Journolist 2.0: Occupy Wall Street Emails Show MSM, Dylan Ratigan, Working With Protesters To Craft Message

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    Oct 17, 2011 4:27 PM GMT
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    http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/10/16/journolist-2-0-occupydc-emails-show-msm-dylan-ratigan-working-with-protesters-to-craft-message/

    Big Journalism has learned that the Occupy Washington DC movement is working with well-known media members to craft its demands and messaging while these media members report on the movement. Someone has made the emails from the Occupy Wall Street email distro public and searchable. The names in the list are a veritable who’s who in media.

    Journolist 2.0 includes well known names such as MSNBC’s Dylan Ratigan, Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi who both are actively participating; involvement from other listers such as Bill Moyers and Glenn Greenwald plus well-known radicals like Noam Chomsky, remains unclear. The list also includes a number of radical organizers, such as Kevin Zeese.

    In these emails we see MSNBC’s Ratigan, hawking his book in the footnotes, instructing occupiers on how properly to present their demands and messages while simultaneously appearing on television reporting “objectively” on the story (when he’s not taking part in the protests himself as content.)
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    Oct 17, 2011 7:49 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidShhhhhh...... icon_wink.gif


    My guess is that coverage will be minimal.... these people should be fired. Of course they should have been fired after Journolist 1.0
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    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/why-occupy-wall-street-is-bigger-than-left-vs-right-20111017

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    Oct 17, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    First of all, Dylan Ratigan is not really a journalist, nor does he purport to be. He is a pundit and talk show host. Unlike his "peers" on Faux News, he does not present himself as impartial. Neither does Matt Taibi, who would more appropriately be seen as a muckraker with an agenda of exposing the corruption and anti-democratic actions of the investment bankers. Similar assessments are true of Bill Moyers, Glenn Greenwald, etc.

    Second, that you cite Andrew Brietbart's website - after numerous instances in which he has been proven to be a stunning and unequivocal liar - is the most hilarious example of hypocrisy from you thus far.

    Third, given that the Koch brothers (and others) regularly hold secret confabs for right-wing journalists, activists, elected officials and even Supreme Court justices, at most this is a situation in which was is good for the goose etc.
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, Dylan Ratigan is not really a journalist, nor does he purport to be. He is a pundit and talk show host. Unlike his "peers" on Faux News, he does not present himself as impartial. Neither does Matt Taibi, who would more appropriately be seen as a muckraker with an agenda of exposing the corruption and anti-democratic actions of the investment bankers. Similar assessments are true of Bill Moyers, Glenn Greenwald, etc.

    Second, that you cite Andrew Brietbart's website - after numerous instances in which he has been proven to be a stunning and unequivocal liar - is the most hilarious example of hypocrisy from you thus far.

    Third, given that the Koch brothers (and others) regularly hold secret confabs for right-wing journalists, activists, elected officials and even Supreme Court justices, at most this is a situation in which was is good for the goose etc.


    Except that ultimately he's been proven right in many of those cases - and the liars have been shown to be the extremists you seem to read and support. Figures you'd defend this though. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, Dylan Ratigan is not really a journalist, nor does he purport to be. He is a pundit and talk show host. Unlike his "peers" on Faux News, he does not present himself as impartial. Neither does Matt Taibi, who would more appropriately be seen as a muckraker with an agenda of exposing the corruption and anti-democratic actions of the investment bankers. Similar assessments are true of Bill Moyers, Glenn Greenwald, etc.

    Second, that you cite Andrew Brietbart's website - after numerous instances in which he has been proven to be a stunning and unequivocal liar - is the most hilarious example of hypocrisy from you thus far.

    Third, given that the Koch brothers (and others) regularly hold secret confabs for right-wing journalists, activists, elected officials and even Supreme Court justices, at most this is a situation in which was is good for the goose etc.


    Except that ultimately he's been proven right in many of those cases - and the liars have been shown to be the extremists you seem to read and support. Figures you'd defend this though. icon_rolleyes.gif


    One example where Brietbart was correct? Just one.

    And his dissembling after the Sherrod case doesn't count.
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    riddler78 saidOops.

    http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/10/16/journolist-2-0-occupydc-emails-show-msm-dylan-ratigan-working-with-protesters-to-craft-message/

    Big Journalism has learned that the Occupy Washington DC movement is working with well-known media members to craft its demands and messaging while these media members report on the movement. Someone has made the emails from the Occupy Wall Street email distro public and searchable. The names in the list are a veritable who’s who in media.

    Journolist 2.0 includes well known names such as MSNBC’s Dylan Ratigan, Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi who both are actively participating; involvement from other listers such as Bill Moyers and Glenn Greenwald plus well-known radicals like Noam Chomsky, remains unclear. The list also includes a number of radical organizers, such as Kevin Zeese.

    In these emails we see MSNBC’s Ratigan, hawking his book in the footnotes, instructing occupiers on how properly to present their demands and messages while simultaneously appearing on television reporting “objectively” on the story (when he’s not taking part in the protests himself as content.)


