The 'HAWKS' who pushed for war with IRAQ and some who are now pressuring for war with IRAN.

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    Oct 21, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
    Many of the same group from the PNAC who pushed for war along with the Israeli Lobby AIPAC are even now pushing for war with IRAN, the group PNAC was disbanded after being exposed over the Afghanistan and Iraq wars but have come back under different title, The aims from both of which are just as sinister. I will have to repeat some of what was removed as referred to below and bring forward new evidence where Iran is concerned. It will take some time.

    "Key Neo conservatives and other right wing hawks who championed the 2003 US invasion of Iraq are calling for military strikes against Iran in retaliation for its purported murder for hire plot against the Saudi Ambassador, here."

    "Leading the charge is the FOREIGN POLICY INTIATIVE (FPI), the Ideological successor to the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY (PNAC), which played a critical role in mobilising support for 'regime change' in Iraq in the late 1990's and subsequently spearheaded the public campaign to invade the country after the 9/11 attacks. The group sent reporters appeals by two of its leaders for military action on its letterhead Monday."

    "The column healined "Spead Softly ... and Fight Back" in this week's Weekly Standar, Chief editor William Kristol, CO-FOUNDER OF BOTH PNAC AND FPI, said the alleged plot amounted to "an engraved invitation" by Iran to use force against it. " Mr Kristol also has dual Citizenship with Israel as did most of his PNAC club members and 40+ members of the bush/cheney administration who helped to make Israels war wish list that also of the US.

    Feel free to post information, because this is a very important topic since we in the US have already paid dearly for the PNAC's first two wars, we don't want to fall prey to the current push for more war under different title by the same people.









    (This will replace freedomisn'tfree's topic about IRAN which he removed over facts he and SoCal apparently didn't want exposed.)
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    Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM GMT
    This was meant for NEWS and POLITICS, how it got here in 'all things gay' I don't know, anyone know how to transfer this to the right forum topic list under NEWS and POLITICS ?
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    realifedad said Many of the same group from the PNAC who pushed for war along with the Israeli Lobby AIPAC are even now pushing for war with IRAN, the group PNAC was disbanded after being exposed over the Afghanistan and Iraq wars but have come back under different title, The aims from both of which are just as sinister. I will have to repeat some of what was removed as referred to below and bring forward new evidence where Iran is concerned. It will take some time.

    "Key Neo conservatives and other right wing hawks who championed the 2003 US invasion of Iraq are calling for military strikes against Iran in retaliation for its purported murder for hire plot against the Saudi Ambassador, here."

    "Leading the charge is the FOREIGN POLICY INTIATIVE (FPI), the Ideological successor to the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY (PNAC), which played a critical role in mobilising support for 'regime change' in Iraq in the late 1990's and subsequently spearheaded the public campaign to invade the country after the 9/11 attacks. The group sent reporters appeals by two of its leaders for military action on its letterhead Monday."

    "The column healined "Spead Softly ... and Fight Back" in this week's Weekly Standar, Chief editor William Kristol, CO-FOUNDER OF BOTH PNAC AND FPI, said the alleged plot amounted to "an engraved invitation" by Iran to use force against it. " Mr Kristol also has dual Citizenship with Israel as did most of his PNAC club members and 40+ members of the bush/cheney administration who helped to make Israels war wish list that also of the US.

    Feel free to post information, because this is a very important topic since we in the US have already paid dearly for the PNAC's first two wars, we don't want to fall prey to the current push for more war under different title by the same people.


    (This will replace freedomisn'tfree's topic about IRAN which he removed over facts he and SoCal apparently didn't want exposed.)




    "Facts"?? I don't know if you're more funny or more pathetic.

    I hate to tell you RLD. I didn't remove anything. Once there are posts, you can't delete a thread, only the admin can. However, as Mitt likes to say - Good Try!

    And besides, it's way too much fun watching you talk to yourself.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1844364

    In fact, now that there's a post, mine, give it a try, attempt to delete it. So until then, take your specious accusations and shove them up your fat, very loose ass.
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    realifedad said Many of the same group from the PNAC who pushed for war along with the Israeli Lobby AIPAC are even now pushing for war with IRAN, the group PNAC was disbanded after being exposed over the Afghanistan and Iraq wars but have come back under different title, The aims from both of which are just as sinister. I will have to repeat some of what was removed as referred to below and bring forward new evidence where Iran is concerned. It will take some time.

