Illegal Drug Usage.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 16, 2007 4:38 PM GMT
    I thought I was a fairly jaded guy, not naive by any standards. Yet I’m surprised still by how many guys, especially otherwise healthy guys, engage in recreational drug use. This may be immodest of me to state, but I’ve always thought of myself as too smart to ever be dumb enough to use mind-altering substances. I was born in 1980 and Nancy Regan’s mantra of “Just Say No” is ingrained into my psyche forever. I don’t believe in the old cop-out excuse of “peer pressure,” that is just another way to justify weak character flaws.

    Over the weekend in the chat room I was speaking with a very amicable, handsome and muscular gentleman (of some RJ fame) who casually mentioned that he had gotten “so” high the weekend before. I’ve chatted with other men who have made the same comments as well, as if this is normal, acceptable behavior. I find it…I don’t know; frightening, appalling, disgusting, disturbing?

    What are your thoughts on drug usage for recreational purposes? Even Marijuana/Pot/Hashish?

    I know several men on here went through dark, drug-fueled, periods and are now clean and I’d like to hear from them as well.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 16, 2007 5:14 PM GMT
    Thank you for suggesting this topic. Just yesterday I was in town checking out apts cause of my job. I brought my mtn bike to explore the phenomenal mtn bike trails there along the rivers and lakes that surround the town.
    I notice a young man 30ish, stradled across his bike, holding a plastic bag covering his mouth and nose. I thought that was strange, however I carried on ridng. "bout a half an hour later I run into the same individual in a treed area. I pull up and get to see what he was doing.
    Turns out he was sniffing glue(puts a tube of glue in a plastic bag)-I got closer, he looked unwell. I asked him how long had he been sniffing glue-15 years!!! We talked-he eventually got to the ? Asked me if I was gay-and then said I could suck his dick for money.
    So my concern is- he got to this point from where? recreational drug use...does it lead to addiction? It appears there are spinoff behaviors.
    I am too chickenshit to use "recreational" or prescription drugs then go out in public to do whatever.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 16, 2007 5:38 PM GMT
    There are a lot of fantasy story's about drugs, first of all you should understand that the "forbidden list" contains a lot of harmless drugs that was put on it by political or economic purpose, not because they are dangerous. A study a few weeks back in great Brittian brought up some interesting things. They asked some policemen, some doctors and some fysicians to rate "drugs" in: dangerous to health, addiction and communityproblems. At the end, it showed that alcohol and sigarettes where in the top 5 while for example XTC was on place 23. Studies also showed that addiction is genetic. so if someone isn't getting addicted to drugs, he/se will be on gambling, eating or what ever can be an addiction.
    Fysically there is no effect of smoking pot, studies showed that medium use of xtc doesn't have any effect to a male. Off course you should be carefull and get well informed and most important, get reliable stuff. Then recreationel drugs use doesn't any harm and can enritchen youre life .
  • Lincsbear

    Posts: 2589

    Jul 16, 2007 6:13 PM GMT
    I would be against it.I don`t smoke, and drink alcohol very lightly ie no more than a pint of bitter/lager a week.It always seemed to me that when others took illegal drugs, they were trying to escape from various "bad" things like memories,experiences,unpleasant jobs,etc.The one thing they should have been doing,facing up to these problems,they couldn`t because they were stoned in some way.Drugs seem a way of avoiding reality.
    I agree with Thygros about alcohol.It does seem to be in a class of its own.I grew up with an alcoholic neighbour,and it`s a very tragic story...
    In Great Britain it`s estimated something like eighty odd percent of all violent crime is alcohol caused and/or aggravated.When I was a polce officer,in a quiet rural area,the violent incidents usually involved alcohol.If I got verbal/physical abuse,they were the drunks.
    I`ve no desire to try these drugs myself,but the desire/need to intoxicate oneself does seem pretty widespread,almost a natural part of human nature.I very much doubt they could be completely eliminated from society.But I think these drugs in the hands of amateurs...that`s a dangerous situation for individuals and society.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 16, 2007 7:04 PM GMT
    Good topic Crimthann. I've wondered why there has not been more on RJ about it. I tried marijuana years ago, X & K about 15 yrs ago. Pot makes me paranoid, X&K sleepy. Have enough vices of my own so don't want to condemn in others, but we don't see some guys much anymore because they use it, & gawd knows what else, too much, so they are not fun to be around anymore. From what I read in our gay paper, use is very high among Gay guys.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 16, 2007 10:11 PM GMT
    I have some comments, especially to that of Thygros...

