Herman Cain Now Supports A Nationwide Federal Ban On Gay Marriage...

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    Oct 25, 2011 4:55 AM GMT
    At first, he didn't support a federal ban on gay marriage but apparently he changed his mind. Perhaps it's because of his negative opinion of homosexuality...?

    I thought a candidate's opinion of homosexuality wouldn't influence his choice in policy decisions...?

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    Link: http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/10/22/herman-cain-exclusive-tells-brody-file-he-will-support-constitutional.aspx

    Cain: "I think marriage should be protected at the federal level also. I used to believe that it could be just handled by the states but there’s a movement going on to basically take the teeth out of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, and that could cause an unraveling.

    So we do need some protection at the federal level because of that and so, yes, I would support legislation that would say that it’s between a man and a woman."


    Even GOProud isn't happy about it...and they'll lick the boots of anyone. Even Michelle Bachman.

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    Oct 25, 2011 5:00 AM GMT
    FinalHeaven86 said

    Even GOProud isn't happy about it...and they'll lick the boots of anyone. Even Michelle Bachman.



    Absolutely NOT true. GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann
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    FinalHeaven86 said

    Even GOProud isn't happy about it...and they'll lick the boots of anyone. Even Michelle Bachman.



    Absolutely NOT true. GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann


    Well that's just a steaming pile of bullshit.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gay-conservative-group-reaches-bachmann-165236299.html
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    FinalHeaven86 said

    Even GOProud isn't happy about it...and they'll lick the boots of anyone. Even Michelle Bachman.



    Absolutely NOT true. GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann


    False:

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    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/07/18/GOProud_Wants_a_Meeting_With_Bachmann/

    They 'disagree' with her anti-gay views (and they say this as nicely as possible) but they would support her if she was (in a one in million chance) the GOP candidate.

    "In an interview with Politico, GOProud Chairman Christopher Barron said he was "concerned" and "troubled" by Bachmann's record and past statements about gay issues, but would not "be part of any 'war against Michele Bachmann.'" GOProud officials generally stress that sending a Republican to the White House trumps a candidate's view on one issue. "We are committed to defeating Barrack Obama in 2012," LaSalvia said. "And want to be helpful to whoever secures the GOP nomination."

    Note they simply called her views "troubling". But Obama's lack of clear support of gay marriage?:

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    Christopher Barron, co-founder of GOProud, is also so very, very angry of all the gay people 'attacking' Michele Bachmann for being anti-gay and stuff:

    "The attacks on Michele Bachmann and her family by the gay left have absolutely nothing to do with gay rights. In fact, these attacks have little to do with Congresswoman Bachmann or what her or her husband believes. The truth is that they are nothing more than part and parcel of an orchestrated effort by the left to destroy the Tea Party. For two years now, the left, along with their enablers in the main stream media, have attempted to smear the Tea Party as racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic. These attacks on Congresswoman Bachmann are just the latest front in the left’s unending war against the Tea Party." - GOProud's head kapo Chris Barron, writing on his personal blog.

    They also think Ann Coulter supports gay people everywhere:

    "We at GOProud are thrilled at this opportunity. We look forward to gay people everywhere getting a chance to hear about our organizations and hear from Ann Coulter – simply the smartest, funniest and most stylish woman in politics today. We thank Ann for agreeing to do this and for continuing her outspoken support for gay conservatives."
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    Oct 25, 2011 5:57 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    FinalHeaven86 said

    Even GOProud isn't happy about it...and they'll lick the boots of anyone. Even Michelle Bachman.



    Absolutely NOT true. GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann


    Well that's just a steaming pile of bullshit.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gay-conservative-group-reaches-bachmann-165236299.html




    I just think that what was said by GOProud can be interpreted differently. I don't think there is any gay person that is happy with comments made by politicians like Michelle Bachmann or Rick Santorum and others who seem closed-minded to a gay perspective. That being said, we can not truly find our way to greater acceptance without trying to see the bigger picture and understanding that people who are not gay cannot possibly grasp the gay perspective fully --- it is foreign to them. I respect GOProud for being willing to try and meet with Michelle Bachmann and perhaps, even if it is in a small way, try to enlighten her. Change comes through communication, education, and understanding.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    FinalHeaven86 said

    Even GOProud isn't happy about it...and they'll lick the boots of anyone. Even Michelle Bachman.



