Ask a CHRISTIAN guy who happens to be GAY anything you want!

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    Oct 26, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
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    Here's my addition to the ASK SO-AND-SO threads... feel free to ask!
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    Nov 08, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
    Do you think its surprising how many guys get turned off the second they hear your a "real" or serious Christian?
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    Nov 08, 2011 12:21 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidWhy do so many so-called "Christians" follow the Old Covenant (i.e., historical Jewish writings pre-birth of Jesus the Christ) but really follow very few of the teachings of Jesus the Christ (other than the observance that if you believe that Jesus is the Christ then you are saved)?


    I don't think anyone follows the Old Testament... Except for Messianic Jews...


    Christians who bash gays use the Bible to back their ignorance of the diversity of people.
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    Nov 08, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidWhy do so many so-called "Christians" follow the Old Covenant (i.e., historical Jewish writings pre-birth of Jesus the Christ) but really follow very few of the teachings of Jesus the Christ (other than the observance that if you believe that Jesus is the Christ then you are saved)?


    I believe so called "Christians do this for a couple of reasons...
    The new covenant message taught and exemplified by Jesus is so much more difficult to accomplish personally. Instead of being tied down by the law,(the primary emphasis of the old Covenant), Christians are now being challenged or "called" to follow and be set free by the spirit of God (Pentecost etc)... the spirit has no absolutes, no list of clearly defined "do's" and "don't s". Christians are to be lead by "the spirit of the law, not the letter".. .legalistic. This places all the emphasis on the individual journey and opens up countless way of interpreting the path of God. In other words, you have to actually grow up and think for yourself.. a super scary thought for many people. This gives the church a smaller role... a role of support, not necessarily of leadership and authority. Full application of the new covenant drastically reduces the role of the church giving us less religion, less pastoral authority, less systematic fear.

    The other reason in my opinion is that before the new testament.. .there was no "bible." So whoever arrives first (the old covenant/old testament) gets the benefit of perceived authority and they usually get the last word on everything. I think for many Christians its the same, the old covenant was around longer, "easier" to understand and well instituted.. so it takes precedence. There's still debate among some Christian sects divinity of Jesus.. thus making it easy to dismiss Christ significance to Christianity

    Finally, I think its a question of trust. The old covenant gives a clearer definition of Christian identity which places a lot of emphasis on acts or performance as proof that they "know" God. With the new covenant.. the only way to know if someone is a Christian is to simply trust their word and learn from the lifestyle they live. This is the bases for the phrase... walking by faith and not by sight. Most trust their eyes over their minds and heart...this is the opposite of the new covenant.

    But I wonder what the OP thinks...
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    Nov 08, 2011 3:30 AM GMT
    Will his sense of unworthiness/"self-hating gay"-ness that stems from a hyper-religious upbringing ever go away? Or should I just save myself (no pun intended) now and stop even thinking there's a chance he'll ever get over that?icon_sad.gif
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    Nov 08, 2011 3:33 AM GMT
    EliStark saidWill his sense of unworthiness/"self-hating gay"-ness that stems from a hyper-religious upbringing ever go away? Or should I just save myself (no pun intended) now and stop even thinking there's a chance he'll ever get over that?icon_sad.gif


    who are you talking about?
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    Nov 08, 2011 3:33 AM GMT
    I love Jesus and priests are hot!!!!

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    Nov 08, 2011 3:41 AM GMT
    ^ I would feed that Italian hottie more than just a hosti lol
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    Nov 08, 2011 3:42 AM GMT
    BTW.. I think most churches just over analyse Jesus.. just stop throwing stones already!!!! thats all you need to know from him
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    Nov 08, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    Father February seems pretty damn FINE to me too.... and April is a real pretty boy ;)

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    Nov 08, 2011 4:19 AM GMT
    GreenHopper saidFather February seems pretty damn FINE to me too.... and April is a real pretty boy ;)

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    lol wtf?
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    Nov 08, 2011 3:29 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidQUESTION: Why do so many so-called "Christians" follow the Old Covenant (i.e., historical Jewish writings pre-birth of Jesus the Christ) but really follow very few of the teachings of Jesus the Christ (other than the observance that if you believe that Jesus is the Christ then you are saved)?