    Not all substances are created equal... To say that addicition is determined by genetics is quite irresponsible as some substances are highly, highly addictive.

    Addiction process is often insideous and dependent on many facotrs. Sure genetics palys a role, but the eventual pathway for an individual to addiction a lot of times has less to do with genetics but rather what events and acts are associated with the experience of the high...

    One such example is crystal meth. Most gay men, unlike truckers, associate this high with sex, sex of super charged orgasms and complete break down od boundaries and inhibitions.

    And physiologically, crystal meth is definately NOT created equal. It is even MORE addictive than opiods...

    I strongly disagree that addiction is mostly genetic, at least when it comes to crystal meth..
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 12:05 AM GMT
    I agree with NYCmuscle that not all substances are the same, or have the same addictiveness. That said I think they should be legalized and treated like any other commodity. Sell them and tax them and use the money generated for rehab, plus you won't have the crime associated with it. But anyway that is my opinion.
    Personally, besides alcohol and the occasional cigarette, I have smoked pot a few times, but it didn't have much of an affect -- maybe a little mellower, but not really noticeably to me. Beyond that I don't have the desire to try anything else.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 12:34 AM GMT
    I have quite a bit of drug experience in my life, so all of my comments are not scientific, but empirical.

    The first drug I ever tried was Alcohol, not my bag. Then I did a lot of random drugs my friend's brothers got, I don't remember a lot of it, I was stupid and just took what they gave me. Keep in mind, I was 13 and went to catholic school with a bunch of rich kids. Then I started shooting up heroin for about a year. It changed my life. I dropped out of school in 8th grade (a good choice for me), and my mood was highly erratic. At one point, I couldn't sleep without shooting up. I quit heroin cold turkey at 15, because I knew my life would go no where if I continued to hang around those people.

    From there, I ended up dating a meth dealer in a rural area when I was 18. I only smoked pot, even though everyone else around me did much more. That lasted about a year, and after a few people I knew got raided, I decided I had no place in that scene, especially if my only attachment was a boy, not a drug.

    That said, I haven't tried every drug out there, but I have been around people that have used and abused pretty much everything. So in the end, I have my own opinion of how dangerous and evil some drugs are compared to others.

    I feel that the three more evil drugs are the three most culturally accepted. Cigarettes, Alcohol, and prescription drugs. I realize virtually any drug can be a prescription drug, but the idea that what you are given will fix a problem in yourself is the drug I speak of. Heroin, and most any amphetamine are pretty bad as well, I do not value people that do these drugs.

    I don't judge as harshly for users of party drugs. LSD, Ecstasy, G, etc. It's up to the people, as these drugs are generally more easily controlled. I will do some of these maybe once a year, if that. I've already done my drug experimentation, I will only do these things in an environment I deem to be a positive atmosphere. I don't find myself around people that use these drugs often.

    The drugs I am drawn to are the ones that I can go months without and not care. Mostly the natural recreational drugs. The weeds and the mushrooms. I don't like to eat processed foods, and I don't like to do processed drugs.

    Some months I will be a complete stoner, and others I won't even give it a second thought. I enjoy weed as it gives me a fresh point of view with little effort. Unlike many people, I feel I have the ability to be more focused on weed than to become unfocused. When I get high, I don't just sit around the house, I go for a walk, go throw a frisbee, go to the gym, something to harness my increased focus. In the end, when I get high, it is what I make of it. I can control my experience. Weed has the potential to control the weak, as apathy is a side effect for some. I do not associate with these people.

    Mushrooms I will do maybe once every couple of months, I attach spiritual weight to my mushroom trips, and often find deeper insight into myself on these trips, even if what I do isn't inherently spiritual, or if my goal is to merely have fun.

