Gaining weight too fast.

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    Oct 26, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    I started bulking last Monday. And at the same time cycled back onto creatine.

    Since then I'm already up 5 lbs and am definitely pudgier. Still I made a deal with myself that I am not stopping my bulk until I hit 180 because my last cut failed, I think because I didn't have enough of a muscle base to start with. I went from 159 to164 (morning empty stomach weight) in 10 days. Am I gaining weight too fast?

    I generally eat healthy and have a MOSTLY paleo diet. So I eat all paleo all day except my post workout meal where I add a serving of brown rice, potatoes, yams or other carb to help me bulk and restore muscle glycogen.

    FYI last weekend I ate horribly. Had pizza after working out on Fri, beer Fri, sat and Sunday. My parents had a concert at their house sat and I ate tons of goat cheese and salami, chop liver, chips and salsa and guacamole, spinach/feta triangles and other stuff. Then on Sunday I went to the jets game, tailgated and had sausage, steak, hummus, and tons more beer.

    I really don't want to get too.... Uhh fat. But I want more muscle and I feel as if I had plateaued since may when I started to try cutting. I had gone down to 155, still didn't have abs, but I didn't want to go lower cuz it didn't seem like a healthy weight for someone who's just under 6 foot.


    Any advice? Should I continue my bulk? Is this all due to my bad weekend and therefore shoyld i stay the course or am I doing things wrong.
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    Oct 26, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    It's got to be the creatine water gain imo. I just started back on it 8-10 days ago.. only 1 little scoop per day and gained 5 pounds in about the same time
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    Oct 26, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
    wolverinecub86 said[...] I eat all paleo all day except my post workout meal where I add a serving of brown rice, potatoes, yams or other carb to help me bulk and restore muscle glycogen.[...]


    Post workout meals should be quickly absorbable by the body so they work more advantageously. Better simple carbs than complex (white rice instead of whole grain) at that time.
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    Oct 26, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    @ beneful


    Ah I hope its the creatine water weight. Still I definitely have a larger gut when I look in the mirror. My chest to lower stomach ratio is now more stomach than chest : (. But if it is the creatine and more water in muscles, that would b cool.


    And @ buddyinnyc
    I eat a banana right after working out. It is very high glycemic for a fruit and is low in fructose so it gives me an immediate glycogen rush into my muscles. Plus the potassium is an added benefit


    I'm surprised I got any sort of answers with all the hilarious "ask a ___" threads.


    Thanks guys : )
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    Oct 26, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
    If you get back on Paleo, and don't overtrain, and get plenty of rest, the little extra fat will disappear. For your post workout, you might consider fruit and paleo starch instead of rice and potatoes. I see that you eat yams, which are Paleo. I don't understand the biochemistry, but I swear when I replace grains and sweets with paleo starches, my build is tighter and I feel better.
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    Oct 26, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    Nivek saidIf you get back on Paleo, and don't overtrain, and get plenty of rest, the little extra fat will disappear. For your post workout, you might consider fruit and paleo starch instead of rice and potatoes. I see that you eat yams, which are Paleo. I don't understand the biochemistry, but I swear when I replace grains and sweets with paleo starches, my build is tighter and I feel better.


    Are fruits enough post workout carbs to bulk with?

    What other paleo starched can u recommend?


    Thanks!
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    Oct 26, 2011 6:18 PM GMT
    The paleo diet is the worst thing to happen to this world since Hitler. Anyone who is on it is a Nazi supporter.

    Does this work for you Wolverine?
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    Oct 26, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    Chainers saidThe paleo diet is the worst thing to happen to this world since Hitler. Anyone who is on it is a Nazi supporter.

    Does this work for you Wolverine?


    Oh my god yes!


    Keep this up and u can hear me yell that in person.
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    Oct 26, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
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    Chainers saidThe paleo diet is the worst thing to happen to this world since Hitler. Anyone who is on it is a Nazi supporter.

    Does this work for you Wolverine?

