Evil, thy name is carbohydrate

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    Oct 17, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    Dear obvious carbohydrates

    It's not you; it's me. You are much too much of a good thing for me!

    I know, we've had fun times together. But I just don't have a metabolic rate to match all the indulgence you've brought into my life. A bite of you in biscuit form, and do you have any idea how much cardio I have to do to maintain the definition I have?

    Please no... Don't say that... This has nothing to do with Lean Protein and his rippling biceps, or Antioxidants and his washboard abs, or my brief flings with Filling Fibre, Fatty Acid, Mineral or Vitamin. Nothing to do with Water either... It's just that... Well, babe, let's face it -- you've got baggage! You ARE baggage! Literally!

    You play around with my insulin, carbs. And that's just not fair; you know how vulnerable my love handles are to your lovin'. It's not right. Your GI is, well, it's too high for me! I can't possibly afford to maintain my relationship with you.

    Maybe in a different life... If you were less of an issue for my (literal, bodily) tissue ... If I were less susceptible to getting fat... You and I could make it work.

    But we can't.

    So, so long.
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    Oct 17, 2011 9:16 PM GMT
    I turn into a cranky bitch without my carbs.
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  • Vaughn

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    Oct 17, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    Skhokho1987 saidDear obvious carbohydrates

    It's not you; it's me. You are much too much of a good thing for me!

    I know, we've had fun times together. But I just don't have a metabolic rate to match all the indulgence you've brought into my life. A bite of you in biscuit form, and do you have any idea how much cardio I have to do to maintain the definition I have?

    Please no... Don't say that... This has nothing to do with Lean Protein and his rippling biceps, or Antioxidants and his washboard abs, or my brief flings with Filling Fibre, Fatty Acid, Mineral or Vitamin. Nothing to do with Water either... It's just that... Well, babe, let's face it -- you've got baggage! You ARE baggage! Literally!

    You play around with my insulin, carbs. And that's just not fair; you know how vulnerable my love handles are to your lovin'. It's not right. Your GI is, well, it's too high for me! I can't possibly afford to maintain my relationship with you.

    Maybe in a different life... If you were less of an issue for my (literal, bodily) tissue ... If I were less susceptible to getting fat... You and I could make it work.

    But we can't.

    So, so long.


    It's the only thing keeping me from withering away.
  • a303guy

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    Oct 17, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
    Carbs have been my dietary downfall since the beginning of time. i love me some bread. especially after 6PM. arrrrgh. but i'm getting better with it in my old age. thankfully.
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    Oct 17, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
    it´s not so much carbs as grains and wheat which is the devil´s nail clippings
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    Oct 17, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
    Yams make everything better. They're officially stamped as good carbs too.
  • a303guy

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    Oct 17, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidYams make everything better. They're officially stamped as good carbs too.


    However, candied yams are what you REALLY want. and they are evil. esp with marshmallows. ugh.
  • xysx

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    Oct 17, 2011 10:53 PM GMT
    clarify for me. grains also have protein, fiber, etc. When not going hogwild on the bleached wheat, but rather doing triticale, oats, & some of the more"ancient grains", why are they the bad guys? And if so, what shoudl I replace my morning 7grain oatmeal with, or the first of my two lunches that has the dark rye bread with turkey? On a concentrated carb approach, I would think it better to go without, say, the papaya/mango/pineappple, or other fruit dumped in a pre-post workout protien shake. set me straight.
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    Oct 17, 2011 11:11 PM GMT
    Food is a math and hunger game. Our common goal? Lots of muscle and little body fat! Here are the game rules:

    - All food has a numerical calorie value.

    - If you eat more calories than you burn, you gain fat. FAT GAME OVER.

    - If you eat fewer calories than your body requires to sustain muscle mass and provide it energy to, you know, live, your body will enter starvation and start burning off your muscle while preserving body fat. SKINNY FAT GAME OVER.

    - The hungrier you are, the more likely you will over eat.

    - If you eat simple carbs they will be processed quickly, turned into fat, and leave you hungry again soon for more simple carbs. FAT GAME OVER.

    - To build muscle you need food. Eat too much food, though, and the excess will be turned into fat. BEEFY MUSCLE WIN.

    -To lose fat and maintain or gain muscle you need to eat JUST enough food to keep your body metabolism constantly going but not go over the calories or else it'll be turned into fat. It's a very delicate balancing act.

    In conclusion, it's not about carbs. It's about the above.


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    Oct 17, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    There are different kinds of carbs.

    (1) Sweets, including many fruits, are the most fattening and insulin de-stabilizing.

    (2) Starches area a problem for some people, but if you stick with paleo carbs you'll have much better luck (sweet potato, squashes, rutabaga, pumpkin) . Avoid white flour and white potato.

    (3) Veggies are complex carbs but help you to lose weight while gaining tons of great nutrients.

    I MUST have the latter two for sanity and for health.
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    Oct 18, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidIn conclusion, it's not about carbs. It's about the above.


    Perhaps this is the reason why we still have followers of the bulk & cut methods: it's so much simpler than staying on this thin edge.
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    Oct 18, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
    bachian said
    Ariodante saidIn conclusion, it's not about carbs. It's about the above.


    Perhaps this is the reason why we still have followers of the bulk & cut methods: it's so much simpler than staying on this thin edge.