    Oops ... is right

    You cited a Breitbart ... you need to excuse yourself when you do that
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    Christian73 said
    One example where Brietbart was correct? Just one.

    And his dissembling after the Sherrod case doesn't count.


    He's got a track record no worse or better than, oh, say CBS News for example.



    Prove it. Let's see numbers or is this just another one of your lies? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 said
    One example where Brietbart was correct? Just one.

    And his dissembling after the Sherrod case doesn't count.


    He's got a track record no worse or better than, oh, say CBS News for example.



    Prove it. Let's see numbers or is this just another one of your lies? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Curious - did I miss something or didn't a lot of ACORN employees get convicted of voter fraud?

    The circus around their pimp funding was just that - a circus. And there were no specific allegations of wrongdoing but rather just how porous their vetting process was.
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    Oct 17, 2011 10:16 PM GMT
    Ummmm .... he's currently being sued by Shirley Sherrod

    For his intrepid journalism

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    Oct 17, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    One example where Brietbart was correct? Just one.

    And his dissembling after the Sherrod case doesn't count.


    He's got a track record no worse or better than, oh, say CBS News for example.



    Prove it. Let's see numbers or is this just another one of your lies? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Curious - did I miss something or didn't a lot of ACORN employees get convicted of voter fraud?

    The circus around their pimp funding was just that - a circus. And there were no specific allegations of wrongdoing but rather just how porous their vetting process was.


    The ACORN "scandal" was driven by the implication that James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles showed up dressed as a pimp and prostitute and had ACORN employees give them advice on how to manage underage sex slaves. It is true that some ACORN employees answered their questions and advised them that what they were doing was illegal. Those employees were rightly fired.

    But independent investigations by Proskauer Rose, The CA Attorney General, Congressional Research Service and NY AG found no systemic wrong doing. The GAO later found that none of the federal money given to ACORN was ever improperly spent.

    In fact, questions arose as to whether O'Keefe and Giles had violated privacy laws by filming without consent.

    With respect to allegations of voter fraud, those are patently false and have never been proven by any government or private entity. In fact, FactCheck.org sums it up thus:

    FactCheck.orgIn another attempt to paint groups and people with whom Obama has some connection in as unsavory a light as possible, McCain has gone after the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. And we’ve gone after him, for an ad accusing the group of "massive voter fraud" and for saying in the final presidential debate that ACORN is "now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."

    Both claims are breathtakingly inaccurate. There’s a huge difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud. And while ACORN, which hires part-time, $8-an-hour canvassers to go door-to-door and register people to vote, has had widespread problems with phony registrations invented by employees who don’t want to work, the problem has never been that it sent people to the polls using bogus identities or to vote in any other fraudulent manner. Even the Republican prosecutor of the largest ACORN case to date said the shenanigans of ACORN workers were "not intended to permit illegal voting."
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    One example where Brietbart was correct? Just one.

    And his dissembling after the Sherrod case doesn't count.


    He's got a track record no worse or better than, oh, say CBS News for example.



    Prove it. Let's see numbers or is this just another one of your lies? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Curious - did I miss something or didn't a lot of ACORN employees get convicted of voter fraud?

    The circus around their pimp funding was just that - a circus. And there were no specific allegations of wrongdoing but rather just how porous their vetting process was.


    The ACORN "scandal" was driven by the implication that James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles showed up dressed as a pimp and prostitute and had ACORN employees give them advice on how to manage underage sex slaves. It is true that some ACORN employees answered their questions and advised them that what they were doing was illegal. Those employees were rightly fired.

    But independent investigations by Proskauer Rose, The CA Attorney General, Congressional Research Service and NY AG found no systemic wrong doing. The GAO later found that none of the federal money given to ACORN was ever improperly spent.

    In fact, questions arose as to whether O'Keefe and Giles had violated privacy laws by filming without consent.

    With respect to allegations of voter fraud, those are patently false and have never been proven by any government or private entity. In fact, FactCheck.org sums it up thus:

    FactCheck.orgIn another attempt to paint groups and people with whom Obama has some connection in as unsavory a light as possible, McCain has gone after the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. And we’ve gone after him, for an ad accusing the group of "massive voter fraud" and for saying in the final presidential debate that ACORN is "now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."

    Both claims are breathtakingly inaccurate. There’s a huge difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud. And while ACORN, which hires part-time, $8-an-hour canvassers to go door-to-door and register people to vote, has had widespread problems with phony registrations invented by employees who don’t want to work, the problem has never been that it sent people to the polls using bogus identities or to vote in any other fraudulent manner. Even the Republican prosecutor of the largest ACORN case to date said the shenanigans of ACORN workers were "not intended to permit illegal voting."


    As noted - it was a circus - showing how ridiculously lax their policies were. If they did nothing wrong why did Acorn almost consistently and immediately fire those who were in the videos? Did they not believe their own staff? Especially as the videos were being released in their full form?

    Likewise for Sherrod - the irony is that the President of the NAACP was actually at the speech she gave.