    "Key Neo conservatives and other right wing hawks who championed the 2003 US invasion of Iraq are calling for military strikes against Iran in retaliation for its purported murder for hire plot against the Saudi Ambassador, here."

    "Leading the charge is the FOREIGN POLICY INTIATIVE (FPI), the Ideological successor to the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY (PNAC), which played a critical role in mobilising support for 'regime change' in Iraq in the late 1990's and subsequently spearheaded the public campaign to invade the country after the 9/11 attacks. The group sent reporters appeals by two of its leaders for military action on its letterhead Monday."

    "The column healined "Spead Softly ... and Fight Back" in this week's Weekly Standar, Chief editor William Kristol, CO-FOUNDER OF BOTH PNAC AND FPI, said the alleged plot amounted to "an engraved invitation" by Iran to use force against it. " Mr Kristol also has dual Citizenship with Israel as did most of his PNAC club members and 40+ members of the bush/cheney administration who helped to make Israels war wish list that also of the US.

    Feel free to post information, because this is a very important topic since we in the US have already paid dearly for the PNAC's first two wars, we don't want to fall prey to the current push for more war under different title by the same people.


    (This will replace freedomisn'tfree's topic about IRAN which he removed over facts he and SoCal apparently didn't want exposed.)




    "Facts"?? I don't know if you're more funny or more pathetic.

    I hate to tell you RLD. I didn't remove anything. Once there are posts, you can't delete a thread, only the admin can. However, as Mitt likes to say - Good Try!

    And besides, it's way too much fun watching you talk to yourself.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1844364

    In fact, now that there's a post, mine, give it a try, attempt to delete it. So until then, take your specious accusations and shove them up your fat, very loose ass.





    Well thank you Geezer for your 'specious accusation' about something you'd like to shove up my "fat, very loose a__" LOL !!

    Unless I'm blind, I still don't see your topic about Iran, where you and other right wingers promote bombing Iran. As for the topic of mine that you provide a link for, consider that topic an infomercial. LOL Now be nice, because Geezer, what you said just above is similar to what got you kicked off the site before.

    You know Geezer, you can disagree without verbally shoving something up someones a__. We won't hold it against you if you disagree agreably.
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    freedomisntfree said
    realifedad said Many of the same group from the PNAC who pushed for war along with the Israeli Lobby AIPAC are even now pushing for war with IRAN, the group PNAC was disbanded after being exposed over the Afghanistan and Iraq wars but have come back under different title, The aims from both of which are just as sinister. I will have to repeat some of what was removed as referred to below and bring forward new evidence where Iran is concerned. It will take some time.

    "Key Neo conservatives and other right wing hawks who championed the 2003 US invasion of Iraq are calling for military strikes against Iran in retaliation for its purported murder for hire plot against the Saudi Ambassador, here."

    "Leading the charge is the FOREIGN POLICY INTIATIVE (FPI), the Ideological successor to the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY (PNAC), which played a critical role in mobilising support for 'regime change' in Iraq in the late 1990's and subsequently spearheaded the public campaign to invade the country after the 9/11 attacks. The group sent reporters appeals by two of its leaders for military action on its letterhead Monday."

    "The column healined "Spead Softly ... and Fight Back" in this week's Weekly Standar, Chief editor William Kristol, CO-FOUNDER OF BOTH PNAC AND FPI, said the alleged plot amounted to "an engraved invitation" by Iran to use force against it. " Mr Kristol also has dual Citizenship with Israel as did most of his PNAC club members and 40+ members of the bush/cheney administration who helped to make Israels war wish list that also of the US.

    Feel free to post information, because this is a very important topic since we in the US have already paid dearly for the PNAC's first two wars, we don't want to fall prey to the current push for more war under different title by the same people.


    (This will replace freedomisn'tfree's topic about IRAN which he removed over facts he and SoCal apparently didn't want exposed.)




    "Facts"?? I don't know if you're more funny or more pathetic.

