Why couldn't Steve Jobs afford to heal his "cancer"?

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    Oct 20, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
    With all that money don't you think he could have put some invested interest in using his company to research and develop tools to prevent or treat cancer instead of making more mindless expensive crap that's made cheap in China?

    I mean if I had billions of dollars and my doctor was like "you're dying of cancer" I'd PAY leading cutting edge and experimental researchers to find a cure.

    Feh. Maybe he was just too stressed. I probably would have died form a heart attack long ago if I was Apple's leader.

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    Oct 20, 2011 5:56 PM GMT
    Maybe he realised that death was inevitable and would rather leave a legacy, less selfish way to leave the world...
  • commoncoll

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    Oct 20, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    The decision is not yours to make, and neither is it yours to question.

    Pancreatic cancer is difficult to treat because cancerous cells can spread from the pancreas to the stomach, duodenum and small intestine, liver and into the thoracic cage- heart and lungs from there, gall bladder, and spleen, and the blood supply. It is very difficult to eliminate cancerous lymphoids from all these organs, some of which are essential for life.

    The technology and scientific knowledge is not there yet to arrest egregious growth of cancerous cells, no matter how much money is being poured into it. We still don't understand how to turn off the promoters of cancer cells.

    There comes a time when the body just can not live.

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    Oct 20, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    Pancreatic cancer has a mortality rate of something insane like 95%.

    Money and research are irrelevant.
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    Oct 20, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    Actually Jobs distrusted scientific or "Western" medicine and opted to pursue alternative therapies for his first (and likely at least some of his subsequent) bouts with cancer.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-death-of-steve-jobs/
  • JBinSFO

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    Oct 20, 2011 6:35 PM GMT
    A more relevant question is why he didn't use the technology at hand to cure himself. Jobs had a form of pancreatic cancer that was quite treatable, yet it appears that he chose, for a time, to eschew modern technology and instead embraced alternative "medicine". It would be like going into a store and buying a computer running windows 2000 and expect it to run Photoshop.
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    Oct 20, 2011 6:41 PM GMT
    commoncoll saidThe decision is not yours to make, and neither is it yours to question.




    I lol'ed. Everything is open to questioning, people question whatever they want icon_twisted.gif
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    Oct 20, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
    Well, he had plenty of money to somehow rapidly get a liver transplant that no ordinary person could ever qualify for. Even those who DON'T have another terminal condition (which would disqualify them) are generally in a near vegetable state before they get to the top of the transplant list. He certainly bought a few good years with his $zillions.
  • Anto

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    Oct 20, 2011 6:57 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidMaybe he realised that death was inevitable and would rather leave a legacy, less selfish way to leave the world...


    Legacy of researching cutting edge medical technology in cancer which could help himself and other people afflicted with it or of developing better ways for Apple Inc to sell silicon to people for the rest of his life?
  • Anto

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    Oct 20, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidWell, he had plenty of money to somehow rapidly get a liver transplant that no ordinary person could ever qualify for. Even those who DON'T have another terminal condition (which would disqualify them) are generally in a near vegetable state before they get to the top of the transplant list. He certainly bought a few good years with his $zillions.


    I always wondered about that. Aren't people denied organ transplants like that if they have a condition which is going to most likely kill them anyway.
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    Oct 20, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
    commoncoll saidThe decision is not yours to make, and neither is it yours to question.


    Yes it is you lackluster. I can ask any question I want. What do you think this is: Syria? Or are you some poop-smearing Apple employer troll? I don't even need to comment on there rest of what you wrote because two people already debunked the myths of your tirade.
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    Oct 20, 2011 7:20 PM GMT
    ^ icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 20, 2011 7:43 PM GMT
    JBinSFO saidIt would be like going into a store and buying a computer running windows 2000 and expect it to run Photoshop.

    You must mean "run 64-bit Photoshop CS5." Because I had Photoshop a decade before Windows 2000.
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    Oct 20, 2011 7:54 PM GMT
    Pancreatic cancer is the kiss of death. It is the least treatable of common occuring cancers. Also killed Patrick Swasy.
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    Oct 20, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    Why couldn't steve jobs have been more than just a marketing genius and contributed something important at all? :>
  • coastguy90814

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    Oct 20, 2011 9:06 PM GMT
    I hear what you're saying but your comment is a bit ignorant about pancreatic cancer not to mention demeans the importance and how influential Steve Jobs was in technology.
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    Oct 20, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
    Anto said
    MsclDrew saidMaybe he realised that death was inevitable and would rather leave a legacy, less selfish way to leave the world...


    Legacy of researching cutting edge medical technology in cancer which could help himself and other people afflicted with it or of developing better ways for Apple Inc to sell silicon to people for the rest of his life?


    That's irrelevant...

    Talent earns money, His efforts in Apple gave him the opportunity to develop and exploit such talent so as to build the company which made the money...

