Being Gay and Conservative

  • Dukie

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    Oct 23, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
    So lots of people just assume because you are gay that you are very liberal and/or a Democrat. But there are actually plenty of out and proud conservatives. My best friend is very conservative (socially and fiscally) and will talk on and on about it. I would love to hear what people think about gays who support policies and candidates such as Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum. Is it socially unacceptable to be gay and Republican?

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    Oct 23, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    Either they don't know a lot about the policies promoted by Bachmann, Santorum et al., or they have a special ability to hold contradictory thoughts in their heads simultaneously and don't sense the contradiction.

    It's also possible that they are primarily Republican, and only secondarily gay. E.g. GOProud.
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:41 PM GMT
    Dukie saidSo lots of people just assume because you are gay that you are very liberal and/or a Democrat. But there are actually plenty of out and proud conservatives. My best friend is very conservative (socially and fiscally) and will talk on and on about it. I would love to hear what people think about gays who support policies and candidates such as Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum. Is it socially unacceptable to be gay and Republican?

    Andrei
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    Yeah... I'm conservative (fiscally) I am gay and the GOP and its platform are assholes. Bachmann is a cunt and santorum is a bonafide whacko.

    To answer your question, you CANNOT be 'socially' accepted by either santorum or bachmann.. or do you wear hearing aids and have them turned off?
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    I don't see a thing wrong with being conservative, but not in ways that back the likes of Bachmann and Santorum, who are hell bent on taking the US backwards to about 1950 or earlier, its in the best interests of everyone to vote down their version of gods way to run the country. Those two nor god should have 'a horse in this race'.
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    Oct 23, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    I'm very curious to hear a description of a socially conservative gay person.

  • Dukie

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    Oct 23, 2011 4:10 PM GMT
    p.s. I'm asking the question for personal reasons, not for my blog (my best friend is super conservative, and we have interesting debates). The responses all make a lot of sense. I'm also pretty fiscally republican but socially liberal, so personally i don't really identify with any party at the moment...but I would never consider myself a "conservative" per se, not even fiscally.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 23, 2011 4:12 PM GMT
    When a candidate TELLS you that they disapprove of your lifestyle
    and have been using all of their political power to make your life as uncomfortable as possible as a gay man

    What in God's name would make you want to vote for them?

    Take them at their word .... there is no secret message there ... you are their target
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    Oct 23, 2011 4:14 PM GMT
    You might take a look at a couple of my messages here
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1901188

    ADDED: One thing you'll note. There are some liberal members here with whom you can have a discussion. You may have very different viewpoints, but they can maintain a dialog. Others are very shallow intellectually, generally don't understand a whole lot behind slogans, and will only bait and ridicule. It is pretty transparent that these guys are not capable of any meaningful dialog. Most of the time, they are best ignored, except when you feel like toying with them a bit.
  • tazzari

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    Oct 23, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    I don't see a thing wrong with being conservative, but not in ways that back the likes of Bachmann and Santorum, who are hell bent on taking the US backwards to about 1950 or earlier, its in the best interests of everyone to vote down their version of gods way to run the country. Those two nor god should have 'a horse in this race'.

    Bravo!

    Except their 1950's is a myth.

    Now will all the Jewish Nazis please stand up?
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    Oct 23, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal on most issues (although personally socially conservative in how I choose to live).

    You cannot support candidates who hate you and pretend to love yourself and be proud of yourself as a gay person at the same time -- it just makes no sense and there's almost no justification for it. Some times I am forced to support a candidate who isn't pro-gay because fiscal and economic issues take precedence, but I personally draw the line if the candidate is overtly demonstrating that they are going to work against my rights as a gay person. Every gay "conservative" or "libertarian" has a different line.

    I could never support anyone like Santorum or Bachmann.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 23, 2011 6:37 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said

    I could never support anyone like Santorum or Bachmann.



    Neither could I. Thankfully, even most straight people seemingly don't support them. I suspect their campaigns have one foot in the grave.
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    Oct 23, 2011 6:41 PM GMT
    tazzari saidI don't see a thing wrong with being conservative, but not in ways that back the likes of Bachmann and Santorum, who are hell bent on taking the US backwards to about 1950 or earlier, its in the best interests of everyone to vote down their version of gods way to run the country. Those two nor god should have 'a horse in this race'.