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    I'll try to address this as concisely as I can ;-)

    In short, the earnest desire of a child of God is to obey & please God, to be faithful and true, to be consecrated unto God and God alone. This "set apart-ness unto God" is what Scripture calls "holiness" or "to be holy".

    So whether you're a child of God under Judaism (OT law through works) or under a child of God through Jesus Christ (NT law of grace and love through faith), the desire is the same—one seeks to be holy before God, as God is holy (Lev. 11:44). The difference is, the OT way and the NT way of going about it is very different.

    The OT way is perhaps the most "common way", the "clearest way", the most "easy to understand". The OT basically lays out a picture of human nature:

    1. We like rules. It's easy to know what is expected of us.
    2. We like to break rules, at times even on purpose, even though we know better.
    3. No matter how hard we try, we will break them. It's inevitable. It's in our nature to do so.

    The bottom line is: It is human pride to believe that through our obedience of rules that we can somehow attain to the goodness/holiness that God requires. The conclusion from the OT's "portrait of humanity" (as exemplified through the Jews) is it is relatively impossible to achieve that which God requires.

    Enter in... Jesus Christ, who changes the game play... God... knowing the impossibility of it all...

    The NT describes a new way to become a "child of God", not through rules and law but through love and grace. Jesus Christ enters the picture and basically levels the playing ground for everyone -- it's no longer about rules!! When people asked Jesus, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus responded, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." (John 6:28-29)

    Faith in Jesus. Seems simple enough. Perhaps too simple. And therein lies the crux of this question. Surely, we must do more... icon_confused.gif

    As I mentioned, human beings like rules. We like structure, though we might not like to admit it, we really do like some sort of organization. We don't do well in chaos. So we seek rules. We make rules to help us feel comfortable and more secure in our "religiosity". Rules give us direction, even if we like to break them. They make us feel powerful, and especially when we break them.

    Therefore, traditionally, Christians have looked to easiest place to find such rules and guidance: the Old Testament stories for wisdom as to know "what is expected of God's people". By gleaning lessons from God's past dealings with the nation of Israel, Christians hope to have access to more "rules" so that they can feel good about pleasing God. They follow the OT because they want to feel confident that they are walking "in the will of God", that they are "not wandering off" from what God wants of them. Remember, the OT was a picture of what it meant to be holy, so to follow it, in some Christians' minds is the best thing to do.

    However, the more they do that, the more they forget the fundamental message of Jesus Christ of GRACE and LOVE, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) "You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you." (John 14:3) "You are forgiven." The Christian really has nothing to "prove". Through faith in Jesus, God has completely accepted and received those who believe already. (John 1:10-13) And in that sense, those who believe "are saved" from the "failure of the law" to achieve holiness for us.

    Those who don't feel completely accepted or received, or feel that somehow they need to "continually please God" with more rules, they turn to the OT to find those rules. And hence, you have Christians who, not understanding the freedom they have in Christ, dish out those OT rules as if they were applicable to everyone under the sun.

    But in my humble opinion, this approach is a very "young and immature" way of faith and understanding of what it means to "be in Christ". If you truly understand what it means to be a Christian, you'll understand the profound game-changing role of grace and truth in Jesus Christ. Apart from Jesus, there is no other adequate scenario for holiness (more complicated than I've explained here, but another topic/another time).

    The bottom line: In the NT, Jesus Christ IS holiness. Jesus Christ is the pinnacle, the apex, the unique embodiment, or incarnation, of the Holiness that we need and seek to be before God. To love Jesus and to recognize Jesus as such in your life is the very thing that God asks of each person. No more, no less. You are free to love God and each other. This is the simple choice given to all. If you recognize and live this truth, then you "get" what it means to be a "Christian".

    Back to the question: In summary, SOME Christians obey the OT rules because they feel they need to in order to please God. But such rules are burdensome and heavy... impossible, but it tickles their ego as they try. They need not, and they should not, but they do. As for why do they not follow the teachings of Jesus,... simply put... it's anti-ego to forgive, to love self-lessly, to love sacrificially and unconditionally. Yet, if you come to love God deeply, and I mean really LOVE GOD, it'll be easy...

    In the words of Jesus from Matthew 11 (28-30):

    Jesus Christ saidCome to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.


    NOTE: Of course, this is only a cursory overview of the basic themes. Open for healthy mutual discussion and agreement/disagreement. There's a lot more theological depth for further exploration.