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    All of the bills republicans have introduced are to satisfy their far right Christian 'talaban' who like the 'talaban', insist that their way is gods way and the way their god wants the US to go, its their goal to bring America back to God. (we should fear that process because who know what their god may have them doing for him, LOL) The TBaggers have these same goals so between the two Far Right Factions this republican effort is exactly what they want.

    The republicans have no interest at all in forwarding Job Creation because it would benefit Obama in his re-election campaign, this group aren't about to do anything that might help him.
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    realifedad said All of the bills republicans have introduced are to satisfy their far right Christian 'talaban' who like the 'talaban', insist that their way is gods way and the way their god wants the US to go, its their goal to bring America back to God. (we should fear that process because who know what their god may have them doing for him, LOL) The TBaggers have these same goals so between the two Far Right Factions this republican effort is exactly what they want.

    The republicans have no interest at all in forwarding Job Creation because it would benefit Obama in his re-election campaign, this group aren't about to do anything that might help him.


    "talaban" Dude, try TALIBAN

    so you can't even manage to sqeeze one "god damn" in this one.

    Here, I'll give you something to fear. You think your so called rights are under threat from the republicans? Would kinda pale compared to where this could lead.

    http://af.reuters.com/article/tunisiaNews/idAFL5E7LN01Y20111023?sp=true
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    Love it, good thread. Republicans are most interested in social engineering, the very thing of which they accuse Democrats & Liberals.
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    Note to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.
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    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    And again of course, you got it. That's to the credit of the Republicans.
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    Oct 23, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    but there don't seem to be any "business-friendly policies from a government" in the above list of actions by the Republican Party members of government....
    despite their phony mantra "where are the jobs?".
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    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    but there don't seem to be any "business-friendly policies from a government" in the above list of actions by the Republican Party members of government....
    despite their phony mantra "where are the jobs?".

    The actions come from the tax bills and the proposed budget. Much of the business friendly positions will also come about in changes in the regulatory burdens that will be made in the Executive Branch by the new administration.
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    And in addition – the overreach by regulatory agencies such NLRB and EPA
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    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    but there don't seem to be any "business-friendly policies from a government" in the above list of actions by the Republican Party members of government....
    despite their phony mantra "where are the jobs?".



    Same old bologna from the Republicans...trickle down reaganomics. If we continue to not tax the large corporations, they'll continue to produce jobs...the way they have for the past 5 years..
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    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    but there don't seem to be any "business-friendly policies from a government" in the above list of actions by the Republican Party members of government....
    despite their phony mantra "where are the jobs?".



    Same old bologna from the Republicans...trickle down reaganomics. If we continue to not tax and large corporations, they'll continue to produce jobs...the way they have for the past 5 years..







    You sure got this right !!! and SoCal as well as Geezer above, promote that tired excuse for job creation claim of Boner, Cantor and McConnell's that removing all regulation and what few taxes actually land on the mostly tax exempt corps constitutes job creation. But just like you said, where is the proof from the last 5 years, hell make that 10 years.
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    Menergy_1 said
    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    but there don't seem to be any "business-friendly policies from a government" in the above list of actions by the Republican Party members of government....
    despite their phony mantra "where are the jobs?".



    Same old bologna from the Republicans...trickle down reaganomics. If we continue to not tax and large corporations, they'll continue to produce jobs...the way they have for the past 5 years..



    You sure got this right !!! and SoCal as well as Geezer above, promote that tired excuse for job creation claim of Boner, Cantor and McConnell's that removing all regulation and what few taxes actually land on the mostly tax exempt corps constitutes job creation. But just like you said, where is the proof from the last 5 years, hell make that 10 years.


    Good try, but geezer is far from an insult and considering you're the same age I am ..... pot = kettle.

    Get that keyboard macro fixed yet? You know, the one you have for 'ctrl H' for hate. So you can fix that "Talaban" misspelling of your – yes, your beloved Taliban. Be an equal opportunity hater RLD. Try throwing a little hate Islam’s way and you’d have a fatwa at your door. I guess as much as you hate it, you’re proving how truly tolerant Judaism and Christianity are.
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    freedomisntfree saidAnd in addition – the overreach by regulatory agencies such NLRB and EPA

    Exactly correct. To the taxes question, one Democratic President who did see economic prosperity in his term was more practical than the ideological positions we see coming from the current administration and its loyal followers.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/bill-clinton-obama-taxes/2011/09/20/id/411720

    Former President Bill Clinton tells Newsmax that Washington should not raise taxes until the slumping economy is turned around — and says President Obama’s plan to increase taxes on the wealthy won’t solve the debt problem.

    There are a number of things Clinton says that would appeal to liberals, while still palatable to businesses. Contrast that to what we have today.