    Absolutely NOT true. GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann


    Well that's just a steaming pile of bullshit.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gay-conservative-group-reaches-bachmann-165236299.html




    I just think that what was said by GOProud can be interpreted differently. I don't think there is any gay person that is happy with comments made by politicians like Michelle Bachmann or Rick Santorum and others who seem closed-minded to a gay perspective. That being said, we can not truly find our way to greater acceptance without trying to see the bigger picture and understanding that people who are not gay cannot possibly grasp the gay perspective fully --- it is foreign to them. I respect GOProud for being willing to try and meet with Michelle Bachmann and perhaps, even if it is in a small way, try to enlighten her. Change comes through communication, education, and understanding.


    GOProud praised Michele Bachmann's anti-gay comments when interviewed by Meet the Press. Chris Barron, co-founder of GOProud, explicitly says 'bravo' to her 'part of satan' comments about homosexuality and her anti-gay platform:

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    There is no side-stepping or deflecting around it. It's right there word by word.

    You said GOProud 'loathed' Michele Bachmann. You were proven wrong.

    Stop defending GOProud when they're clearly sociopathic bottom feeders who will throw their support even behind the most virulent anti-gay politician just to further their own careers.

    It's not about "communication" or "understanding". It's politics. GOProud wants to be perceived as a player in Washington, DC.


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    Oct 25, 2011 6:06 AM GMT
    FinalHeaven86 said<
    You said GOProud 'loathed' Michele Bachmann. You were proven wrong.



    The only thing you proved is that you have your own interpretation of GOProud's comments regarding Michelle Bachmann. I have another.
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    FinalHeaven86 said<
    You said GOProud 'loathed' Michele Bachmann. You were proven wrong.



    The only thing you proved is that you have your own interpretation of GOProud's comments regarding Michelle Bachmann. I have another.


    Your interpretation is asinine and you refuse to acknowledge your mistake when it's there in the pudding.

    You clearly stated:


    "GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann"

    GOProud's comments about Michele Bachmann clearly prove otherwise:

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    GOProud is CLEARLY supporting Michelle Bachmann. Her anti-gay comments even.

    Based on this Tweet, would you still say GOProud 'loathes' Michele Bachmann?



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    Oct 25, 2011 6:18 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    FinalHeaven86 said

    Even GOProud isn't happy about it...and they'll lick the boots of anyone. Even Michelle Bachman.



    Absolutely NOT true. GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann


    Well that's just a steaming pile of bullshit.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gay-conservative-group-reaches-bachmann-165236299.html




    I just think that what was said by GOProud can be interpreted differently. I don't think there is any gay person that is happy with comments made by politicians like Michelle Bachmann or Rick Santorum and others who seem closed-minded to a gay perspective. That being said, we can not truly find our way to greater acceptance without trying to see the bigger picture and understanding that people who are not gay cannot possibly grasp the gay perspective fully --- it is foreign to them. I respect GOProud for being willing to try and meet with Michelle Bachmann and perhaps, even if it is in a small way, try to enlighten her. Change comes through communication, education, and understanding.


    Bullshit CJAZ. You're bending over for someone who is not only openly homophobic, but blatantly ignores fact, logic, and will stop at nothing to bully people and systems into what she wants. Bachman will never change or become enlightened, neither will Santorum. You cannot make a deal with the devil, the scorpion will sting because it is in its nature, a leopard never changes its spots, blah blah. They will never change.
    We find our way to greater acceptance by understanding that people do and can grasp the experiences of being gay, the black, the Asian, the female, the transgender, the old, the schizophrenic, the physically and mentally handicapped by a little thing called imagination as well as empathy that normal people have. We understand the struggles of others, and they in turn us by communicating and having mutual respect for each other's experiences, not by assimilating. I can't believe you think the answer to getting people to accept us is to assimilate and act exactly like them. It's like the awkward, ugly girl in highschool trying to fit in with the popular girls - trying to emulate their mannerisms, look, and habits, even to the point of defending them and joining in their radical behaviors. The rest of us know better. We are fine being who we are, and that people actually do accept us for who we are, and there is nothing to prove, and we don't have to change the way we dress, act, our interests, or our friends in order to be successful and be accepted by people and to live a happy, healthy, productive life.
    The GOProud are idiots, both for dealing with Bachmann, and for railing against Obama, who has done far more for gay rights than any president previous to himself, and will continue to do more for gay rights than Bachman, Santorum, or any other Republican crazy that deserves no place at the negotiating or political table. The GOProud has their feet in two worlds, a stance that cannot last. They want to have their cake and eat it as well, but it never will work, not until the present issues are long past irrelevant. They're playing with fire, and keep getting burned, and like the idiots they are, they're feeding the fire higher and higher, convinced somehow that somewhere in the searing flames is their salvation.
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    Oct 25, 2011 6:22 AM GMT
    FinalHeaven86 said
    Stop defending GOProud when they're clearly sociopathic bottom feeders who will throw their support even behind the most virulent anti-gay politician just to further their own careers.