    Bravo!

    Except their 1950's is a myth.

    Now will all the Jewish Nazis please stand up?

    Equating support or opposition to gay marriage with genocide against millions is truly pathetic. If you had any dignity, you would be completely ashamed of yourself and apologize, but I won't hold my breath.
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    Oct 23, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    tazzari saidI don't see a thing wrong with being conservative, but not in ways that back the likes of Bachmann and Santorum, who are hell bent on taking the US backwards to about 1950 or earlier, its in the best interests of everyone to vote down their version of gods way to run the country. Those two nor god should have 'a horse in this race'.

    Bravo!

    Except their 1950's is a myth.

    Now will all the Jewish Nazis please stand up?

    Equating support or opposition to gay marriage with genocide against millions is truly pathetic. If you had any dignity, you would be completely ashamed of yourself and apologize, but I won't hold my breath.


    Don't tell US SoCal ..... Tell HIM

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    http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2011/10/10/gay-african-man-beaten-burned-alive-by-angry-mob-extremely-graphic-video/

    You can't even get out of your own homosexual way can you? icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 24, 2011 12:10 AM GMT
    GQjock said
    socalfitness said
    tazzari saidI don't see a thing wrong with being conservative, but not in ways that back the likes of Bachmann and Santorum, who are hell bent on taking the US backwards to about 1950 or earlier, its in the best interests of everyone to vote down their version of gods way to run the country. Those two nor god should have 'a horse in this race'.

    Bravo!

    Except their 1950's is a myth.

    Now will all the Jewish Nazis please stand up?

    Equating support or opposition to gay marriage with genocide against millions is truly pathetic. If you had any dignity, you would be completely ashamed of yourself and apologize, but I won't hold my breath.


    Don't tell US SoCal ..... Tell HIM

    Gay-African-Man-Beaten-Burned-Alive-by-A
    http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2011/10/10/gay-african-man-beaten-burned-alive-by-angry-mob-extremely-graphic-video/

    You can't even get out of your own homosexual way can you? icon_confused.gif

    GQJock - your comment and the photo had nothing to do with my comment to the other member on his comparison of gay policies with Nazi genocide. You just toss out random shit to incite because you lack the ability to say anything substantive. You are one of the worst on the forum. I have high regard for a number of liberals, but you really are rock bottom.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 24, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    GQjock said
    socalfitness said
    tazzari saidI don't see a thing wrong with being conservative, but not in ways that back the likes of Bachmann and Santorum, who are hell bent on taking the US backwards to about 1950 or earlier, its in the best interests of everyone to vote down their version of gods way to run the country. Those two nor god should have 'a horse in this race'.

    Bravo!

    Except their 1950's is a myth.

    Now will all the Jewish Nazis please stand up?

    Equating support or opposition to gay marriage with genocide against millions is truly pathetic. If you had any dignity, you would be completely ashamed of yourself and apologize, but I won't hold my breath.


    Don't tell US SoCal ..... Tell HIM

    Gay-African-Man-Beaten-Burned-Alive-by-A
    http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2011/10/10/gay-african-man-beaten-burned-alive-by-angry-mob-extremely-graphic-video/

    You can't even get out of your own homosexual way can you? icon_confused.gif

    GQJock - your comment and the photo had nothing to do with my comment to the other member on his comparison of gay policies with Nazi genocide. You just toss out random shit to incite because you lack the ability to say anything substantive. You are one of the worst on the forum. I have high regard for a number of liberals, but you really are rock bottom.



    Comparison and what I take as a wonderful compliment stand

    By the way SoCal ... he's still dead
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    Oct 24, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidYou might take a look at a couple of my messages here
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1901188

    ADDED: One thing you'll note. There are some liberal members here with whom you can have a discussion. You may have very different viewpoints, but they can maintain a dialog. Others are very shallow intellectually, generally don't understand a whole lot behind slogans, and will only bait and ridicule. It is pretty transparent that these guys are not capable of any meaningful dialog. Most of the time, they are best ignored, except when you feel like toying with them a bit.
    Too bad you didnt add the disclaimer.. so I will.