    I hate to tell you RLD. I didn't remove anything. Once there are posts, you can't delete a thread, only the admin can. However, as Mitt likes to say - Good Try!

    And besides, it's way too much fun watching you talk to yourself.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1844364

    In fact, now that there's a post, mine, give it a try, attempt to delete it. So until then, take your specious accusations and shove them up your fat, very loose ass.





    Well thank you Geezer for your 'specious accusation' about something you'd like to shove up my "fat, very loose a__" LOL !!

    Unless I'm blind, I still don't see your topic about Iran, where you and other right wingers promote bombing Iran. As for the topic of mine that you provide a link for, consider that topic an infomercial. LOL Now be nice, because Geezer, what you said just above is similar to what got you kicked off the site before.

    You know Geezer, you can disagree without verbally shoving something up someones a__. We won't hold it against you if you disagree agreably.


    You have a problem with "a__"? Give me a break little miss innocent. I have a problem with your "God damns" that you write in so many of your posts. I find that offensive.

    Yes, evidently, you ARE (like those caps?) blind. You CANNOT delete a thread once someone else posts in it. Give it a try - on this one. See, you can't. The only one who CAN delete a thread once there are multiple posters is the admin. Maybe, just maybe, if you keep up your rampant anti-Semitism, it will be you who is deleted.

    And funny, you call me a geezer and yet YOU are the one who sits day and night talking to himself, post after post after post. You'd do your cause a lot more good if you said a lot less.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1844364

    Furthermore, what you also forget, probably because you assumed what he was going to say, was a post from me regarding Pat Buchanan who recommended against taking any such action.
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    Oct 22, 2011 2:04 AM GMT
    Most everyone has heard of the Project for the New American Century, PNAC, which was formed in part by William Kristol, a NEO Conservative with Dual Citizenship with Isreal, This group was made up of 70 to 80% Israeli/AIPAC influenced adherent's to NEO Conservatism goals which promoting Israels interests as usefull to US interests, many of this groups membership had Dual citizenship with Israel. Under the guise of US interests, it promoted going to war with Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and pushed goals of controling the Caspian Sea basin, much of which had to do with controling natural resorces for the West, (the conflict over Georgia with Russia was directly related to such goals, which failed by the way)

    This PNAC Group attempted as is well documented, to get President Clinton to go to war with Afghanistand and Iraq, but failed. Along come Bush/Cheney who were very close to many members of this group. Once elected, they picked most of their Administration/Cabinet from this group pushing for war, Of the 54 in his Administration, 44 had dual Citizenship with Israel and all were adherents to the goals of the PNAC. I will list below first the members with dual citizenship, and next those without dual Citizenship.

    But First a little good advise from the farwell address of George Washington in regards to mixing the interests of a foreign nation.

    "A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sypathy for the farovite nation, facilitating the ilusion of an imaginary common interst in cases where no real common interest exists and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter wihtou adequate inducement or justification, it leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concesssions, "



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    realifedad said This was meant for NEWS and POLITICS, how it got here in 'all things gay' I don't know, anyone know how to transfer this to the right forum topic list under NEWS and POLITICS ?



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    [quote][cite]realifedad said[/cite] Most everyone has heard of the Project for the New American Century, PNAC, which was formed in part by William Kristol, a NEO Conservative with Dual Citizenship with Isreal, This group was made up of 70 to 80% Israeli/AIPAC influenced adherent's to NEO Conservatism goals which promoting Israels interests as usefull to US interests, many of this groups membership had Dual citizenship with Israel. Under the guise of US interests, it promoted going to war with Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and pushed goals of controling the Caspian Sea basin, much of which had to do with controling natural resorces for the West, (the conflict over Georgia with Russia was directly related to such goals, which failed by the way)

    This PNAC Group attempted as is well documented, to get President Clinton to go to war with Afghanistand and Iraq, but failed. Along come Bush/Cheney who were very close to many members of this group. Once elected, they picked most of their Administration/Cabinet from this group pushing for war, Of the 54 in his Administration, 44 had dual Citizenship with Israel and all were adherents to the goals of the PNAC. I will list below first the members with dual citizenship, and next those without dual Citizenship.

    But First a little good advise from the farwell address of George Washington in regards to mixing the interests of a foreign nation.