    It's not about "communication" or "understanding". It's politics. GOProud wants to be perceived as a player in Washington, DC.



    What I see is that you simply don't get it. Apparently YOU think Michelle Bachmann is some sort of contender to actually getting the Republican nomination. NEWSFLASH: She isn't. Most intelligent people get that, and I presume so does GOProud. Regardless, it doesn't do any group like GOProud, the Log Cabin Republicans, or other gay groups any good who are trying to change minds in the Republican party by alienating themselves from some of the loudest voices against them within the party. I applaud GOProud for getting in the trenches and attempting a little good old fashioned finesse to try and get a meeting with the people whose minds we want to enlighten and change.
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    Oct 25, 2011 6:24 AM GMT
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    Bullshit CJAZ. You're bending over for someone who is not only openly homophobic, but blatantly ignores fact, logic, and will stop at nothing to bully people and systems into what she wants.

    Where did I defend Michelle Bachmann? I was defending GOProud.
    dancedancekj saidI can't believe you think the answer to getting people to accept us is to assimilate and act exactly like them.

    Never said anything of the kind. Learn to read.

    dancedancekj saidWe find our way to greater acceptance by understanding that people do and can grasp the experiences of being gay, the black, the Asian, the female, the transgender, the old, the schizophrenic, the physically and mentally handicapped by a little thing called imagination as well as empathy that normal people have. We understand the struggles of others, and they in turn us by communicating and having mutual respect for each other's experiences, not by assimilating.

    That sounds all well and good, but in THE REAL WORLD things don't fall into place quite so idealistically. People have a hard time sometimes grasping people who are different than they are. That's just a fact of life. How we choose to deal with this conundrum is the challenge.
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    FinalHeaven86 said
    Stop defending GOProud when they're clearly sociopathic bottom feeders who will throw their support even behind the most virulent anti-gay politician just to further their own careers.

    It's not about "communication" or "understanding". It's politics. GOProud wants to be perceived as a player in Washington, DC.



    What I see is that you simply don't get it. Apparently YOU think Michelle Bachmann is some sort of contender to actually getting the Republican nomination. NEWSFLASH: She isn't. Most intelligent people get that, and I presume so does GOProud. Regardless, it doesn't do any group like GOProud, the Log Cabin Republicans, or other gay groups any good who are trying to change minds in the Republican party by alienating themselves from some of the loudest voices against them within the party. I applaud GOProud for getting in the trenches and attempting a little good old fashioned finesse to try and get a meeting with the people whose minds we want to enlighten and change.


    You above quote is completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about and you're completely dodging the issue to make some sort of point as to not admit your mistake.

    Stop deflecting. Stop dodging.

    The ONLY issue I have you is YOUR QUOTE:

    "GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann"


    GOProud's comments about Michele Bachmann clearly prove OTHERWISE:

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    I will keep posting this image until you finally answer my question. Based on this tweet, would you still say GOProud 'loathes' Michele Bachmann?

    Yes or No?


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    Oct 25, 2011 6:28 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    we can not truly find our way to greater acceptance without trying to see the bigger picture and understanding that people who are not gay cannot possibly grasp the gay perspective fully --- it is foreign to them.
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    Bullshit CJAZ. You're bending over for someone who is not only openly homophobic, but blatantly ignores fact, logic, and will stop at nothing to bully people and systems into what she wants.