    If he had not have built Apple...he would not have had more money than to live on.

    You're arguing that instead of investing in apple he should have donated the money which in the hypothetical world where he doesn't build Apple wouldn't have existed to research cancer treatments.

    The man wasn't born shitting Diamonds icon_neutral.gif

    Further more...

    ipad%20doctor.jpg

    Go to the App store and select categories>medical

    and realize that technology like this is going to

    1. reduce costs in routine diagnosis to free up $$$ to treat millions more

    2. reduce mistakes that save millions of individuals(mis-diagnosis or delayed diagnosis is the biggest killer in hospitals)

    3. pay dividends to medical research the world over for decades at a cost of $500 a pop... affordable for any hospital considering MRI and X-ray machines etc costs tens of millions to buy, run and train people to use

    Based on benefit to cost ratio... this probably is one of the worlds biggest medical breakthroughs since sterility, vaccination, retrovirals or antibiotics






  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 20, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
    If all it took was money to cure cancer, it would have been cured a long time ago
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    Oct 20, 2011 10:08 PM GMT
    Because he didn't use a PC?
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    Oct 20, 2011 10:20 PM GMT
    Apple is an incorporated company. Steve Jobs (or any CEO) could just just direct that much money and resources into a project with no expertise in biomedical research. Now, he could have started a bioresearch company with his own personal money.... but he still would have died before that got off the ground.

    Just throwing money at a scientific problem is no guarantee of a solution. I dont' think a cure for cancer is going to come unless we have a major scientific revolution in chemistry/biology.
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    Oct 20, 2011 10:22 PM GMT
    I'm not even going to read this thread before posting. There is no cure for Pancreatic Cancer at the moment. It doesnt matter if you have all the money in the world, there just isnt a cure. its one of the most debilitating cancers. I have witnessed it firsthand steal the life of a loved one, its an evil destructive cancer. Steve Jobs probably had top treatments that helped subdue the cancer but it never went away completely and eventually killed him.

    Cure PC.
  • monet

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    Oct 20, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
    JB82 saidWith all that money don't you think he could have put some invested interest in using his company to research and develop tools to prevent or treat cancer instead of making more mindless expensive crap that's made cheap in China?

    I mean if I had billions of dollars and my doctor was like "you're dying of cancer" I'd PAY leading cutting edge and experimental researchers to find a cure.

    Feh. Maybe he was just too stressed. I probably would have died form a heart attack long ago if I was Apple's leader.



    Steve Jobs personal wealth was estimated at 6.7 billion dollars at the time of his death. If it only took 6.7 billion dollars to find a cure for cancer it would have been discovered long ago.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 20, 2011 10:44 PM GMT
    His biographer, Walter Isaacson, is going to be on 60 Minutes Sunday night, the day before the biography on Jobs is released. In the clip 60 Minutes has released, Isaacson asked Jobs about his delay in treatment. Apparently, it was a decision he came to regret. The below is a post from MacRumors on the topic http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-regretted-early-decision-to-delay-cancer-surgery/:

    With Walter Isaacson's authorized biography of Steve Jobs set for release next Monday, tidbits from the book have been surfacing from time to time. But the most significant revelations to become public ahead of the book's launch will come on Sunday, when an interview with Isaacson airs on the CBS show 60 Minutes. CBS is offering a brief preview of the segment, which will reveal that Jobs regretted an early decision to delay surgery for his pancreatic cancer back in 2004.

    "I've asked [Jobs why he didn't get an operation then] and he said, 'I didn't want my body to be opened...I didn't want to be violated in that way,'" Isaacson recalls. So he waited nine months, while his wife and others urged him to do it, before getting the operation, reveals Isaacson. Asked by [60 Minutes correspondent Steve] Kroft how such an intelligent man could make such a seemingly stupid decision, Isaacson replies, "I think that he kind of felt that if you ignore something, if you don't want something to exist, you can have magical thinking...we talked about this a lot," he tells Kroft. "He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it....I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner."

    Isaacson goes on to note that Jobs continued to receive cancer treatments after his surgery, even as he was playing down the seriousness of the issue and telling people that he had been cured. By the time of his surgery, the cancer had already spread beyond his pancreas to the surrounding tissues, suggesting that earlier surgery that could have caught the cancer before it spread might have given Jobs a much better chance.
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    Oct 20, 2011 11:23 PM GMT
    JB82 saidWith all that money don't you think he could have put some invested interest in using his company to research and develop tools to prevent or treat cancer instead of making more mindless expensive crap that's made cheap in China?

    I mean if I had billions of dollars and my doctor was like "you're dying of cancer" I'd PAY leading cutting edge and experimental researchers to find a cure.

    Feh. Maybe he was just too stressed. I probably would have died form a heart attack long ago if I was Apple's leader.



    You don't think this all isn't already happening?
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    Oct 20, 2011 11:35 PM GMT
    Ask Steve.