    ADDED disclaimer: One thing you'll note. There are some 'conservative' members here with whom you can have a discussion. You may have very different viewpoints, but they can maintain a dialog. Others are very shallow intellectually or dishonest intellectually, generally don't understand a whole lot behind slogans, and will only bait and ridicule. It is pretty transparent that these guys are not capable of any meaningful dialog. Most of the time, they are best ignored, except when you feel like toying with them a bit.
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    Oct 24, 2011 12:58 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI am fiscally conservative and socially liberal on most issues (although personally socially conservative in how I choose to live).

    Thats because you dont want to loose that 'standing' you have amongst your GOP circle.. they'd throw you out in a New York split second if they actually knew.. that you were a homosexual.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 24, 2011 4:14 AM GMT
    GQjock said<

    You can't even get out of your own homosexual way can you? icon_confused.gif



    Actually, GQ, I think it's YOU that has a problem getting out of your own homosexual way.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock said<

    You can't even get out of your own homosexual way can you? icon_confused.gif



    Actually, GQ, I think it's YOU that has a problem getting out of your own homosexual way.

    I think the real problem results from having only one testicle, a specific form of cryptorchism. Hitler is thought to have suffered from the same malady, so the reference to Nazis is what might have brought on his random, unfocused attacks. The malady, by itself, does not lead to psychological manifestations, but when accompanied by distinctive family pathologies, it leads to the random, unfocused behavior we see here.
  • creature

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    Oct 24, 2011 5:07 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI am fiscally conservative and socially liberal on most issues (although personally socially conservative in how I choose to live).

    You cannot support candidates who hate you and pretend to love yourself and be proud of yourself as a gay person at the same time -- it just makes no sense and there's almost no justification for it. Some times I am forced to support a candidate who isn't pro-gay because fiscal and economic issues take precedence, but I personally draw the line if the candidate is overtly demonstrating that they are going to work against my rights as a gay person. Every gay "conservative" or "libertarian" has a different line.

    I could never support anyone like Santorum or Bachmann.


    I think you're overstepping things a bit re Santorum and Bachmann. I don't believe they hate gay people. They just believe gays are making the wrong choice, even though it's not a choice at all.

    You and a few others have always barked about how being gay is just one aspect of who you are, and that it's perfectly feasible to support a Republican candidate who supports anti-gay measures, but is fiscally conservative. And that's true. If you care more about conservative fiscal measures than you do about civil rights, then I guess you should vote Republican.

    However I find it quite contradictory that you are telling people that they don't love themselves because they're willing to vote for Bachmann or Santorun, when you have voted for Republicans, who perhaps unbeknownst to you, may have similar social views to those presidential candidates.

    I know you have mocked the term self-loathing gay when it was thrown around in the forum, and here you are using its variant.

    If I was fiscally conservative and thought those issues were more important than civil rights, I would vote for Bachmann.

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  • tazzari

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    Oct 24, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    Equating support or opposition to gay marriage with genocide against millions is truly pathetic. If you had any dignity, you would be completely ashamed of yourself and apologize, but I won't hold my breath.

    Oddly, I never mentioned marriage, nor is that the theme of this thread. Nor do you have any idea what dignity I may or may not have, as you don't know me.

    But I will not apologize. The right-wing conservatives I know would, I think, happily lock us all up - and that includes part of my family. And you are probably too young to remember, but when the AIDS crisis hit its stride, the Montana legislature passed a resolution to put gays into concentration camps. There was a huge outcry nationally and a day or so later they rescinded it. But no, I do not think genocide is that far from the thoughts of some of those people.

    I am not ashamed of myself - but at 63 I have seen enough hatred towards us, enough violence, hysteria, lies and using us to incite hatred and gain power that I do NOT see
    how that differs from genocide in what matters, which is intention.

    Gays were rounded up with Jews and herded into camps - I have seen the pink triangles at Dachau. If the American political system will not permit extremists to go that far, and if the American ethos ultimately is fair - that does NOT mean that these people do not think we are half persons who deserve no rights and do not deserve equality, or shouldn't be locked up or punished for who we are, or that kids shouldn't be tormented for being gay.

    Have you fought the battles I have? Did you come out in the 60's and risk job and friends? Did you see friends die from AIDS and "religious" people didn't give a damn? Did you work to change your church, your friends, the laws? Get fired? I did.