    Where did I defend Michelle Bachmann? I was defending GOProud.
    dancedancekj saidI can't believe you think the answer to getting people to accept us is to assimilate and act exactly like them.

    Never said anything of the kind. Learn to read.


    No, you were not defending GOProud. You were either lying about them 'loathing' Michele Bachmann or you were simply not aware that they have thrown their support and praise behind her numerous times.

    You say they 'loathe' Michele Bachmann. I've proven they don't.

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    Oct 25, 2011 6:40 AM GMT
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    I will keep posting this image until you finally answer my question. Based on this tweet, would you still say GOProud 'loathes' Michele Bachmann?

    Yes or No?


    And I will answer again...YES...I do believe GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann. I also think they understand that they will likely have no chance whatsoever to meet with her and perhaps even enlighten her, by saying that publicly. Did you never take a class in Psychology in high school?
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    FinalHeaven86 said
    I will keep posting this image until you finally answer my question. Based on this tweet, would you still say GOProud 'loathes' Michele Bachmann?

    Yes or No?


    And I will answer again...YES...I do believe GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann. I also think they understand that they will likely have no chance whatsoever to meet with her and perhaps even enlighten her, by saying that publicly. Did you never take a class in Psychology in high school?


    I've taken several. I'm wondering if elementary logic was ever taught to you on the other hand.

    I'm not concerned with them meeting or enlightening her. That's irrelevant to our argument.

    You finally answered the question. And it's yes. How did you come to come that conclusion. Seriously?

    You're clearly ignoring THIS tweet of GOProud CLEARLY praising Michele Bachmann's anti-gay comments:

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    I'm going to keep posting this image until it bypasses whatever cognitive dissonance forcefield you've got around your brain.

    That quote is PRAISE. How do you conclude that GOProud LOATHES Michele Bachmann when they're clearly PRAISING her?

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    I swear, I feel like the Miracle Worker trying to teach Hellen Keller how to touch-speak...


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    Oct 25, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    FinalHeaven, you're free to interpret that TWEET and take it literally all you want. I read something different into it and, like GOProud, I can see The Bigger Picture. Sorry you're not able to do that.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidFinalHeaven, you're free to interpret that TWEET and take it literally all you want. I read something different into it and, like GOProud, I can see The Bigger Picture. Sorry you're not able to do that.


    What other way is there to interpret it?

    It's like saying a bucket of water is a jar of cherries. GOProud is praising Michele Bachmann's anti-gay comments. It's there letter for letter.

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    Their motivations behind the tweet are irrelevant. The 'bigger question' or 'agenda' is irrelevant. These all smokes and mirrors projected by you in attempt to deflect the argumentI have you.

    You stated:

    "GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann"

    I have shown multiple sources of evidence that they DON'T.

    You refuse to show ANY that they DO.

    Again, how do you conclude that GOProud 'loathes' Michele Bachmann? How did you come to this conclusion? Based on what evidence or source?

    You're consistently and doggedly dodging the issue. That's not how you debate.









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    Oct 25, 2011 1:09 PM GMT
    FinalHeaven86 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    FinalHeaven86 said
    I will keep posting this image until you finally answer my question. Based on this tweet, would you still say GOProud 'loathes' Michele Bachmann?

    Yes or No?


    And I will answer again...YES...I do believe GOProud loathes Michelle Bachmann. I also think they understand that they will likely have no chance whatsoever to meet with her and perhaps even enlighten her, by saying that publicly. Did you never take a class in Psychology in high school?


    I've taken several. I'm wondering if elementary logic was ever taught to you on the other hand.

    I'm not concerned with them meeting or enlightening her. That's irrelevant to our argument.

    You finally answered the question. And it's yes. How did you come to come that conclusion. Seriously?

    You're clearly ignoring THIS tweet of GOProud CLEARLY praising Michele Bachmann's anti-gay comments:

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    I'm going to keep posting this image until it bypasses whatever cognitive dissonance forcefield you've got around your brain.

    That quote is PRAISE. How do you conclude that GOProud LOATHES Michele Bachmann when they're clearly PRAISING her?

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtjBQlvmfR60QqNwytVCl

    I swear, I feel like the Miracle Worker trying to teach Hellen Keller how to touch-speak...