    "A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sypathy for the farovite nation, facilitating the ilusion of an imaginary common interst in cases where no real common interest exists and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter wihout adequate inducement or justification, it leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concesssions, "



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    "....nothing is more essential thatn that pernanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations and PASSIONATE ATTACHMENTS for others hould be exclued and that in place of them just and aqmicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulbes towards another an habitual hatred, or an HABITUAL FONDNESS, is in some degree A SLAVE. It is a SLAVE TO ITS ANIMOSITY OR TO ITS AFFECTION, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest."

    Favored nation status ...."Gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation) Facility TO BETRAY OR SACRIFICE THE INTERESTS OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY WITHOUT ODIUM, SOMETIMES EVEN WITH POPULARITY, gilding with the appearances of a VIRTUOUS SENSE OF OBLIGATION, A COMMENDABLE DEFERENCE FOR PUBLIC OPINION, or a laugdable zeal for public good,"

    "As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, TO PRACTICE THE ARTS OF SEDUCTION, TO MISLEAD PUBLIC OPINION, TO INFLUENCE OR AWE THE PUBLIC COUNCILS! >>>>>>>>>>>>>SUCH AN ATTACHMENT OF A SMALL OR WEAK TOWARDS A GREAT AND POWERFUL NATION DOOMS THE FORMER TO BE THE SATELLITE OF THE LATTER."

    "Against the sindidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial: else it becomes the intrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it."

    "EXCESSIVE PARTIALITY FOR ONE FOREIGN NATION AND EXCESSIVE DISLIKE OF ANOTHER cause those whom they actuate to SEE DANER ONLY ON ONE SIDE, AND SERVE TO VEIL AND EVEN SECOND THE ARTS OF INFLUENCE ON THE OTHER. >>>>>>>>>>>REAL PATRIOTS, WHO MAY RESIST THE INTRIQUES OF THE FAVORITE, ARE LIABLE TO BECOME SUSPECTED AND ODIOUS, while its tools and DUPES USURP THE APPLAUSE AND CONFIDENCE OF THE PEOPLE TO SURRENDER THEIR INTERESTS."

    "THE GREAT RULE OF CONDUCT FOR US in regard to FOREIGN NATIONS is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them AS LITTLE POLITICAL CONNECTION AS POSSIBLE."

    If these words and warnings of George Washington's ever fit any US relations, it fits perfectly with what is going on between the US and Israel. No other country, should ever be in a position to have such high percentage of its nationals in our government.

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    Oct 26, 2011 1:10 AM GMT
    Keeping in mind this warning from George Washington regarding favoring of one Country over another in our Foreign relations and direct involvement in our Country's politics, I have to wonder what he would have to say about the influence of Israel where the Afghanistan, Iraq wars and the continued pushing for additional war with Iran.

    Was there ever a time in our history where the high percentage of Dual US/ISRAELI Citizenship participants in an administration reached or approximated 40 with Dual citizenship out of 54 in the Bush Administration ?

    Just like Washington warned happens when one Country gets unjust favoritism it gets to the point that those who point out the situation are deemed as the ones with the problem. Our pointing this out is called Anti Semitism, Anti Jew and seeking the destruction of Israel.

    I will soon list the names of those With dual Citizenship with Israel in the Bush Administration who pushed for war with Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran under the banner of 'The Project For The New American Century' PNAC. This group was also dominated by those from the same country.

    Its one thing for inteligent people to rise to places of power, which is natural and good, but its quite another, for any one country's citizenry to reach the domination of our politics in one administration to the point of 40 out of 54.

    To help the reader resist the urge to cast this off as purely racist or Anti Semitism, please reread Washingtons warning above, one more time and see if you don't think some of his 200 plus year old warning doesn't hold true in this relationship between the US and Israel.



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    Oct 27, 2011 12:29 AM GMT
    Below are names of Israeli influenced (some with duel Citizenship) within our US Government, these are some of whom were behind the push for war with Iraq and Afghanistan, on the list was also Iran.