    Legality is not a good indicator on the potential for abuse. However, any drug can be bad if you are not strong enough to control it. Do what is comfortable for you, if you are fine being without, then there is no problem, and I would have no problem with you. If you decide to indulge, focus on self-control.
  • atxclimber

    Posts: 480

    Jul 17, 2007 1:03 AM GMT
    It's surprising to me to hear that guys on here, especially around my age, are scandalized by revelations of drug use.

    For me, the proof's in the pudding, and meth, heroin, and crack seem pretty universally awful. You don't meet many (any?) people who "casually" use crystal, smack, or smoke rock and otherwise function just fine.

    But weed? You were really that surprised about someone getting high? In my book that's totally equal to someone talking about getting pretty drunk. In fact, getting "so high" is less notable to me than getting "so drunk", aka hammered, sloshed, etc. because people who are high out of their minds sit on couches and watch TV. People who are hammered make fools of themselves, get in trouble, sometimes drive, often vomit, etc.

    Cigarettes are the ones that get me. I went to Splash (big gay weekend on the lake in Austin here) a few months ago and all these fit-looking thin, muscular guys are chain smoking like there's no tomorrow. Wtf?

    Like I said, the proof's in the pudding. Cigarettes give you cancer. Excessive drinking destroys your liver and can turn into an ugly addiction.

    Weed, on the other hand, certainly can be carcinogenic if you smoke it, but so's standing over a campfire and breathing. If you use a vaporizer, to my knowledge marijuana has no demonstrable negative health effects (other than random shit the scaremongers make up.) It's not physically addictive, etc.

    Marijuana and I don't get along -- if I get high, for about 3 days afterwards it depresses me, I'm all gloomy and sad and demotivated, so I stay away from the stuff myself. But if it weren't for that, I think it's great stuff. No hangovers, no known negative health consequences, etc.

    Crim, have you ever smoked / eaten / inhaled / etc. pot? I'd be surprised if you had, given that you think its use is "frightening, appalling, disgusting, disturbing." There's nothing unhealthy about the stuff, you know.

    As for Nancy Reagan, I dunno about that. But I do see a lot of people our age wearing the "D.A.R.E." t-shirts... and I'm pretty sure they're wearing them ironically.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 1:06 AM GMT
    Huh? I thought Thygros' point was that not all drugs are created equal, that some are more dangerous than others.

    I don't drink or do drugs, not because I don't like them, but because I was overly fond of them in my 20s. Actually, I was over-fond of alcohol. Drugs I was weirdly respectful of but maybe too experimental with for a few years.

    As was true for many of my generation, LSD was a thoroughly mind-blowing experience that I don't regret in the least. I only did it a few times, actually, but it certainly affected me in a positive way. Later, in the early 90s, I worked with Stanislav Grof, who did the initial research into LSD and therapy with the dying. He and his wife Christina developed holotropic breathwork, a way of inducing an LSD-like trance, after the chemical became illegal. It was fascinating work.

    Through Grof and a friend who was John Lilly's editor, I met Terrence McKenna and attended several of his workshops. Lilly, McKenna and Timothy Leary did strike me as kinda fucked up by their drug use, but they were nonetheless visionaries -- as was Richard Alpert, Leary's colleague, who became the guru Ram Dass.

    I've also done ayahuasca, the "shamanic drug," in Mexico. A friend, a former lawyer, ran away to Mexico to join a ayahuasca cult. I really couldn't get past the fact that it made me vomit uncontrollably. My friend is still touring the underworld with his shaman.

    Of course, the hallucinogenics had a different appeal than crystal meth, which has fucked up so many people I never thought would have a drug problem.

    During my master's program I studied under a famous MD who had a very heavy XTC habit. I tried that stuff 6 times, each time with a different "brand," and never got a single thing out of it except some insomnia. Apparently I'm immune to it, which is just as well.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 1:28 AM GMT
    Thygros – How does doing drugs enrich your life?

    Marijuana effects perception. That’s the whole point of using it. If it had no effect, then people wouldn’t smoke it.