    Well you have theory and then you have real life. It's pretty easy to know the basics (only water! Tons of vegetables! Nothing refined! Lean healthy protein!) and some people SWEAR they are ECSTATIC living with this hyper strict diet (I've done it, and you really do have to pound it into your head you LOVE eating like this and you don't miss delicious fried and sugar laden crap at all. You HAVE to make yourself believe it, otherwise you go insane). Short, goal-oriented bouts are more tolerable (I don't needs abs in the winter, I'll cut down when I go to the beach next summer).

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    Oct 18, 2011 1:12 AM GMT
    Nivek saidThere are different kinds of carbs.

    (1) Sweets, including many fruits, are the most fattening and insulin de-stabilizing.

    (2) Starches area a problem for some people, but if you stick with paleo carbs you'll have much better luck (
    sweet potato, squashes, rutabaga, pumpkin) . Avoid white flour and white potato.

    (3) Veggies are complex carbs but help you to lose weight while gaining tons of great nutrients.

    I MUST have the latter two for sanity and for health.


    Just to point out..... sweet potatoes and yams are not considered a paleo starch. According to the published information on the Paleo lifestyle, no potatoes whatsoever.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Oct 18, 2011 1:13 AM GMT
    What the hell. I had something brilliant and helpful to say on the subject, but you'll never see this so far down the post. Whatever dude. Msg me if you want an anwer to your question.
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    Oct 18, 2011 3:04 AM GMT
    The whole carbs thing is full of shit, I'm sorry but I hate when people bitch about carbs... It's exactly the same as a few years ago when eating too much fat made you fat so everything become non-fat. Firstly, everyone reacts differently to carbs with their insulin levels. And all calories are the same, as stated above, if you only ate 1500 calories all made up of carbs a day your weight loss would be no different to if you ate 1500 worth of protein and fats. The only difference would be you'd have more nutrition in your diet. Unless you're diabetic, you have nothing to worry about. And yes, even if carbs did affect your insulin levels in a way that it would stop your metabolism then their would be alot more fat people. Also, in Australia all our commercial food can be conducted through our health tick meals, as where I work is a big part of that label we now have calories placed against all our products, and they in no way say that carbs are bad for weight loss.
  • Montague

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    Oct 18, 2011 5:35 AM GMT
    Vaughn said

    It's the only thing keeping me from withering away.


    Same here, they make up most of my free food diet, besides salads...without them I'd be living on lettuce and water. icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 18, 2011 5:40 AM GMT
    Kristoff saidThe whole carbs thing is full of shit, I'm sorry but I hate when people bitch about carbs... It's exactly the same as a few years ago when eating too much fat made you fat so everything become non-fat. Firstly, everyone reacts differently to carbs with their insulin levels. And all calories are the same, as stated above, if you only ate 1500 calories all made up of carbs a day your weight loss would be no different to if you ate 1500 worth of protein and fats. The only difference would be you'd have more nutrition in your diet. Unless you're diabetic, you have nothing to worry about. And yes, even if carbs did affect your insulin levels in a way that it would stop your metabolism then their would be alot more fat people. Also, in Australia all our commercial food can be conducted through our health tick meals, as where I work is a big part of that label we now have calories placed against all our products, and they in no way say that carbs are bad for weight loss.



    Well this is a big old crock pot of bullshit I wish I could simmer for 6 hours, eat, and then have it not turn to fat...


    Eating 1 calorie or protein is VERY different from eating 1 calorie of Fat or Cabrs. It takes 70% of the calorie from protein just to digest it, so that's .3 calories left over. That ration is MUSH smaller for fats or carbs, so you end up with more of the whole carb/fat calorie in the end than you do of the protein calorie.

    Also, the Australian Government is now our AUTHORITAE on nutrition? yahok.

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    Skinny Fat LOSE. Or something like that..
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    Oct 18, 2011 5:42 AM GMT
    If you haven't watched the video KardioKing posted above, you need to. It's been one of my favorite videos for years! So funny! It's another jem from Liam, who is the man behind Kelly of "Shoes" fame.
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    Oct 18, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    I hate to point out the obvious, but different bodies work different ways. The only carbohydrates I can get away with eating are low-GI, non-starchy ones. I've observed my body respond to this rule of thumb. Some guys (like my brother) can eat anything in vast quantities.

    I am not one of those guys. I was a fat kid and I learned my lesson. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 18, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
    solaguy saidJust to point out..... sweet potatoes and yams are not considered a paleo starch. According to the published information on the Paleo lifestyle, no potatoes whatsoever.


    No, I've seen sweet potatoes all over the paleo place, and have talked about them on Robb Wolf's forum.

    http://paleodietlifestyle.com/sweet-potato-fries/
    http://www.livingpaleo.com/sweet-potato-bacon-and-egg-salad/
    http://www.livingpaleo.com/meatballs-with-crunchy-sweet-potato-chips/
    http://paleoperiodical.com/2011/09/16/recipe-on-the-fly-chicken-bacon-sweet-potato-hash/
    http://chriskresser.com/sweet-potato-hazelnut-paleo-cake

    And there are hundred more online references.

    And see page 202, Produce section of Robb Wolf's Paleo Solution.