Disillusioned with church

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    Oct 20, 2011 9:27 PM GMT
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    Oct 20, 2011 9:30 PM GMT
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    Oct 20, 2011 11:16 PM GMT
    Siya, are you asking for some insight for yourself or just what others are thinking and feeling? I'm very happy where I go to worship, but remember that "church" is not a building or a list of dogma with rules and proscriptions. The Body of Christ is all of those who follow Jesus and subscribe to his teachings. If you are not happy with your worship experience, I suggest that you "shop around." The right place of worship makes all the difference and you should feel uplifted, joyful, and whole after the service. Mail me if you want to talk further.
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    Oct 21, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
    DItto. Church can be a wonderful, positive experience or a miserable waste of time. Look around and see what's out there--I can tell you that my church is wonderful.
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    Oct 25, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    Hang in there. You need to find the right church. No two are created equal. I would suggest that you visit several until you find one that caters to your spiritual development.

    Remember though that bottomline God does not have grand children. People will love to tell you the best way to serve God. I would like to suggest to you that God can tell you this himself. Thread very carefully therefore.
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    Oct 26, 2011 5:23 AM GMT
    Some churches, including some in the Anglican Communion, include what is known as the Summary of the Law in the communion service. It is as follows (in King James English):

    "Hear what our Lord Jesus Christ saith.
    THOU shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

    After Jesus said that (actually, he was quoting from the OT), He went on to recite the parable of the good Samaritan to show that the definition of neighbor is very broad.

    Many theologians see the Summary of the Law as the entire law and everything else as commentary.

    As the result of seeing how many people of various religions behave, I've come to the conclusion that the Summary of the Law is all important and am much more concerned with how people treat each other than with what they believe.

    I suggest choosing a church that puts great emphasis on the Summary of the Law and does not insist on a literal understanding of the Bible. I also agree with Dr. Katharine Jefferts Schori, the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, of which I am a member, that salvation is not limited to Christians.
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    Oct 26, 2011 6:17 AM GMT
    Let me just say this, church is built by man for man yes the plan is/was to be a place of worship for whatever dogma but mostly it is now used for a place for a priest to put out his/her opinion my point you don't need church to have religion as long as god is in your heart but that is also just an opinion
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    Oct 26, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
    peter_cottontail saidLet me just say this, church is built by man for man yes the plan is/was to be a place of worship for whatever dogma but mostly it is now used for a place for a priest to put out his/her opinion my point you don't need church to have religion as long as god is in your heart but that is also just an opinion


    One of the reasons I remain a member of the Episcopal Church is that it's official position is that it does not have a monopoly on truth. Often, if one asks an Episcopal priest a question, he or she will give multiple opinions on the matter in addition to stating his own opinion.

    Some years ago, when I took Bible study classes at St. Paul's Episcopal Cathedral in San Diego, we had some very interesting discussions. The classes were led by lay members of the church and we used study material from the Presbyterian Church. As we discussed the lessons, we often had several opinions on some points. A person might say, "That's interesting; I never thought about it like that. Here's what I think about it...." We had no difficulty respecting multiple viewpoints. However, that is definitely not the case with some churches.

    So the idea that priest / minister / or whatever will push only his own opinion is not always true; it depends on the denomination, the particular parish, and the particular priest, or whatever. Moreover, opinions change in response to evidence. For example, before Darwin's time, and even for some years after his time, few Christians would have supported evolution. But now that the evidence is practically conclusive, many Christians support evolution and have moved away from the idea that the Bible is infallible.

    I'd strongly suggest choosing a church that is not unduly rigid.
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    Oct 26, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
    ^ Can't argue with that.