    Wrerick – when you suggest legalizing drugs, you say there will no longer be crime associated with them. I’m assuming you mean with the sale and purchase of drugs. Alcohol is legal and taxed, and as Lincsbear says, alcohol is a very large part of crime. I’m well aware that telling a child to keep his hands out of the cookie jar is as much as an invitation to eat the cookie. But I don’t agree with legalizing any substances.

    Thygros also alludes to drugs that were deemed illegal due to political or social reasons. I don’t disagree. But I’d never be agree to the idea of legalizing such things.

    ATXClimber – I know for some the very idea that I’m shocked is shocking. And no I have never tried Pot. I’ve never smoked cigarettes. I’ve never been drunk. It took several years of bartending before I ever encountered any serious drug use, but still it was peripheral until I attended a few holiday parties after hours. It was here, in Boston, where I first hear drugs mentioned so casually. At one house I was told the coats go in the living room to the right and that the coke, meth, and joints were in the kitchen, laid out like hors devours on silver trays. Another party, the same week, a very attractive man of Mediterranean decent who was visiting from Atlanta was flirty with me and I with him. Until he pulled out the nasal device for ‘Special K’.

    A lot of it for me, I suppose, is about perception and control. I have very little problem letting go of my inhibitions. I do not need mind altering substance to enjoy myself, on a dance floor or in any of the wilder sexual practices. In my younger days of regular club going and dancing, I danced on boxes and with abandon. Many, many times I’d get tapped on the foot or shoulder for a man to ask what I was on and if they could get some. I also attributed it to the fact that I drank almost exclusively water when ever I went out, a common practice among drug users.

    I’ve also had very little problem relaxing. I find it humorous to see so many people over the years who claim they use pot to relax and chill out from their hectic life. I’ve seen little evidence from most of these people of an overly exciting life.

    I just do not see the attraction of being unable to perceive the world around you without 100% clarity, not to be in complete control of one’s actions.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 2:21 AM GMT
    "I just do not see the attraction of being unable to perceive the world around you without 100% clarity, not to be in complete control of one’s actions."

    Most recreational drug use is to enhance sense perception and/or increase relaxation. Clarity is not an issue for most people using drugs at a circuit party.

    On the other hand, the use of drugs can enhance "clarity." That's part of what's accomplished through use of an anti-depressant, for example. When they work, they interrupt rumination and help people focus. They elevate mood so that a person is not overwhelmed by negative thoughts and feelings that are out of proportion to their normal experience. Likewise, drugs for ADHD improve clarity by enhancing focus. Other drugs help reduce hallucinations to improve clarity.

    But then there's the question of what constitutes "clarity." The value of doing LSD to me -- and the Grofs' breathwork afterward -- was to understand how much there is outside our immediate perception that we filter out for the sake of "clarity." Such drugs can make you aware how selective your perception is and how much you are "missing."

    Of course meditation and mindfulness training can accomplish the same thing, but not in such an apocalyptic fashion. On the other hand what is apprehended through mindfulness can't be as easily dismissed as an effect of drugs.

    In short: The drugs challenge our very understanding of "clarity" by temporarily disordering our perception but without removing the observer part of ourselves. It is like being inside a dream but with full consciousness.

    That said, I don't advocate putting LSD in the drinking water as the Yippies threatened in the '70s. I think the number of people interested in experimenting with profoundly altered states of consciousness is pretty rare, even though we do that in all kinds of other ways -- through endorphin rushes during exercise, through participation in religious rituals, through food, by taking vacations, etc.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 2:33 AM GMT
    OW, I'm glad you mentioned the bit about what is clarity. I suppose, with the training I've recieved, I'm more aware of my surroundings than many of the men and women I know. In restaurants with my friends, I'm usually able to focus on conversations at the table I'm with, as well as several other tables in the nearby vacinity, while taking note of all exits, possible security, and remembering the wait staffs names. (gee, can you tell I've done some LE work? :P )

    I've never questioned before how much I fliter out. It does make me wonder. But the idea you mentioned of being in a dream without full consciousness is frightning.

    I've also never thought about exercise as "altering our percetion". I've never experiance the runner's high, not even after the 6th or 7th mile. Not every having been religious I do understand the scientific principles behind religious rituals and putting one in the right state of mind.

