Absolutely abhorrent and sickening lack of morals in the Chinese society...

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    Oct 18, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
    Words fail to encapsulate my disappointment in this apathy. I was always proud of the supposed Asian values even though I'm not from China, but this incident has prompted me to question if they even have a place in the fastest-growing society of today. Only 1 in 20 people appear to have a semblence of conscience...


    The van driver stops for a moment, presumably realising in horror that he has just hit a toddler. Then he drives on – crushing her again beneath his rear wheels.

    What follows is arguably even more horrifying: a dozen passersby ignore two-year-old Yueyue as she lies in agony in a busy market in southern China. Several glance at her bloodied body before continuing, while others walk or wheel around it.

    Their apparent indifference means that she is hit again, by a truck. Surveillance camera footage from the busy wholesale market in Foshan, Guangdong, shows that it takes seven minutes before a woman finally stops to help.

    The young girl's fate has prompted horrified soul searching in China since the images were aired on a local television station. The footage has been watched more than 1.5m times on the popular Youku video sharing site.

    Shanghai Daily reported that the little girl had died of her injuries in hospital after the collision on Thursday, but other state media including the news agency Xinhua said she remained in a deep coma.

    A doctor surnamed Peng told China Daily that medics had declared her braindead on Sunday and she could die at any time. He said at best she would remain in a vegetative state on life support.

    The widespread reluctance to help strangers has already lead to an anguished public debate in the country. Many say they are too scared, blaming extortion attempts by people who have accused Good Samaritans of causing their injuries – and judges who have backed such claims. But some talked of a new moral low after seeing passersby – including a woman holding a small girl by the hand – walk around a two-year-old lying in a pool of blood.

    China Daily claimed that the woman who stopped, a rubbish collector, was even told by shopkeepers to mind her own business when she tried to find out the child's identity.

    Many internet users expressed fury, describing those who ignored Yueyue as less than human. "Where did conscience go … What has happened to the Chinese people?" wrote one, Reissent1987.

    Several pointed out that it was a rubbish collector – among the poorest and often worst-educated members of society – who stopped to help, while others carried on.

    But some said that people should ask themselves how willing they would have been to help before criticising.

    One said that while the footage was heartbreaking he would have been "numb" to Yueyue too. "Would you be willing to throw your entire family's savings into the endless whirlpool of accident compensation? Aren't you afraid of being put into jail as the perpetrator? Have you ever considered that your whole family could lose happiness only because you wanted to be a great soul?" he wrote.

    Chinese media said the two drivers who had hit Yueyue were now in police custody.
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    Oct 18, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
    TheChrisGuy saidhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo7BDbH17qA

    Words fail to encapsulate my disappointment in this apathy. I was always proud of the supposed Asian values even though I'm not from China, but this incident has prompted me to question if they even have a place in the fastest-growing society of today. Only 1 in 20 people appear to have a semblence of conscience...

    I did not read apathy, but fear of being held responsible for their injuries.

    there is surely cultural equivalents to Good Samaritan parables and I find it hard to imagine that one of the oldest civilizations lacks legal codification of such "Good Samaritan" protection in its legal precedents.

    Marxist doctrine is economic so doesn't really codify that kind of thing, but surely Mao must have had something in the Red Book in it that informed a generation.

    But I do not imagine that is on the agenda of totalitarian regimes, as good samaritan protection is not far removed from whistle blower protection and that is just too dangerous a concept for a totalitarian regime to allow to germinate.

    Look away and try not to be noticed is encouraged.

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    Oct 18, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    Personall I felt that the "being held responsible" argument was a flimsy excuse for them to not help. If one had really wanted to help, it would have been easy to call an ambulance and then escape, or simply drag the girl to the side of the road.

    And even if the argument held true, I would've thought basic human decency would automatically override this such that it isn't even a valid consideration - simply because not helping would bring such guilt.

    Or perhaps I just cannot see their rationale from their perspective...
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    Oct 18, 2011 4:20 PM GMT
    I hope they catch the son-of-a-bitch who originally hit the child. If you look closely in the video, it looks like the white van circles back around and comes back to check on what happened to the child just as the one woman is starting to attend to her. Could be a look-a-like van though
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    Oct 18, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidokay, that was effin' awful, but fuck you for blaming an entire people for the actions of one should-be-shot-in-the-head-asswipe. Shit, because Hitler was white, am I part of some "sickening lack of morals in white society"?

    You tar over a billion people because of the actions of one (one we're presuming is Chinese...I can't see in the van.) As a group, my experience is that you couldn't have a better neighbour, friend, confident as an Asian person. In Van, some of the most grounded bestest human beings I know are Chinese...for some, there's a child-like purity that I "lost in the fire" a lont time ago. For some, there seems to be an almost tunnel vision quest to be the best human they can be; a person that I'm in awe of and inspired to replicate.

    So fuck you sideways for taking one situation ---a horrible, awful situation that I almost wish I'd never viewed--- and projecting that on some of the best people on the planet. Would you want to be so written off because of the actions of some other person an observer deemed "similar" to you?

