fear of offending the lowest common denominator (kimchi and dwenjang for instance, stink to high heaven, even to Koreans), and the fact that Korean cuisine isn't quite trendy yet.

    Lastly, Wagyu is a type of beef, not a Japanese dish, Daikon (무) is used all the time in Korean food, and Kabocha squash is used in dishes such as 호박죽, and I've seen fish roe appear many times in Korean food. Everyone argues over who invented what between the Chinese, Korean, and Japanese culinary traditions. The regions have exchanged food and recipes so frequently that chances are if you find something in one culture you'll find a similar dish in Korea (e.g. sushi and kimbap).

    And now I'm hungry icon_sad.gif

    I kinda wished they had brought some ajumas in to cook for the Korean prez though icon_smile.gif

    "Why does it smell like sour rotten fish in here?" "
    Hey, Meester Oh-Bama, stay out of kitchen, I making big pot of kimchi jigae! Good for digestion"



    Thank you for posting this, dance. Threads like this is what happens when you only post from awkwardly biased websites.


    The site is quite clear that the Wagyu beef is from Texas bred from Japanese cattle. This is not the first nor am I guessing the last diplomatic blunder.
  • dancedancekj

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    Oct 14, 2011 9:57 PM GMT
    It's not a diplomatic blunder at all. Wagyu (aka Kobe) beef is all the rage with foodies, because it is the most expensive and best beef out there. One person calls it the "Bentley" of meats.
    These animals are allegedly pampered by having sake rubbed into their coast, their muscles massaged, and fed a very special diet. It has the effect of a very beautiful marbling of fat throughout the meat. The texture is soft and tender, and both the meat and the fat are highly flavorful, a sort of "melt in your mouth" effect. It is, pretty much, the most high quality beef you can buy.

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    I would express outrage at the menu more than anything else. I mean, you could have at least TRIED to have one dish resembling something remotely Asian icon_smile.gif

    They probably served giant steak-like slabs of Wagyu beef, which is not how it's meant to be enjoyed. Barbarians! The best way to serve it up is to slice it thin and cook it until it is just done, and enjoy the perfect mouthful of flavorful muscle and fat just float in your mouth.

    *wipes drool off keyboard*
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    Oct 14, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    He gave British PM DVDs that were locked to the US region. icon_lol.gif

    http://hillbuzz.org/2009/03/08/here-are-the-dvds-obama-gave-to-gordon-brown/
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    Oct 14, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
    Oh, he is from Kenya or Indonesia or Hawaii or some other foreign shithole so what can you really expect, right?
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    Oct 14, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidIt's not a diplomatic blunder at all.


    While the beef is amazing, have a look at other state dinners and menus relative to the visiting countries. This menu was not picked randomly and the message being sent, diplomacy being what it is, is not a good one.
  • dancedancekj

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    Oct 14, 2011 10:50 PM GMT


    While it looks like they're pretty clueless in terms of actual Korean food (it's laughable, really) I don't think they were intentionally trying to offend anyone. They were more focused on the locally grown ingredients from what I see.

    I will agree, there have been a lot of diplomatic fuckups (that DVD one was like *facepalm*) but I wouldn't necessarily count this as one of them. The Korean prez probably didn't even notice.
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    Oct 14, 2011 10:50 PM GMT
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    dancedancekj saidIt's not a diplomatic blunder at all.


    While the beef is amazing, have a look at other state dinners and menus relative to the visiting countries. This menu was not picked randomly and the message being sent, diplomacy being what it is, is not a good one.


    Oh give it up. You were just pwned again.
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    Isn't it time you guys all got mad and went away again?

    I missed it last time, darnit.

    It must have been nice. I wish I'd been here to provide some discussion topics without the barrage of disinformation, illogic and obfuscation of the conservaposse.
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    Oct 15, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    dancedancekj said

    While it looks like they're pretty clueless in terms of actual Korean food (it's laughable, really) I don't think they were intentionally trying to offend anyone. They were more focused on the locally grown ingredients from what I see.

    I will agree, there have been a lot of diplomatic fuckups (that DVD one was like *facepalm*) but I wouldn't necessarily count this as one of them. The Korean prez probably didn't even notice.


    No - I don't think they intentionally tried to offend anyone - but part of meme that the Obama Administration was keen to encourage was the idea that they would come to office and be more intelligent about things like diplomacy. One sends subtle messages all the time and when it comes to government relations, much symbolism goes into these things.

    Look at how well the US Ambassador to China has been received by your average Chinese citizen because he was caught on camera buying Starbucks attempting to use coupons of all things and carrying his own bags. The symbolism matters in diplomacy.