    And I do have my comfort foods.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 2:46 AM GMT
    I was mostly responding to the following statement:

    " Studies also showed that addiction is genetic. so if someone isn't getting addicted to drugs, he/se will be on gambling, eating or what ever can be an addiction."

    I think some studies showed a biological/genetic link to alcoholism. However, I am not certain if there is a boilogical conncection with "addictive personality". Who knows, many alcoholics maybe raised in an environment that predisposes them to various forms of addiction.

    My point is that some drugs are so physiologically addicitve that genetics may play a lesser role in creating addiction. I used the example of meth as it is really becoming rampant in large urban cities such as SF and here in NYC.

    I know some who tried it and all it does is to keep them up at a night club. However, the very same people, once they had a very explosive sexual experience under the influence of meth, all the sudden become addicts. Then they are seeking meth sex constantly.

    That is what I was really speaking of... Addiction of meth, when it comes to genetics, may not be as significant as compared to other factors of addiction such as activity association. In this case, for gay men in large urban areas, this associative activity with meth is sex.

    As far as Obscenewish's response:
    " In short: The drugs challenge our very understanding of "clarity" by temporarily disordering our perception but without removing the observer part of ourselves. It is like being inside a dream but with full consciousness."

    Again, I am not sure if that applies to all drugs, not all of them are created equal. I don't think someone high under ketamine or GHB can say that they were with FULL consiousness... Even meth, I know guys who had done things they would have never done ordinarily, such as acts of violence, or getting someone sero converted by telling lies to allow them to perform unsafe sex, and later cannot remember anything and reports that they felt they "blacked out"...

    Legalizing drugs? Again, not all are created equal. I cannot imagine meth being a legal substance one can buy in a drug store...

    Part of the reason many gay men get hooked on meth insideously is the casual attitude that they encounter with other guys who use... Legalizing such a powerful addictive drug will just promote the casual attitude of meth use. I personally have seen meth destroy many lives, and that idea would realy be nightmarish...
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 2:54 AM GMT
    "Again, I am not sure if that applies to all drugs..."

    Of course it doesn't. I'm talking about a particular class of drugs and, even then, I would qualify it. Intention has a lot to do with how a person experiences those drugs.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 2:59 AM GMT
    I might as well put my personal feelings forward, if it is not obvious already..

    Meth is the most evil thing I have ever seen that hit the gay community... It is so powerful, so insideous, so addictive, it has destoryed so many lives, and yet it is still spreading and spreading. It is nothing like LSD or E..

    Gay men, stay away from meth...
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:02 AM GMT
    Yes Crimthann, I was referring to crime associated with procuring the drugs, and not crimes while "under-the-influence", though my guess is alcohol produces more crimes than any other, and there are studies that show it is the ultimate gateway drug. And yes, legalization of everything is definately my opinion and not everyone's.

    Here's my personal experience: I never used any drugs until my mid 20's -- I was raised in a conservative christian home where both alcohol and cigarettes, and definately anything else, were considered of the devil. While I do loose inhibitions when drinking, alcohol, I apparently remember just about everything, or at least more than others do. Even when drunk to the point of puking my guts and then pretty much passing out, NOT pleasant. I can almost always tell you what happened -- including the people who have tried to waken my drunk ass and ask if I was alright, and whom I have told to f**k off. I can also tell people things, while very drunk, that they did have no memory of.
    One of my most interesting experiences, and pleasant, was having versed for out-patient eye surgery, and I must say WONDERFUL stuff. I can remember just about everything, including most of the surgery and the aftermath, but couldn't give a damn about what anyone did to me. I do not want nor would want proscribed the medication again, but boy was it pleasant! I even skipped getting the pain medication because I felt so good -- not good, as I then had excruciating pain before I could get the medication filled.
    Now pot does nothing for me either way: probably mellows me a little, but not enough to make a lasting impression despite multiple tries.

    I don't NEED, or necessarily want the drugs, and don't use any, including alcohol or cigarettes on a regular basis, but some of my most pleasant experiences have been "under the influence".