    Once this list is completed, we'll list the members of the Bush/Cheney adminitstration and the names/numbers of who held dual Citizenship with Israel, another membership list to be explored will be that of 'The Project For The New American Century', Then all names can be compared to show who held the most influence because of presence withing our government while sharing Citizenship with another country, and membership in these organizations who seem to have agenda's with more than just US interests at heart.


    Keep in mind, how we would address this as an issue if these numbers of Government workers were from say, Russia, China, North Korea or ETC. The only difference between these countries and whether or not such involvement would be accepted is religion, which raises its ugly head where influence is involved. Christianity has a direct influence on beliefs about acceptance of Israel and its wishes, due to Christianity's belief of biblical promises where Israel is involved, both for its land and concerning end times and thought to be biblically involved in a country's 'blessings' or lack of them. None of the other country's have such religious influence that would commend its undue influence being accepted in our top levels of Government.

    The religious aspect is used to promote the acceptance of this other country's involvement in our US Government and of that country's actions.

    But I digress; Here we go >>>WHO GOT US INTO THE IRAQ WAR?

    A List of prominent Israeli influenced Neocons and their role in getting the US into Iraq, Afghanistan, pushing for similar with Iran, and pushed for a "Dept of Homeland Security"

    RICHARD PEARLE (dual citizen with Israel)

    "American plitical advisor and lobbyist who worked for the Reagan Admin as an Assistan Sec. of Def and worked on the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committeee and Chair of the Board under GW Bush
    "Memer of several Conservative think tanks, such as the PNAC, the Hudson Institute, the American enterprise INstitute for Public Policy Research.
    "Perle has written estensively on Middle Eastern Issues, long an advocate of regime change in Iraq, also promoted the supposed link between Saddam and Bin Laden a few days after 9/11
    "Perle criticized for recommending that the Army purchase an Armaments system from an Israeli company that a year earlier had paid him $50,00 in consulting fees."

    >>>>"In 1996, Pearle participated in a study group that produced a report for the incoming LIKUD-led government of Prime Minister NETANYAHU in Israel that urged the country to break off then ongoing peace initiatives and suggested strategies for reshaping the Middle East. Among the groups arguments was the idea that "REMOVING SADDAM HUSSEIN FROM POWER IN IRAQ AN IMPORTANT ISRAELI STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE IN ITS OWN RIGHT."<<<<<


    More to come !!!




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    [quote][cite]realifedad said[/cite] Below are names of Israeli influenced (some with duel Citizenship) within our US Government, these are some of whom were behind the push for war with Iraq and Afghanistan, on the list was also Iran.

    Once this list is completed, we'll list the members of the Bush/Cheney adminitstration and the names/numbers of who held dual Citizenship with Israel, another membership list to be explored will be that of 'The Project For The New American Century', Then all names can be compared to show who held the most influence because of presence withing our government while sharing Citizenship with another country, and membership in these organizations who seem to have agenda's with more than just US interests at heart.


    Keep in mind, how we would address this as an issue if these numbers of Government workers were from say, Russia, China, North Korea or ETC. The only difference between these countries and whether or not such involvement would be accepted is religion, which raises its ugly head where influence is involved. Christianity has a direct influence on beliefs about acceptance of Israel and its wishes, due to Christianity's belief of biblical promises where Israel is involved, both for its land and concerning end times and thought to be biblically involved in a country's 'blessings' or lack of them. None of the other country's have such religious influence that would commend its undue influence being accepted in our top levels of Government.

    The religious aspect is used to promote the acceptance of this other country's involvement in our US Government and of that country's actions.

    But I digress; Here we go >>>WHO GOT US INTO THE IRAQ WAR?

    A List of prominent Israeli influenced Neocons and their role in getting the US into Iraq, Afghanistan, pushing for similar with Iran, and pushed for a "Dept of Homeland Security"

    RICHARD PEARLE (dual citizen with Israel)

    "American plitical advisor and lobbyist who worked for the Reagan Admin as an Assistan Sec. of Def and worked on the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committeee and Chair of the Board under GW Bush
    "Memer of several Conservative think tanks, such as the PNAC, the Hudson Institute, the American enterprise INstitute for Public Policy Research.
    "Perle has written estensively on Middle Eastern Issues, long an advocate of regime change in Iraq, also promoted the supposed link between Saddam and Bin Laden a few days after 9/11
    "Perle criticized for recommending that the Army purchase an Armaments system from an Israeli company that a year earlier had paid him $50,00 in consulting fees."

