A quick question about the Paleo Diet...

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    Oct 15, 2011 11:20 PM GMT
    I have seen several comments on here about the paleo diet. I have purchased the book and have been reading through it because like many, I have some trouble spots where the flab is not going away...

    So, I have a couple of general questions from those who have used this diet...

    I have lost weight using low-carb diets before. They put your body into ketosis and you have to measure your ketones by peeing on a stick to make sure your body doesn't go too high into ketosis.

    Because of the Atkins - type of low-carb diet I did years ago, I do have some sort of liver thing that shows up on tests - which the doctors say isn't a really big deal, but something I should watch.

    Since that time, any time I try to go on a low-car Atkins-type of diet, I get really, really sick.

    I haven't seen anything about this in the book so far. I have skimmed through it.

    Thanks.

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    Oct 18, 2011 2:16 AM GMT
    Everyone's different. For me, starches dysregulate my appetite and drive me to overeat. But, if I try to go into ketosis, I get brain-splitting headaches. Fortunately, I only need to go low-ish carb, no starch in order to keep my appetite in check.
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    Oct 18, 2011 2:35 AM GMT
    Don't let your mouth write a check your liver and kidneys can't cash. Ketones produced are produced via lypolysis in response to a depleted glycogen level in the liver and muscles. Balancing fats, protein, and carbs from fruits, veggies and nuts will keep that metabolic pathway from being overused in healthy liver and kidneys.

    You don't have to eat enormous quantities of protein, which can complicate already compromised liver and kidney function. What I've taken away from what I've read on the subject is: lost of veggies, some protein with every meal, fruit for some oomph, and good fats eg. coconut, top shelf olive oil, ect. Eliminate: beans, grains, and dairy (I gotta have my H&H creamer though dammit). The "lifestlye change" centers around 'hormone control': insulin and cortisol, PYY, I'm sure your book goes into this.

    I would talk with my doctor considering your history, maybe set up an liver and renal function tests every so often while you're following a paleo program.

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    Oct 18, 2011 2:49 AM GMT
    I love paleo. The one thing - and it's already been touched on - to be careful of is to watch your protein intake. It's very easy to eat too much meat and not enough veggies. Make sure your variety is coming predominantly from veggies and get sugar from fruit, nuts, and seeds. The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf is a good book to start with.

    Re: low-carb and getting sick - the paleo diet isn't really low-carb - it's low-starch. I do 80% paleo, so I do eat carbs from time to time and will usually stick to small amounts of rice, oats, and barley. I don't eat wheat...ever.
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    Oct 18, 2011 3:51 AM GMT
    I could use some help from this thread. I've being doing CrossFit training for over a month and all they recommend is Paleo diet, but I still have my doubts about it.

    Regarding to my diet, I don't do rice or potatoes or white bread or pasta. I substituted this with whole wheat bread, sweet potatoes (once or twice a week) and quinua (good substitute for rice with higher content of fibber and protein). I don't do any added sugar, only home-made fruit juice. I eat oatmeal every day for the fibber. I'm really good with veggies and salads. I drink veggie juice before running in the mornings. I drink MILK and plain YOGURT, specially for my smothies after working out (banana+berries+oatmeal+milk).

    I'm slim, getting to the point of being slightly defined, but I always get stuck in this point. I don't want to gain to much weight because I actually like my frame.

    Sometimes I run out of ideas of what to eat and I find myself a little bit hungry before going to bed. I'm really rigorous in my running and crossfit training, I want to run a marathon but I don't wanna be skinny like the marathon runners.

    Questions:

    Did quitting dairy really made a big difference? I'm concern for Calcium intake. I've always drank milk.

    I now some people give up fruit juice, but what ab out the vitamins? I do eat bread in the mornings and for snacks (PBJ)

    Different source of protein? I know Paleo says no grain, but what about beans?? They are a good source of protein. I eat meat every day but sometimes I feel like I need a brake.
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    Oct 18, 2011 4:04 AM GMT
    ronaldinho saidI could use some help from this thread. I've being doing CrossFit training for over a month and all they recommend is Paleo diet, but I still have my doubts about it.



    Questions:

    Did quitting dairy really made a big difference? I'm concern for Calcium intake. I've always drank milk. [Dairy is not the only source of calcium, green leafy veggies are an excellent source.]

    I now some people give up fruit juice, but what ab out the vitamins? I do eat bread in the mornings and for snacks (PBJ) [The juice sounds delicious, and if you're active no big deal. Good jump start. As for the bread...Imma say no!]

    Different source of protein? I know Paleo says no grain, but what about beans?? They are a good source of protein. I eat meat every day but sometimes I feel like I need a brake.[The material I've read cites antinutrative substances in beans like those in grains, and the glycemic load is nothing to scoff at, but if you're active I really don't see a problem. Someone like me who's only moderately active on a good week would do poorly with such additions. Nuts if you like them, I couldn't get by without some almonds at some point in the day.]
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    Oct 19, 2011 10:46 AM GMT
    @ Rodcet...

    I have been out of town for a couple of days on business and was unable to check in. You asked what my diagnosis with my liver was. I have Gilbert's Syndrome. It is increased biliruben in my liver.

    They told me there was nothing I can do and it's no big deal. I have read about it on the internet, and there are some symptoms it presents, but it's generic symptoms that you can explain away by other things, too. I am convinced that I started to test positive for that after low-carb dieting. I believe my ketones started going too high.

