Despair

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    Oct 22, 2011 9:22 PM GMT
    I have reached the terrifying realization that, contrary to our need for love and order, the universe is fundamentally a chaotic place. People are unpredictable. Events are discontinuous and volatile. Naturally, a nihilistic despair and terror follow from these realizations, and my faith is the last "refuge" but it is not easy to believe in an invisible God; as a matter of fact, it is the most difficult part of it all! What do I do?
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    Oct 22, 2011 9:25 PM GMT
    Welcome to cynicism.
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    Oct 22, 2011 9:54 PM GMT
    KardioKing saidWelcome to cynicism.


    I'm a very poisonous and ugly person when I give in to cynicism.

    But the alternative (which I think has already happened) is having my mind come unhinged
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:26 AM GMT
    Dude...faith isn't dust which lies on the surface...True faith lies deep within the soil....you need to dig deeper..past the bullshit...fakeness and yes the despair...Faith lies there ...roll up your sleeves...DIG DEEPER....
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:36 AM GMT
    "chaos create opportunity" - Jamie Gutsche
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:42 AM GMT
    Skhokho1987 saidI have reached the terrifying realization that, contrary to our need for love and order, the universe is fundamentally a chaotic place. People are unpredictable. Events are discontinuous and volatile. Naturally, a nihilistic despair and terror follow from these realizations, and my faith is the last "refuge" but it is not easy to believe in an invisible God; as a matter of fact, it is the most difficult part of it all! What do I do?



    1. True faith is not dependent on the suppression of doubt, but rather on the survival of doubt

    2. I would recommend that you read Victor Frankl's "Man's search for meaning" (both the first part where he talks about surviving a concentration camp and the second part where he talks about the psychological method he developed as a result of his experiences called "logotherapy" it helped me in a particularly dark time in my life

    3. Chaos does not mean meaninglessness, but it does mean that we may not be able to identify the meaningful moments, people, things in the world around us--this could lead logically to despair or to a commitment to treat everything as if it matters (along the lines of Buddhist thought)


    That's my two cents anyway.
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    Oct 23, 2011 1:16 PM GMT
    Skhokho1987 saidI have reached the terrifying realization that, contrary to our need for love and order, the universe is fundamentally a chaotic place. People are unpredictable. Events are discontinuous and volatile. Naturally, a nihilistic despair and terror follow from these realizations, and my faith is the last "refuge" but it is not easy to believe in an invisible God; as a matter of fact, it is the most difficult part of it all! What do I do?


    Try a tricyclic like the rest of us. icon_biggrin.gif


    But seriously I try not to think about it too much, which is difficult for my questioning personality. We're taught to look for the solid facts, and where there are none, we make up our own rules to give us comfort. Instead, I try to focus on the positive things in our world. Befriend positive people, eliminate the negative.
    Having never had a strong basis for faith, we only ever went to church when I was little and that was after a few deaths; used by my parents as a coping mechanism, I can't tell you what to do about that. I am my own rock, atop a mound of pebbles, people that I've forged bonds with, every now and then I slip a little, but I've just accepted that's the way it is and adjust accordingly.

    Try to be skeptical, not cynical. Forgive the cliche, but you HAVE to laugh, so you don't cry.

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    Oct 23, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
    You realize that you have to have a stable sense of self in order to function in a chaotic world. Build that; know who you are, be the best person you can be - and everything else will fall into place.
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:35 PM GMT

    "I have reached the terrifying realization that, contrary to our need for love and order, the universe is fundamentally a chaotic place. People are unpredictable. Events are discontinuous and volatile. Naturally, a nihilistic despair and terror follow from these realizations,..."


    icon_wink.gif Those are your personal perceptions; some of us see it entirely differently, like this:

    I reached the rather delightful realization that the universe appears to be a fundamentally chaotic place, yet instances of synchronicity, examples of human love, examples of animals displaying characteristics of said love with one another, has me thinking what I perceive as chaos may be merely the limitations of my comprehension. There's a great grandness to the mystery of existence and all it encompasses.

    -Doug
  • Lincsbear

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    Oct 24, 2011 2:40 PM GMT
    I struggle with such feelings sometime,but ultimately I see the universe, on large and small scales, as fundamentally ordered and patterned,predictable (to a high degree),yet still capable of creation/destruction and novelty.

    The problem for us humans is that it`s utterly indifferent to our existence. This is the biggest conundrum we all face, and no one has yet found the answer(despite all claims).

    Try to live your life as best you can and construct meaning that way.