    Note to some RJ members as applicable: Using dismissive terms such as "Same old bologna from the Republicans" is a good way to not have civil discussions. From my part, I only participate here because there appear to be some lurkers that sometimes post such as http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1900211/ Except for that, seems many others are not capable of understanding other points of view. Whatever.
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.

    And Republicans concentrating on denying women abortions, and gays marriage and equal rights, creates jobs HOW? This is the primary focus of the Republican Party, the thing you and other right-wingers here are trying to ignore, and refuse to address.

    Now what has the Republican legislative social agenda got to do with improving the economy, and putting Americans back to work? Please answer the question directly for once, without evasions.
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    Judgin' by that assuption after the last Blowjob the Bush administration gave the "business" community we shoulda been swimmin in jobs

    WHA' HAPPENED?

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    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.

    And Republicans concentrating on denying women abortions, and gays marriage and equal rights, creates jobs HOW? This is the primary focus of the Republican Party, the thing you and other right-wingers here are trying to ignore, and refuse to address.

    Now what has the Republican legislative social agenda got to do with improving the economy, and putting Americans back to work? Please answer the question directly for once, without evasions.

    Never evaded the question. I am not in favor of much of the social agenda promoted by many Republicans. I believe true Conservatism is keeping the Government out of the bedroom as well as being arms-length away from my wallet. Many of the politicians are taking positions to get votes from the social conservatives. I don't think that agenda will ultimately hold as much of these issues are dealt with at the state level, and that at the federal level, enough Democrats and moderate Republicans will keep these policies in check. Also, over time, we see trends moving away from these social positions. In the meantime, I am driven more by the economy. As the more moderate Democrats, e.g. blue-dogs, have been marginalized by the more left progressives, I don't see a place in the Democratic Party for someone with my positions. Furthermore, I see the progressive economic positions as highly toxic and they must be stopped.

    You may not agree, but is that direct enough? Basically stated this many times before.
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    Oct 23, 2011 4:02 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    Judgin' by that assuption after the last Blowjob the Bush administration gave the "business" community we shoulda been swimmin in jobs

    WHA' HAPPENED?

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    realifedad said All of the bills republicans have introduced are to satisfy their far right Christian 'talaban' who like the 'talaban', insist that their way is gods way and the way their god wants the US to go, its their goal to bring America back to God. (we should fear that process because who know what their god may have them doing for him, LOL) The TBaggers have these same goals so between the two Far Right Factions this republican effort is exactly what they want.

    The republicans have no interest at all in forwarding Job Creation because it would benefit Obama in his re-election campaign, this group aren't about to do anything that might help him.


    Tell you what RLD, let’s do a little comparison just for fun, since you’re in Bristol, why don’t you dress up in your gayest, swishy butt apparel and head on over to http://www.bristolmotorspeedway.com for maybe http://www.bristolmotorspeedway.com/events/nationwide/ for a Nationwide Cup day and then for comparison dress in the best, obvious Coptic Christian or Hasidic Jewish dress plus a little obvious gay and then hang out in Telfair square or equivalent. Then report back to us all, if still alive, on where you were most tolerated.

    Can't think of anywhere around you where you're more likely to run into your beloved "Far Right funde Christian Taliban Tbaggers" than Bristol.

    But since its such a nice day, it's time for me to get out of here and go hang out at National Trail Raceway with my ”Far Right funde Christian Taliban Tbaggers” (and since you somehow left the “God damn” out of your last post, I’ll do the same) friends who are incidentally far more tolerant than you. Go figure!
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    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    but there don't seem to be any "business-friendly policies from a government" in the above list of actions by the Republican Party members of government....
    despite their phony mantra "where are the jobs?".



    Same old bologna from the Republicans...trickle down reaganomics. If we continue to not tax the large corporations, they'll continue to produce jobs...the way they have for the past 5 years..


    "reaganomics" huh? Why not tell us all how many jobs were created during the Reagan Administration? Hint: its a big bunch
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    Oct 23, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    freedomisntfreeAnd in addition – the overreach by regulatory agencies such NLRB and EPA


    They're not overreaching. In fact, they're woefully inadequate policies. Sorry, I happen to like clean air, water, and not poison the land in which I live. The EPA is a good thing - unless you're trying to cut corners to make a profit which makes you unethical anyway. Sure, there are some things that are annoying to follow or more cost-prohibitive, but that is to ensure that we're not going to raze the earth in twenty years.
    This would be like trying to get rid of things like OSHA and the CDC. Sure, it costs money to enforce disease control and to have vaccinations readily available... but it is worth it, no? And why not have the same mentality when it comes to the environment?

    socalfitness Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    If the private sector were truly going to stimulate the economy, they should have done so already. But they fucked themselves over by creating unsustainable business practices, and now they are too afraid to create any new growth with the fear that they might lose more money than they already have. Which is funny, since they already have far more money than they would ever want or need, and still are making a killing in their business.

