So many supps and sellers?

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    May 26, 2008 10:03 PM GMT
    This is hardly and important issue, but just something I've noticed.

    There seem to be more and more nutritional/bodybuilding products (and online stores selling these products)popping up out there all the time. They seem to be coming up like dandelions after a rain! I am constantly learning about some internet site that sells whey powders, test boosters, etc. which I've never heard of before. Almost every week, I come across some sales site for this stuff which I've never heard of. Many of the bigname bodybuilders have their own nutrition stores. Plus many of the bodybuilding magazines and internet forum sites like bodybuilding dot com have their own stores. How do all these sellers compete? Is the market for bodybuilding supps really that big?

    Why are there are so many different brands of these things? How many different brands of creatine and whey power are on the market? They each claim to have some special characteristic or quality. I've noticed fitness mags are full of ads for a plethora of nutritional products with fancy names. How many different versions of "Super Crystallized Xyerdrion X240" can there be out there?

    I know fitness is growing in general popularity with the public, but do you think the market for all these various supps is flooded?
  • CincyBOJ

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    May 27, 2008 2:13 AM GMT
    Online supp stores are here there and everywhere for sure.

    Bodybuilding.com has a great set of forums for this topic. It is worth spending time reading and searching. I like to look at the "suppliments" forum and the "over 35" to gain input from a large number of opinions. Almost any brand or supp is easily searchable and I have had good luck finding anything that I have looked up.

    From what I have gathered, many people buy from DPSNutrition.com and Bodybuilng.com 's superstore.

    These are a couple of great places to save money on supps but keep in mind that they sell EVERYTHING...the good, the bad and the crap. The best thing to do is to decide on what you want to buy, then go to your favorite site to buy. I have only purchased from DPS and have been very happy with their service. However, my loyalty is somewhat attached to the price tag. lol. It's like buying gas.
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    May 27, 2008 3:39 PM GMT
    There are a number of giant supplement corporations who sell their products in bulk to other companies who repackage them. So, the market isn't flooded with a variety of products as it is with a variety of packaging.
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    May 27, 2008 4:23 PM GMT
    icon_rolleyes.gif SERIOUSLY,AS CONSUMERS DO WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE ALL THIS CRAP JUST TO BE HEALTHY? WHATEVER HAPPENED TO BACK IN THE DAY WHEN BODYBUILDERS DIDNT TAKE SUPPLEMENTS BECAUSE THERE WERENT ANY! ALL THEY DID IS EAT A WELL BALANCED MEAL,HIGH IN PROTEIN,AND THATS IT. I ONLY TAKE CREATINE,PROTEIN POWDER AND MULTIVITAMINS. THOSE SHOULD BE ENOUGH,RIGHT? A LOT OF THOSE SUPPS OUT THERE ARE MONEYMAKERS FOR THOSE WHO ENDORSE THEM,BUT ARE NOT NECESSARILY HELPFUL FOR US HEALTHWISE.
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    May 28, 2008 2:31 AM GMT
    Hey you guys thanks for all your thoughts on this subject. I've never heard of DSP; I'll have to check them out. I would agree I don't think you need much more than just a few basic supplement products. The products that I do buy, I often buy from bodybuilding .com - they seem to usually have the lowest prices on what I'm looking for. I even bought some otomix shoes from them.

    Interesting that you mentioned the "repackaging."
    I'll bet a lot of these kinds of products are distributed by various middlemen, which drives up the price even more.
  • CincyBOJ

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    May 29, 2008 5:35 AM GMT
    steve205 saidHey you guys thanks for all your thoughts on this subject. I've never heard of DSP;






    I corrected my spelling in the post.... it is DPS
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    May 29, 2008 6:02 AM GMT
    You are right in that there are a ton of them poping up.

    I do think it is an important issue though for a few reasons.

    1.) Some of the products are outright dangerous.

    2.) Many of the products are absolutely worthless.

    3.) The pricing on this stuff is outrageous and should be criminal. There are many products being sold that cost between 1 and 2 dollars to make and are being sold for 70 to 90 bucks.

    4.) Most of these supplements have never had a clinical trial worth anything done on them. Real simple answer why, most dietary supplements cannot be patented therefore no company wants to invest in a multi-million dollar clinical trial to investigate something they can't patent.

    5.) The industry in its current from is completely unregulated and this leads to serious issues. One you have a guy in Iowa selling creatine out of a garbage can in his garage. There are none of the protections that exist for food and medicine to ensure quality, purity, safety or lack of contamination. Dosage levels are terribly inconsistent which can lead to anything from being ripped off to being killed by an OD.

    6.) Many times cheap substances are spiked with things like ephedrine so you can feel them. For instance there was a well known instance where creatine was being spiked with ephedrine. The reason is that you can't feel creatine working, so you add the ephedrine and bang there you go, now you have a product where someone takes it and they get that boost from the ephedrine, and they are like wow thats some great creatine, I am going to buy that everytime now. Then they miss a couple days so they take a double or triple dose...if it's creatine all they would get is an upset digestive system, when it's spiked with ephedrine they could end up with a fatal dose.

    7.) When you don't know whats in a supplement and you don't know how much, you cannot possibly predict potential drug interactions. It also becomes a nightmare for the emergency room physician when the offending substance causes a medical emergency and there is no clear idea what the substance is.

    8.) Some products are sold as Supplements that are simply designer steroids, and the person taking them has no idea of the potential side effects, how to counteract them, or about the necessity of other things after taking them to ensure their body returns to normal hormone functioning.

    9.) A vast percentage of the supplements amount to what should be consumer fraud. Most of the supplement ingredients come from three primary sources. Company X wants to make a lot of money so they get the latest greatest substanceX, they pulverize it, then they mix in vegetable oil and put in a capsule. Now this is a state of the art lipophillic multistage delivery system that increases bioavailablity of substanceX by 300% causing substanceX to be absorbed by the body in under 30 minutes to speed muscle building nutrients to the muscles precisely when you need it. What is substanceX, its sugar, and your body naturally shuttles sugar to the muscles after lifting. See how this works? And for your amazing sugar you have now been charged 89.95 for something that cost under two dollars to make including the bottle.

    10.) Ingredients are often listed using "Proprietary Formula's" that allow them to collect several ingredients together so that it can be listed first. Thus the product may have very little of the active ingredient in it and you will never know how much.

    Pretty sad state of affairs. But when you can sell a 2 dollar product for 90 dollars its no wonder everyone wants a piece of the action. There are a few good supplements and supplement companies out there, but they are few and far between. BUYER BEWARE.