    Figures you'd dismiss silly voter registration fraud offenses as being minor considering how pervasive the problem was.
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    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    One example where Brietbart was correct? Just one.

    And his dissembling after the Sherrod case doesn't count.


    He's got a track record no worse or better than, oh, say CBS News for example.



    Prove it. Let's see numbers or is this just another one of your lies? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Curious - did I miss something or didn't a lot of ACORN employees get convicted of voter fraud?

    The circus around their pimp funding was just that - a circus. And there were no specific allegations of wrongdoing but rather just how porous their vetting process was.


    The ACORN "scandal" was driven by the implication that James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles showed up dressed as a pimp and prostitute and had ACORN employees give them advice on how to manage underage sex slaves. It is true that some ACORN employees answered their questions and advised them that what they were doing was illegal. Those employees were rightly fired.

    But independent investigations by Proskauer Rose, The CA Attorney General, Congressional Research Service and NY AG found no systemic wrong doing. The GAO later found that none of the federal money given to ACORN was ever improperly spent.

    In fact, questions arose as to whether O'Keefe and Giles had violated privacy laws by filming without consent.

    With respect to allegations of voter fraud, those are patently false and have never been proven by any government or private entity. In fact, FactCheck.org sums it up thus:

    FactCheck.orgIn another attempt to paint groups and people with whom Obama has some connection in as unsavory a light as possible, McCain has gone after the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. And we’ve gone after him, for an ad accusing the group of "massive voter fraud" and for saying in the final presidential debate that ACORN is "now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."

    Both claims are breathtakingly inaccurate. There’s a huge difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud. And while ACORN, which hires part-time, $8-an-hour canvassers to go door-to-door and register people to vote, has had widespread problems with phony registrations invented by employees who don’t want to work, the problem has never been that it sent people to the polls using bogus identities or to vote in any other fraudulent manner. Even the Republican prosecutor of the largest ACORN case to date said the shenanigans of ACORN workers were "not intended to permit illegal voting."


    As noted - it was a circus - showing how ridiculously lax their policies were. If they did nothing wrong why did Acorn almost consistently and immediately fire those who were in the videos? Did they not believe their own staff? Especially as the videos were being released in their full form?

    Likewise for Sherrod - the irony is that the President of the NAACP was actually at the speech she gave.

    Figures you'd dismiss silly voter registration fraud offenses as being minor considering how pervasive the problem was.


    What voter registration fraud? The real issue is voter SUPPRESSION
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    riddler78 saidAs noted - it was a circus - showing how ridiculously lax their policies were. If they did nothing wrong why did Acorn almost consistently and immediately fire those who were in the videos? Did they not believe their own staff? Especially as the videos were being released in their full form?

    Likewise for Sherrod - the irony is that the President of the NAACP was actually at the speech she gave.

    Figures you'd dismiss silly voter registration fraud offenses as being minor considering how pervasive the problem was.


    Just another glaring example of your rank hypocrisy. No one from any bank should be frog-marched out for epic and stunning fraud that has harmed millions of American families and disrupted our financial system, but ACORN did something wrong? Please.... icon_rolleyes.gif

    Unlike the banks, fraud was not a systemic part of ACORN's operations, which is what no less than five independent investigations found. Voter registration fraud has no impact on elections, unlike the coordinated actions of Republican governors and legislatures to suppress the votes of African Americans, the poor, students and the elderly.

    Unlike the banks, ACORN took immediate and decisive action to remove those among its large staff who were engaged in illegal activities and, even, improprieties. That's what honest, ethical people do. So you - and your Canadian passport - can suck it. icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 18, 2011 9:54 AM GMT
    The most widespread hurdle has been the demand for photo identification at the polls, a departure from the longstanding practice of using voters’ signatures or household identification like a utility bill. Seven states this year have passed laws requiring strict photo ID to vote, and similar measures were introduced in 27 other states. More than 21 million citizens — 11 percent of the population — do not have government ID cards. Many of them are poor, or elderly, or black and Hispanic and could have a hard time navigating the bureaucracy to get a card.

    In Kansas, the secretary of state, Kris Kobach (who also wrote Arizona’s notorious anti-immigrant law), pushed for an ID law on the basis of a list of 221 reported instances of voter fraud in Kansas since 1997. Even if that were true, it would be an infinitesimal percentage of the votes cast during that period, but it is not true.

    When The Wichita Eagle looked into the local cases on the list, the newspaper found that almost all were honest mistakes: a parent trying to vote for a student away at college, or signatures on mail-in ballots that didn’t precisely match those on file. In one case of supposed “fraud,” a confused non-citizen was asked at the motor vehicles bureau whether she wanted to fill out a voter registration form, and did so not realizing she was ineligible to vote.

    GOP officials are standing in the precinct doors, pointing to a problem that doesn’t exist.

    It’s a thin pretense for an undemocratic scheme. The result is a new system that will likely keep 5 million Americans from participating in the next election.

    It’s arguably the nation’s most important political scandal — and most of the country has never heard a word about it.