    >>>>"In 1996, Pearle participated in a study group that produced a report for the incoming LIKUD-led government of Prime Minister NETANYAHU in Israel that urged the country to break off then ongoing peace initiatives and suggested strategies for reshaping the Middle East. Among the groups arguments was the idea that "REMOVING SADDAM HUSSEIN FROM POWER IN IRAQ AN IMPORTANT ISRAELI STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE IN ITS OWN RIGHT."<<<<<


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    Next in line is:

    PAUL WOLFOWITZ (Dual Citizenship with Israel)

    "As US Deputy Secretary of Defense during the Presidency of GW Bush, he was "a mavor architect of President Bush's Iraq policy and , within the Administration, its most passionate and complelling advocate"


    DOUGLAS FEITH (Dual Citizenship with Israel)

    "Douglas Feith is a former Pentagon Official closely associated with the NEO CON political faction who has been investigated for allegedly distorting prewar intelligence on Iraq, Feith served as the deputy undersecretary of defense for policy, the number three postition at the Pentagon, from july 2001 to august 2005."

    "Feith has been questioned by the FBI in relation to the passing by one of his employees of confidential Pentagon documents to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee AIPAC which in turn passed them to the Israeli Embassy, The Senate Intelligence Committee is also investigating Feith"

    "There seems little doubt that he operated in the Pentagon in such a way as to produce false and misleading 'intelligence,' that he created an entirely false impression of Iraqi weapons capabilities and ties to Al-Quida, and that he is among the chief facilitators of the US war in Iraq, feith is clearly resigning ahead of the possible breaking of major scandals conderning his tenure at the Dept of Defense, which is amoung the more disgraceful cases of the misleading of the American People in american history."

    Although feith was not formally charged in connection to his work at the Pentagon, his work has been repeatedly investigated and official reports have linked him to efforts to push faulty evidence to justfy the war. One investigation, by eht Dept of Defense's inspector general was set up to assess whether the Office of Special Planns, a specialized outfit set up by Feith within the Pentagon to scrutinized intelligence on Iraq, deliberately skewed information about the regime of Hussein." (New York Times, May 25, 2006)"

    "Feith also served on the board of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, a think tank that promotes a military and strategic alliance between the US and Israel."

    "Feith favors US support for Israel and has promoted US-Israeli cooperation....Both Feith and his father have been honored by the Zionist Organization of America, a conservative organization that often makes comon cause on foreign policy issues with conservative Christian Organizations.'

    "His father , Dalck, was a member of the Getar, a Rivisionist Zionist Youth Organization."






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    Oct 27, 2011 4:26 PM GMT
    Clearly there is a lack of interest here at RJ on this subject
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    Oct 27, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidClearly there is a lack of interest here at RJ on this subject




    Clearly this is an informative topic so not one requiring argueing back and forth as with the other topics, one that is probably of the most importance to US Foreign Policy, involvement in Wars, and involving future wars, and the terrible waste in treasure and the blood of Americans.

    Clearly there quite a few readers on these important topics, and everyone of us have been brought into the topic by some friend or family member in the military.

    Even more clearly is the affects of the Israeli lobby AIPAC and the religious far right who have made it very unpopular to expose the truth on these topics. So if you don't want to be informed as to what influences our nation to go into these wars that have cost our country trillions of dollars, thousands killed, and greately decreased our influence all around the world, but particularly in the Middle East, then I guess, just don't read the information.

    Clearly you should do some reading to be better informed and provide more information on what is behind the wars and the current push for war with Iran. It is after all the same group. Does the exposure of this information offend you? If not, why don't you provide information too?
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    Oct 29, 2011 3:57 AM GMT
    contiinuing the list of those behind the Iraq war and some now pushing for war with IRAN.


    MICHAEL LEDEEN

    "Ledeen was a founding member of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs and he served on the JINSA Board of Advisors. in 2003, The Washinton Post alleged that he was consulted by Karl Rove, GW Bush's closest advisor, as his main international affairs adviser."