    I don't know, but for me there are times when it is nice to be slightly altered, though not often and not on a regular basis.

    My recommendation: go get yourself completely drunk and see what you think.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:07 AM GMT
    By the way, to ATXClimber...

    Meth use casually? No, I do not beleive so, but are addicts able to function? YES.

    There are tons of gay men addicted to meth smoking or injecting that stuff every weekend to even everyday then put on their suits and go to their high power jobs...

    These are "fucntional" meth addicts.. No, they are not toothless, filthy hobos with dirty finger nails who live in trailers... These are men with intelligence, muscles, good looks, good jobs, nice places of residence, $, etc...

    They walk amongst you, you just don't know it....
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:07 AM GMT
    Oh, sorry for posting again, but as a caveat, I once tried my friends ritalin -- he apparently has ADHD. He probably does, but he is a neurosurgery resident at an excellent program in Chicago, but then again he is a neurosurgery resident. I do have to say the medication had the desired effect: I would feel like talking, but the desire would pass without needing to fulfill it.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:07 AM GMT
    I think we all need to stop a minute and realize that anytime we drink coffee, tea, soft drinks, or alcohol, we are consuming drugs. Anything in excess is a bad thing; be it drugs, sex, or even religion in my opinion. Once something begins affecting other areas of our lives, i.e. careers, relationships, etc., is when it has become a problem. What I can't stand is to hear from hypocrits who think that it's okay to do the things they deem appropriate but reject or look down on others who participate in other activities that they just so happen to not participate in! It's that kind of attitude that homophobia stems from! We should all be open-minded and respect the decisions of others, even if we disagree!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:17 AM GMT
    Wrerick..

    I am not sure if you would say the same thing about legalizing ALL drugs if you ever had a person close to you and watch him scumb to meth, from begining, to the end...

    Meth lasts DAYS in your system, you would want more because you think you are already off the high, while in fact youare still making decisions to get your next high STILL under its powerful influence.

    Meth was used in war time to keep soldier awake, concentrat on the same tasks for days without being bored, and to make them so task oriented that they would do anything to perform the task, such as killing your enemies, at ANY COST, even if it kills yourself or your friends.

    For gay men, this task to be accomplished while high on meth is not killing people, but that ultimate sexual experience with the porno orgasms..., AT ANY COST...

    Meth, if you want to know the history, was given to Japanese Kamakazi pilots.. It was also injected to Hitler by his personal physisican at a daily baisis...

    Legalizing all drugs including meth?

    Unless you have experiences the destructiveness of meth first hand as a former user or had someone dear to you gone the way of meth addiction, you ought to think twice about your ideals concerning legalizing drugs such as meth...

    Think again...
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:19 AM GMT
    Again, not all drugs are created equal.

    Yes, drugs are all around us, they do good and bad.

    But coffee,alcohol, pot... NOT THE SAME AS meth or opiods.. Physiological effects, receptor affinity, half life, etc, etc, NOT THE SAME.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:25 AM GMT
    I have a hard time putting caffine and marijuana in the same catagory. it must just be my ignorance.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:26 AM GMT
    "In restaurants with my friends, I'm usually able to focus on conversations at the table I'm with, as well as several other tables in the nearby vacinity, while taking note of all exits, possible security, and remembering the wait staffs names."

    For you this is a result of training and is comfortable. For someone else it could be hypervigilance typical of people with PTSD and might feel uncomfortable.

    With hallucinogenic drugs you might experience both states of consciousness and realize how entirely governed by perception your experience is. This is not a subtle experience, typically, but grossly embodied. Similarly, I had experiences of synesthesia under the influence of LSD, usually "tasting" spoken words.

    You could read Huxley's "Doors of Perception" which is about his experience in this regard with mescaline.













  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 17, 2007 3:29 AM GMT
    Meth addicts are some of the most productive people at accomplishing tasks I have ever seen. Until they want more and can't get it. That or day 20 or so. Then their focus turns to destruction tenfold.

    I agree with NYCMusc4Musc that it is quite possibly one of the most devastating drugs out there, in terms of effect, rather than potential.