    The person who did this should be shot...in public....slowly. But that person only represents psychopaths....he represents no ethinic group at all (let alone "Chinese"), his is just a weird and horrible sickness that seems to rise up unexpectedly all over the human condition.

    I'm not sure if you get the main point I was driving at. Of course the double hit-and-run was awful, but I was most sickened by the fact that 19 passers-by walked past in a row without offering to help. Accidents are just accidents, but the response to that was empirically worrying. I'm not judging a race, I'm judging the culture of the society.

    Of course I recognize that this cannot be applied to everyone in a society. I know some cities in China are definitely more civic-minded. I am just stating that this lack of empathy or desire to help others has been becoming more and more prevalent in China. As someone living in a predominantly Chinese society, I do have fantastic friends who are from China and they all (yes, every single one of them so far) have complained about the technically fantastic education system which however does not do much to inculcate values. And all of them have mentioned this to me and to each other without me even asking them.

    I am not biased against the people per se, I am biased against the stance of clinical improvement that the Chinese government has been taking for the past many years; the impact of this pragmatism on the people and their culture has been disgusting, and this is what I am sickened about. It's not just an allegation, either - it's a fact that arises from the stiff domestic competition that only China and India could understand.
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    Oct 18, 2011 6:50 PM GMT
    I still can't believe the only thing you picked out was that I hate Chinese people. How could I ever hate my own race?? I love China and admire the people greatly, I just can't help seeing these rising flaws in the culture and being disappointed. And no I'm not tarring the whole nation or whatever, just had to make this clear.
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    Oct 18, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
    It's not just the Chinese:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-05-hit-run_N.htmHARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Police released chilling surveillance video of a hit-and-run accident in hopes of catching the unidientified driver who ran down a 78-year-old pedestrian, paralyzing him, and to show the callousness of bystanders who did nothing to help.

    The gripping one-minute video shows the violent May 30 accident and bystanders' apparent lack of sympathy. No one rushes to Angel Arce Torres' aid, and no one bothers to stop traffic as Torres lays motionless in the street.

    And about why witnesses to a rape did nothing:

    CONAN: And when we hear about a case like this and we're talking about the bystanders - those who watched and did nothing and walked away, those who stayed and, at least as far as we know from that report, jeered or cheered on what was going on - we think of those people and think they must be terrible people.

    Prof. BANAJI: That's right. That's the first thought that comes to our mind. What else are we to think when we hear that a horrific event like this was simply allowed to continue to happen while people just stood there? So biologists and psychologists have studied for a long, long time the incredible capacity of human beings to help, to be altruistic. And therefore, these kinds of events pose a real dilemma. How do they happen and why do they happen, given that we know that we have a capacity to help?

    Evolutionary psychologists might tell us that sometimes, we're unable to help when the group that we're thinking about helping is far away because we didn't evolve to think about helping people who lived many, many miles away. But again, the bystander problem shows us that this is happening in the here and now.

    Sometimes it's easy to think about helping an individual person, even though a group tragedy may not affect us. And again, the bystander problem poses a dilemma because this is about an individual human being and that person's suffering. And so, of course, there are now, we know, many, many experiments done on something called the bystander non-intervention effect, and it was done in the late �60s, following the murder of Kitty Genovese. And exactly as you say, Neal, the initial response from psychiatrists and psychologists was: Who were these horrible people who stood around watching the murder of this woman and didn't call the police? And that led to a stunning set of experiments.

    And the reason I say that the experiments here are so important is that because in any given case, we don't know exactly what the pressures on the situation were, and we don't know exactly what those folks experienced. And that's why when we bring complex phenomena like this into the laboratory and we put them to the test there, we can say with far greater precision what it is that's going on. And the results of two psychologists by the name of Latane and Darley stand out here because they re-enacted certain situations in the laboratory: a person having a seizure; a bunch of smoke just flowing into a room. And all they varied was the number of people present.

    And the data show over and over again that if there was one person in the room, the likelihood of helping is around 75 percent. But as the number goes to two and three and four and five and six, the number of people who jump up to help drops to 10 percent, right?

    So there's something about the size of the group that, although it should lead us to be more likely to help, actually produces the counterintuitive reverse effect.

    CONAN: That's fascinating. So in effect, there's something biological going on here.

    Prof. BANAJI: Well, we can - you know, we would want to at least say that it is something cognitive going on because here's what we think needs to happen in an emergency situation like this. First of all, you have to notice that there is an emergency.

    CONAN: Sure.

    Prof. BANAJI: And the remarkable result from these original studies is that if you are with other people sitting there, you are less likely to even notice the smoke. You are less likely to even recognize that the child's cry for help is a real cry for help, and so on. So there's something that changes in our minds to even identify what it is that's going on. And, of course, once we identify what it is that's going on, then we need to figure out some way to take action, and that's where psychologists believe something called diffusion of responsibility occurs, that the number of people, as that - yes.

    CONAN: It has to - if there's a large number of people, it's not an individual's responsibility anymore. It's, hey, if Charlie over there doesn't do it, why should I do it?

    Prof. BANAJI: That's correct. Try dropping a penny in an elevator with one other person present versus six others present, and you'll find the number of people helping to pick it up just drop precipitously.