    "Michael Ledeen had been accused of being involved in the forgery which claimed that Saddam Hussein had bought yellowcake in Niger."

    "Writing in The Nation, a left wing magazine, jack Huberman, who describes Ledeen as "the most influential and unabashed warmonger of our time", attributes these quotes to Ledeen."

    "The level of casualties in Iraq is secondary"
    "We are a warlike people americans... we love war"
    "Change, above all violent change, is the essence of human history."
    "the only way to achieve peace is through total war"
    "The purpose of total war is to permanently force your will onto another people"
    "Every ten years or so, the United States Needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."

    Check this out on wikipedia/Michael_Ledeen


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    SCOOTER LIBBY (Dual Citizenship with Israel)

    "former corporate lawyer, policy advisor, and novelist who served as Assistant to Pres GW Bush, Chief of Staff to the VP. Dick Cheney, and assistant to the VP for National Security Affairs from 2001 to 2005"

    "Libby was active in the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee of the Pentagon when it was chaired by Richard Perle during the early years of the GW Bush admin."

    "Brittiesh Secretary of State for Justice Jack Straw said of Libby; "IT'S A TOSS UP WHETHER HE IS WORKING FOR THE ISRAELIES OR THE AMERICANS ON ANY GIVEN DAY."

    Check him out on Wikipedia




    There's many more like these above that have been involved in going to war in Afghanistan, Iraq and now pushing for war with Iran. How many from one country mixed in our Government affairs do we need before the public takes note that something is wrong with this favoritism to one country 'Israel'. This to a large degree has happened due to religious fanaticism on both sides of the atlantic. Just imagine the reaction if there were just the above number of Muslims, Russians or the Chinese directly involved in our government? The above is only the begining and its a conflict of interest that is costing the US dearly.
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    Nov 01, 2011 1:59 AM GMT
    STEPHEN BRYEN --

    "Bryen is also closely connected to various high profile NEO CON's like Richard Perle, under whom Bryon served when Perle was Gragans ASS. Sec of Def, and has supported the work of a number of hardline pro Israel groups like the Center for Security Policy and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs."

    "In the mid 1970's, Bryen and a group of other mainly NEO CON figures, including Michael Ledeen, helped establish JINSA as an important Washington based think tank specializing in fostering close ties between the US and Israeli militaries."

    "Bryen had a role in choosing not only what US weaponry Israel would be allowed to purchase with those funds, but also what sensitive US military tech would be made available to Israel for use in its own burgeoning arms industry."

    "Some observers have accused Bryen of Using his insider connections in Washington to the benefit of Israel."

    "In a Jauary 02' article for National Review Online, Bryen pushed the erroneous thesis that Iraq had maintained a well developed biological weapons program since the first Gulf War in 1991, making it the "Leading threat" to "global survival."

    "Even prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Bryen was part of a core group of foreign policy hardliners and NEO CONs who pushed for overthrowing Saddam Hussein"
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    Nov 02, 2011 4:26 PM GMT
    In the news over the last few days, there are several articles about Netanyahu working on convincing his cabinet to bomb Irans bomb Nuclear Facilities, he now apparently has convince Lieberman the foreign minister.

    Israel has been lobbying for years for this here in the US through AIPAC, its affiliates and the above members of think tanks. The US keeps saying no so far, even bush said no as did Clinton.

    Today in Haaretz News, Iranian spokemen warned that any such bombing wil be followed by very strong retaliation, and its a known fact that they have the capability to do so.

    I wonder since Israel has around 120 nukes, and has repeatedly threatened Iran and other neighbors, who has actually made more threats of violence, the Israeli's or Iran ? Here in the US, the Israeli Lobby makes sure we primarily hear only about the 'others'. I wonder what the truth is on the number of threats and where they were originated.


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    Nov 03, 2011 11:04 PM GMT
    DAVID FRUM: (Dual Citizenship with Israel)

    "A former speechwriter for President G W Bush"

    "Frum is widely cited as having authored the phrase "axis of evil,"


    "Frums's latest book, An end to Evil, was co written with Richard Perle. It provided a defense of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and advocated regime change in Iran and Syria."