    So no, I won't apologize.
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    tazzari said Equating support or opposition to gay marriage with genocide against millions is truly pathetic. If you had any dignity, you would be completely ashamed of yourself and apologize, but I won't hold my breath.

    Oddly, I never mentioned marriage, nor is that the theme of this thread. Nor do you have any idea what dignity I may or may not have, as you don't know me.

    But I will not apologize. The right-wing conservatives I know would, I think, happily lock us all up - and that includes part of my family. And you are probably too young to remember, but when the AIDS crisis hit its stride, the Montana legislature passed a resolution to put gays into concentration camps. There was a huge outcry nationally and a day or so later they rescinded it. But no, I do not think genocide is that far from the thoughts of some of those people.

    I am not ashamed of myself - but at 63 I have seen enough hatred towards us, enough violence, hysteria, lies and using us to incite hatred and gain power that I do NOT see
    how that differs from genocide in what matters, which is intention.

    Gays were rounded up with Jews and herded into camps - I have seen the pink triangles at Dachau. If the American political system will not permit extremists to go that far, and if the American ethos ultimately is fair - that does NOT mean that these people do not think we are half persons who deserve no rights and do not deserve equality, or shouldn't be locked up or punished for who we are, or that kids shouldn't be tormented for being gay.

    Have you fought the battles I have? Did you come out in the 60's and risk job and friends? Did you see friends die from AIDS and "religious" people didn't give a damn? Did you work to change your church, your friends, the laws? Get fired? I did.

    So no, I won't apologize.

    Well, at least you respond. I'll give you that. I'm of the same age to see what you have seen, and there is no comparison between the two, despite your tortured logic to draw a parallel.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 24, 2011 10:07 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock said<

    You can't even get out of your own homosexual way can you? icon_confused.gif



    Actually, GQ, I think it's YOU that has a problem getting out of your own homosexual way.

    I think the real problem results from having only one testicle, a specific form of cryptorchism. Hitler is thought to have suffered from the same malady, so the reference to Nazis is what might have brought on his random, unfocused attacks. The malady, by itself, does not lead to psychological manifestations, but when accompanied by distinctive family pathologies, it leads to the random, unfocused behavior we see here.


    Now I'm being compared to Hitler ... LOL

    You really HAVE been watchin FOX too long
    You wanna use Pre-WWII as an analogy ...Lets
    The Nazi Party came to power using one segment of the population as a scapegoat for the ills of its country's woes
    Sound Familiar?
    They gained power and soon it was too late
    Even the sane people who had voiced opposition were silenced by sheer might

    Write this down and put it in your pocket ... so you don't forget it because hate is hate no matter where it comes from

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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    Oct 24, 2011 2:19 PM GMT
    Dukie saidSo lots of people just assume because you are gay that you are very liberal and/or a Democrat. But there are actually plenty of out and proud conservatives. My best friend is very conservative (socially and fiscally) and will talk on and on about it. I would love to hear what people think about gays who support policies and candidates such as Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum. Is it socially unacceptable to be gay and Republican?

    Andrei
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    The best approach is probably to find Republicans who are gay and support candidates like Bachmann and Santorum, and ask them what their thought process was to reach that conclusion.

    Beyond that, I do think that in some circles it is socially unacceptable to be gay and Republican, but I think those circles are diminishing in number and shrinking in size as time passes, and as groups like the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud grow and diversify along with the increasing number of comfortably out young gay men. Its probably more socially acceptable to be gay and conservative in places like Pensacola, San Diego and Salt Lake City as opposed to San Francisco, Boston and perhaps Atlanta.

    Its entirely possible to live as a man who is gay and conservative, IF you understand the roots of the modern conservative movement and live your life according to that philosophy.

    Good hunting.
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    Oct 24, 2011 4:11 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidI am fiscally conservative and socially liberal on most issues (although personally socially conservative in how I choose to live).

    Thats because you dont want to loose that 'standing' you have amongst your GOP circle.. they'd throw you out in a New York split second if they actually knew.. that you were a homosexual.


    wtf? All of the friends I have already know I'm gay. Your accusation is beyond stupid.

    And btw, it's "lose", not "loose", unless you're referring to your ass.