    Economic growth is not created solely by corporations and rich individuals having wealth and investing it back into the American economy (I suspect these two are hoarding their wealth right now, bemoaning the fact that they can only afford domestic caviar as opposed to the fine Beluga caviar they need and crave)

    I will quote another member's thoughts here, since their thinking is on point:

    "Tax cuts for corporations and millionaires/billionaires do not create jobs. They never have, and they never will. Why? Because people don't create jobs. Demand for products or services creates jobs. This is the fundamental aspect of our free market system. The claim that the extra money millionaires/corporations pocket from tax cuts will be recirculated into creating new jobs is false. Employers will not hire workers if there is no demand for what they are selling. This is simple economics and common sense. Cutting taxes will not create jobs. That said, what WILL create jobs? Well, if you ask business leaders, as Obama did the other day, they were unanimous in their response: investing in infrastructure. Infrastructure jobs are immediate, and will get those workers spending money on products and services, thus increasing demand and opening up the market for... NEW JOBS!!! Of course, Republicans ignore this, despite being "pro-business." How else can we create jobs? Research, development and innovation, which are priorities that our country has abandoned (excluding our miltary, but good luck seeing that technology being used to actually benefit society). How else can we create jobs? We need to invest in quality, public education. We need to create a strong work force, rather than a society of consumer drones. Yes, that means education reform, and yes, that means more spending, and yes, that means tax increases on the wealthiest Americans. It's the right thing to do and Democrats need to follow Presiden't Obama's example and hammer that message across the country."

    Which again hammers home the point - be part of the solution, or you are part of the problem. Republicans introducing these bills are just showing where their true priorities lie. I know that it's no use explaining since these bills are so ridiculous that the only way to save face is to use a red herring defense, because there's just no justifying these bills. But actions do really speak louder and more clearly than words, and it's easy to see that the GOP and the Tea Party have their priorities in the following:

    1) Abortion (which is ironic, since the kid can GTFoff my hands once it is born)
    2) Marriage (specifically heterosexual ones and against gay marriage)
    3) Religion (because those poor Christians are oppressed)
    4) Hating women (everything from denying abortions to defunding planned parenthood, to redefining rape)

    Hardly anything about jobs. Hardly anything that followed the Tea Party's original message of correcting the political mess in Washington (which is why they are failing, since they have been co-opted by the establishment). And certainly nothing that I would ever want to be associated with, which is why (though I question the direction the Democrats are headed in) the Democrats are truly the lesser evil, simply because the Republicans are the fucking batshit crazy and frothing at the mouth evil alternative.
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    freedomisntfreeAnd in addition – the overreach by regulatory agencies such NLRB and EPA


    They're not overreaching. In fact, they're woefully inadequate policies. Sorry, I happen to like clean air, water, and not poison the land in which I live. The EPA is a good thing - unless you're trying to cut corners to make a profit which makes you unethical anyway. Sure, there are some things that are annoying to follow or more cost-prohibitive, but that is to ensure that we're not going to raze the earth in twenty years.
    This would be like trying to get rid of things like OSHA and the CDC. Sure, it costs money to enforce disease control and to have vaccinations readily available... but it is worth it, no? And why not have the same mentality when it comes to the environment?

    socalfitness Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    If the private sector were truly going to stimulate the economy, they should have done so already. But they fucked themselves over by creating unsustainable business practices, and now they are too afraid to create any new growth with the fear that they might lose more money than they already have. Which is funny, since they already have far more money than they would ever want or need, and still are making a killing in their business.

    Economic growth is not created solely by corporations and rich individuals having wealth and investing it back into the American economy (I suspect these two are hoarding their wealth right now, bemoaning the fact that they can only afford domestic caviar as opposed to the fine Beluga caviar they need and crave)

    I will quote another member's thoughts here, since their thinking is on point:

    "Tax cuts for corporations and millionaires/billionaires do not create jobs. They never have, and they never will. Why? Because people don't create jobs. Demand for products or services creates jobs. This is the fundamental aspect of our free market system. The claim that the extra money millionaires/corporations pocket from tax cuts will be recirculated into creating new jobs is false. Employers will not hire workers if there is no demand for what they are selling. This is simple economics and common sense. Cutting taxes will not create jobs. That said, what WILL create jobs? Well, if you ask business leaders, as Obama did the other day, they were unanimous in their response: investing in infrastructure. Infrastructure jobs are immediate, and will get those workers spending money on products and services, thus increasing demand and opening up the market for... NEW JOBS!!! Of course, Republicans ignore this, despite being "pro-business." How else can we create jobs? Research, development and innovation, which are priorities that our country has abandoned (excluding our miltary, but good luck seeing that technology being used to actually benefit society). How else can we create jobs? We need to invest in quality, public education. We need to create a strong work force, rather than a society of consumer drones. Yes, that means education reform, and yes, that means more spending, and yes, that means tax increases on the wealthiest Americans. It's the right thing to do and Democrats need to follow Presiden't Obama's example and hammer that message across the country."