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    Jan 01, 2012 1:31 AM GMT
    ROBERT KAGAN (Dual Israeli Citizenship)

    "American NeoConservative scholar and political commentator"

    "Worked in the State Dept Bureau of Inter American Affairs 1985 -1988 and was a speechwriter for Sec of State George Shultz, Prior to that, he was foreign policy advisor to New York Representative and future Republican VP candidate Jack Kemp"

    "HE IS A CO FOUNDER OF THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY (PNAC)" The group from which nearly 41 of Bush's War administration came from or were adherent's to their push for war with Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. (two down one to go)
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    Jan 01, 2012 8:52 AM GMT
    DAVID WURMSER Dual Citizen and "advisor to US VP Dick Cheney. Wurmser, a NEO CON, previously served as special assistant to John R Bolton at the State Dept and was a former research fellow .. at the American Enterprise Institute." (with similar goals as the Project for the New American Century)

    "Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith appointed Wurmser and Veteran defense analyst Michael Maloof as a SECRET TWO MAN PENTAGON INTELLIGENCE UNIT. One of their products, days after the 911 attacks, was a MEMO THAT SUGGESTED "HITTING TARGETS OUTSIDE THE MIDDLE EAST ...... LIKE IRAQ"

    "On September 4, 2004, the Washinton Post reported that FBI counterinteligence investigators had QUESTIONED WURMSER, ALONG WITH FEITH, HAROLD RHODE, AND PAUL WOLFOWITZ ABOUT THE PASSING OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO AHMAD CHALABI AND OR THE AMERICAN ISRAEL PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMITTEE" AIPAC

    "Wurmsers wife, Dr Meyrave Wurmser, co founded the MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE." Another Israeli NEO CON Propaganda agency.
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    Jan 02, 2012 10:47 PM GMT
    Norman Podhoretz ==== DUAL CITIZENSHIP WITH ISRAEL


    "He asserts that the War on Terror is a war against islamofascism, and constitutes World War 1V (World war 111 haveing been the Cold war according to him) and advocates the bombing of Iran to pre-empt their acquistion of Nuclear Weapons."

    "Project for the New American Century, PNAC, original signer"

    "Podhoretz is the father of John Podhoretz, a columnist Rupert Murdock - owned New York Post, who also acts as a ubiquitious booster of the (war)hawks."






    All these names can be looked up on Wikipedia, then do a search on Dual Citizenship for that information.
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    Jan 20, 2012 1:43 AM GMT
    Time to take up continuing this list of Neo Con War Hawks because some of these same people who pushed for war with Iraq are now pushing for war with Iran. This group is supported by the Israeli Lobby AIPAC who are actively pushing for policies and legislation agains Iran, for the purpose of War with Iran, over its supposed Nuclear Bomb making Program, that the IAEA says there is no proof of.


    Anyone doubt that this list of Dual Nationals with Israel pushed for war and many are now doing the same thing for war with Iran ? Look up their names and see what you find about their history and involvement in Bush's Administration involving the war.
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    Jan 20, 2012 6:28 AM GMT
    realifedad said Time to take up continuing this list of Neo Con War Hawks because some of these same people who pushed for war with Iraq are now pushing for war with Iran. This group is supported by the Israeli Lobby AIPAC who are actively pushing for policies and legislation agains Iran, for the purpose of War with Iran, over its supposed Nuclear Bomb making Program, that the IAEA says there is no proof of.


    Anyone doubt that this list of Dual Nationals with Israel pushed for war and many are now doing the same thing for war with Iran ? Look up their names and see what you find about their history and involvement in Bush's Administration involving the war.

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    Here you go LIL'AIPAC as discussed on the topic about war with Iran, this is the list I referred to on who led us to war with Irag, many of whom are now pushing for war with Iran. Its just a partial list that I'll be adding to.
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    Jan 20, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
    Heres a list of Israel Dual Citizens who led us to war in the Bush war Administration, Names will be without 'credits' for their part. some are still actively pushing for war, this time with Iran.

    1. Ellioot Abrams
    2. Kenneth Adelman
    3 Stuart Bernstein
    4 Grad Blakeman
    5 Lincoln Bloomfield
    6 Samual Bodman
    7 Joshua Bolten
    8 John Bolton
    9 Nancy Brinker
    10 Michael Chertoff