    Hellen Keller will ALWAYS be deaf.. Todd will ALWAYS drink the koolaide.
    Some folks just cant admit when they are wrong, Look at Gadhafi, He died believing (absolute) that he was winning. Yep, he won. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 25, 2011 2:08 PM GMT
    finalheaven86,

    Chris Barron tries to push the limits of finding something positive in places where almost nothing can be found because GoProud is a political organization. It cannot just stand there and constantly criticize everything the GOP does, instead it works on the basis of allying itself to initiate change from within. Believe me, there is no genuine admiration for Bachmann.
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    Oct 25, 2011 2:15 PM GMT
    GOProuds words and messages say opposite what you say Mock.

    mocktwinkie saidfinalheaven86,

    Chris Barron tries to push the limits of finding something positive in places where almost nothing can be found because GoProud is a political organization. It cannot just stand there and constantly criticize everything the GOP does, instead it works on the basis of allying itself to initiate change from within. Believe me, there is no genuine admiration for Bachmann.
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    Oct 25, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidfinalheaven86,

    Chris Barron tries to push the limits of finding something positive in places where almost nothing can be found because GoProud is a political organization. It cannot just stand there and constantly criticize everything the GOP does, instead it works on the basis of allying itself to initiate change from within. Believe me, there is no genuine admiration for Bachmann.



    Mock, you're probably wasting your time trying to get through to people here who simply don't have a clue about what GOProud does or is trying to do from within the GOP.
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    Oct 25, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidfinalheaven86,

    Chris Barron tries to push the limits of finding something positive in places where almost nothing can be found because GoProud is a political organization. It cannot just stand there and constantly criticize everything the GOP does, instead it works on the basis of allying itself to initiate change from within. Believe me, there is no genuine admiration for Bachmann.


    If that is the case, then it appears that people like Confederate Ghost and myself are just disagreeing with the attempt of GOProud to the same end - equality, and rights for the GLBTQ. Fair enough.

    I suppose that the more left leaning gay activists and advocates just have a different approach. I might argue that the approach from the left seems to be making more progress, but then I guess GOProud has its role as well in the large scheme of the movement (such as with the repeal of DADT, and getting Republicans to cosign things like the NY marriage).

    It seems insane to me, but if that's what you guys believe is the way to go, then do so. Don't be surprised if I fight you on the economic issues still however icon_smile.gif
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    mocktwinkie saidfinalheaven86,

    Chris Barron tries to push the limits of finding something positive in places where almost nothing can be found because GoProud is a political organization. It cannot just stand there and constantly criticize everything the GOP does, instead it works on the basis of allying itself to initiate change from within. Believe me, there is no genuine admiration for Bachmann.



    Mock, you're probably wasting your time trying to get through to people here who simply don't have a clue about what GOProud does or is trying to do from within the GOP.


    For historical reference it's helpful to think of the Vichy Government of German Occupied France during WW2.

    While the Resistance Movement was made up of French Patriots who wanted to repel the Germans from their homeland........

    ......The Vichys decided to cooperate with the Germans in order to acquire more favorable conditions as a subordinate state to the Nazi regime.

    GOProud should probably remember however that the Vichys didn't last that long.......though they did end up with a delicious soup named after them.

    Vive La Soup !
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    Oct 25, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidfinalheaven86,

    Chris Barron tries to push the limits of finding something positive in places where almost nothing can be found because GoProud is a political organization. It cannot just stand there and constantly criticize everything the GOP does, instead it works on the basis of allying itself to initiate change from within. Believe me, there is no genuine admiration for Bachmann.


    If that is the case, then it appears that people like Confederate Ghost and myself are just disagreeing with the attempt of GOProud to the same end - equality, and rights for the GLBTQ. Fair enough.

    I suppose that the more left leaning gay activists and advocates just have a different approach. I might argue that the approach from the left seems to be making more progress, but then I guess GOProud has its role as well in the large scheme of the movement (such as with the repeal of DADT, and getting Republicans to cosign things like the NY marriage).

    It seems insane to me, but if that's what you guys believe is the way to go, then do so. Don't be surprised if I fight you on the economic issues still however icon_smile.gif


    Wow! I think you're getting it. GOProud does have it's roll, and it's an important one, though it is often-times not appreciated by the "more left leaning gay activist and advocates" whose "my way or the highway" in your face approach doesn't always work.