    Which again hammers home the point - be part of the solution, or you are part of the problem. Republicans introducing these bills are just showing where their true priorities lie. I know that it's no use explaining since these bills are so ridiculous that the only way to save face is to use a red herring defense, because there's just no justifying these bills. But actions do really speak louder and more clearly than words, and it's easy to see that the GOP and the Tea Party have their priorities in the following:

    1) Abortion (which is ironic, since the kid can GTFoff my hands once it is born)
    2) Marriage (specifically heterosexual ones and against gay marriage)
    3) Religion (because those poor Christians are oppressed)
    4) Hating women (everything from denying abortions to defunding planned parenthood, to redefining rape)

    Hardly anything about jobs. Hardly anything that followed the Tea Party's original message of correcting the political mess in Washington (which is why they are failing, since they have been co-opted by the establishment). And certainly nothing that I would ever want to be associated with, which is why (though I question the direction the Democrats are headed in) the Democrats are truly the lesser evil, simply because the Republicans are the fucking batshit crazy and frothing at the mouth evil alternative.


    You see, all chances of a constructive dialog end right there "Hating women".
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    Oct 23, 2011 5:04 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidI believe true Conservatism is keeping the Government out of the bedroom as well as being arms-length away from my wallet.

    EVASION!!!

    "True Conservatism" is not calling the shots in the Republican Party. Extreme right-wing social engineering is, driven by the Teabagger fanatics. And you vote for it, and encourage the rest of us to do likewise, by your own admission. Why, I wonder, since it's harmful to gays?

    And Conservatives are not keeping themselves out of our bedrooms. On the contrary, that is exactly where they want to go. In various States they are trying to make homosexual acts in the bedroom illegal, and making oral sex illegal, even among straights. Apparently you do not read the news.

    Here's just one example, a quote from the Texas GOP Party platform. Please note that "sodomy" includes oral sex:

    “We oppose the legalization of sodomy,” the platform states. “We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.”

    This is what RJ Republicans here support, and urge us to endorse. REALLY???
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    socalfitness Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.
    ...Demand for products or services creates jobs. This is the fundamental aspect of our free market system. ...
    investing in infrastructure. Infrastructure jobs are immediate, and will get those workers spending money on products and services, thus increasing demand and opening up the market for... NEW JOBS!!! ...

    Demand creating jobs is of course correct, but not the complete picture. In some industries, there is some limited demand that could stimulate growth, but the hiring which would lead to growth is being suppressed mostly by the uncertainties in the cost of doing business based on the number of new EPA regulations and the actions of the NLRB as well health care costs, which remain uncertain. If those regulations and uncertainties were removed, businesses could hire a modest amount, increasing employment, which would in turn increase demand, which in turn would enable them to hire more. In other words, a spiral in a good direction. But they won't hire now.

    As far as infrastructure spending, look at the Government's recent track record, specifically the unemployment rate and the cost per job created. Not impressive at all. Also look at how the money was wasted.

    Lastly, why don't you take a look at the comments by Bill Clinton, link provided above, and provide a critique of his positions.
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    Oct 23, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidNote to OP: Jobs that promote economic growth are in the private sector and are not produced by jobs bills. That growth is stimulated by business-friendly policies from a government.


    but there don't seem to be any "business-friendly policies from a government" in the above list of actions by the Republican Party members of government....
    despite their phony mantra "where are the jobs?".



    Same old bologna from the Republicans...trickle down reaganomics. If we continue to not tax the large corporations, they'll continue to produce jobs...the way they have for the past 5 years..


    "reaganomics" huh? Why not tell us all how many jobs were created during the Reagan Administration? Hint: its a big bunch


    http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2011/02/debunking-myths-about-ronald-reagan-a-pctc-special-comment.html

    i think the blog's name basically sums it up. ^^^^
    Now for some fun charts.

    http://rationalrevolution.net/war/trickle_down.htm
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    Oct 23, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
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    You see, all chances of a constructive dialog end right there "Hating women".


    Oh, do not bitch at me about ending chances of constructive dialog. Call it what it is, and the fact that the proponents of the bill view women in a deragatory, subservient, dehumanizing manner.

    http://jezebel.com/5849839/house-passes-let-women-die-bill-after-extremely-depressing-debate

    These women are being portrayed as walking fetus growth chambers, and the proponents are so concerned with a concept that they are willing to sacrifice real women for an ideology. Instead of concerning themselves with the humanity that is here and now, suffering and requiring their help, they'd rather concern themselves with a matter that they shouldn't even be involved in.