    I have read through most of the book now and I believe that I will give this a try. I may make some modifications of my own. I live in a small town in the south and the availability of some things is just going to be a challenge - so I am likely going to have to pull in some things to help me along.

    I also have to watch my budget. This kind of diet can end up being a bit expensive.

    Thanks everyone for your comments.

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    Oct 19, 2011 6:06 PM GMT
    onaquest870 said [@ Rodcet...Gilbert's Syndrome]


    Thanks I always enjoy looking up stuff that's new to me.


    onaquest870 saidI have read through most of the book now and I believe that I will give this a try.




    Good for you! It's a lot of fun, especially the vegetables I didn't know half of them even existed.

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    Oct 19, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    (1) there are several versions of paleo. Some are absurd (only eat what a caveman actually could have eaten eg no olive oil as they didn´t have presses, some are pedantic and others more realistic. I do the Robb WOlf version which is very pragmatic.

    (2) Paleo is not intrinsically low carb. It is no grain, no dairy, no legumes. You can get lots of carbs from tubers and roots.

    (3) Paleo means i don´t ever get crazy hungry any more. I used to crash at certain points and have an absolute NEED for food NOW. This doesn´t happen on paleo

    (4) Cheat days miss the point in a big way. The issue is not to cut out carbs. The point is that certain foods create systemic inflammation in the body and trigger unhelpful hormone responses because our bodies did not evolve eating them. There are foods we did not evolve eating which dont damage us (olive oil) which we can eat. If a food doesn´t have a bad effect on you, you can eat it.

    When the point is that food damages you by eating it then you DON¨T want a day a week when you do that. It will not help.

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    Oct 20, 2011 11:18 AM GMT
    I don't know before about Paleo Diet, but now i know many things about
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    Oct 20, 2011 1:07 PM GMT
    onaquest870 saidSince that time, any time I try to go on a low-car Atkins-type of diet, I get really, really sick.


    Paleo made me really sick too. I felt terrible, and was somewhat dysfunctional. Then I discovered that I MUST HAVE STARCH, at least a little. Not a lot. Just a little. Every meal I have a small portion of a Paleo starch (sweet potato, acorn squash, spaghetti squash, japanese pumpkin, parsnips, yucca, butternut). Have gotten good at making these starches easily and in quantity, so that I can eat them for days before having to make more. With a little starch, in combinations with fresh or cooked veggies and a big helping of meat, I feel great.

    Also, to prevent that sickly feeling, make sure you are eating enough good fat -- extra virgin olive oil and organic coconut oil. Organic coconut milk is awesome too. I smother everything in good fats, especially with breakfast when packing plenty of calories to face a busy day.

    In spite of the paleo starch and paleo fat, I have maintained muscle mass, with no extra effort, while losing unwanted body fat.

    Have been on the diet for about 5 months. The reason I went on this diet is to see if it would help with digestion (has helped GREATLY) and colitis (has helped somewhat).
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    Oct 23, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
    I'm a few days in now and I have seen the scale move. This is good because I am now 9 pounds away from hitting the 100 pound mark. icon_biggrin.gif


    I am afraid my biggest challenge is affording all the extra groceries...

    What I think I need now is some sharing of recipes. Which I know is not what this site is for, but hey, it won't hurt to ask.

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    Oct 23, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    onaquest870 saidI'm a few days in now and I have seen the scale move. This is good because I am now 9 pounds away from hitting the 100 pound mark. icon_biggrin.gif


    I am afraid my biggest challenge is affording all the extra groceries...

    What I think I need now is some sharing of recipes. Which I know is not what this site is for, but hey, it won't hurt to ask.

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    Congrats! I like going to my local flea market for veggies. I find it's often a lot cheaper than the grocery. I go to Tampa/St. Pete markets for fish/seafood, or just to fish and have someone else cook it for me icon_biggrin.gif. I have a Filipino friend in St. Pete who's mom can do amazing things with fish. I've also been eating a lot of canned fish: kippers, sardines, pulpo (octopus its delicious).

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    Oct 23, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, I live in a small town in the south and I am limited to the likes of Wal-Mart. During the summer months, I can buy fresh things from farmer's markets, but it's past that season now.

    I may have to modify the diet a bit from its intent, but I do like the idea of clean eating and not eating processed items. It will ultimately make me much healthier.

    Oh, and thanks for the link. I will be looking at the recipes.
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    Nov 01, 2011 11:17 AM GMT
    I thought I would post a quick update.

    I tried the paleo for a week. It is a good diet; however, it doesn't really fit in with my life at the moment. I am running a hectic schedule and I am not nearly organized enough in my personal life to keep up with the cooking, cleaning, and grocery shopping this entails. icon_sad.gif

    So, with the holidays approaching, I am shifting my focus to losing the last 4 pounds, shifting my workout from morning to afternoons, and just maintaining where I'm at. In January, I will have a new teaching schedule and a new routine to master, so then, I will refocus my efforts on getting the last bit of weight off and getting myself in shape for summer.

    I think it's do-able because I lost all of this weight in about 5.5 months.

    Thanks for all your advice and support along this journey.
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    Nov 01, 2011 11:57 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said And what's weird, is I notice a real attraction to orange and purple foods....l.


    OO YEAH.. carrots, oranges, grapefruits, lemme at em