    Oh brother...your second Hitler thread in 20min. icon_rolleyes.gif You're watering down Hitler too much....Hitler was really, really, bad...like opposite of Santa Claus bad. Maybe the paleo diet is worse than HFCS, or mango-flavoured douches, but I'm pretty sure paleo didn't kill 13million people in concentration camps. icon_eek.gif

    Real keeper: it's time to keep it real. icon_razz.gif


    Well what can I say I figured that would get Wolfie's thread some much needed attention :-)
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    Oct 26, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    Yup he's my bottom boy in shining armor.
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    Oct 26, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
    wolverinecub86 said@ beneful
    Ah I hope its the creatine water weight. Still I definitely have a larger gut when I look in the mirror. My chest to lower stomach ratio is now more stomach than chest : (. But if it is the creatine and more water in muscles, that would b cool.[...]


    I used CellMass on a couple of cycles (somewhere in two previous threads last summer and before). It was a time that I tried (and succeeded to bulk up 30 lbs.) by eating a lot of clean foods and using CellMass (according to directions). When I cut I also stopped CellMass and systematically/slowly lost 20 of those lbs. In my case (apparently everyone reacts differently) there was never a sudden weight-loss due to water loss. I think that the creatine in the CellMass definitely helped me lift heavier w/o absorbing empty water weight.

    FWIW.
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    Oct 26, 2011 7:49 PM GMT
    Ah thanks. So ur saying my sudden weight gain prob wasn't from the creatine? Was prob from the 20 beers I had all weekend then lol.
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    Oct 26, 2011 7:51 PM GMT
    switch from creatine monohydrate to creatine ethyl ester, you'll have less water retention.

    THE MORE YOU KNOW.

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    Oct 26, 2011 7:55 PM GMT
    DAVID_HALL saidswitch from creatine monohydrate to creatine ethyl ester, you'll have less water retention.

    THE MORE YOU KNOW.

    _d


    Well I am taking monohydrate.....


    So u think its water retention from creating as well?


    I thought creating makes u retain water only in ur muscles tho?
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    Oct 26, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    wolverinecub86 saidAh thanks. So ur saying my sudden weight gain prob wasn't from the creatine? Was prob from the 20 beers I had all weekend then lol.


    I distinctly remember someone, somewhere, saying that it's (very?) easy to gain those 3,500 calories (= 1 lb) from drinking beer. That does sound most reasonable. Could be. Just sayin'.
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    Oct 26, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
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    wolverinecub86 saidAh thanks. So ur saying my sudden weight gain prob wasn't from the creatine? Was prob from the 20 beers I had all weekend then lol.


    I distinctly remember someone, somewhere, saying that it's (very?) easy to gain those 3,500 calories (= 1 lb) from drinking beer. That does sound most reasonable Could be. Just sayin'.


    Well I'll never switch to light beer. Lol


    Tru man. It was a lot easier to maintain while "cutting", even with weekend drinking...

    I guess I will get a lil pudgy while bulking, Uhg. It's inevitable I guess.

    O well once I hit 180 i'll go back to tryin to lose the gut.

    Thx
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    Oct 26, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
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    BuddyinNYC said
    wolverinecub86 saidAh thanks. So ur saying my sudden weight gain prob wasn't from the creatine? Was prob from the 20 beers I had all weekend then lol.


    I distinctly remember someone, somewhere, saying that it's (very?) easy to gain those 3,500 calories (= 1 lb) from drinking beer. That does sound most reasonable Could be. Just sayin'.


    Well I'll never switch to light beer. Lol
    Tru man. It was a lot easier to maintain while "cutting", even with weekend drinking...
    I guess I will get a lil pudgy while bulking, Uhg. It's inevitable I guess.

    O well once I hit 180 i'll go back to tryin to lose the gut.

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    Good man! Guinness all the way!
    No matter how much you'll weigh, you'll always be Wolverine.
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    Oct 26, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    wolverinecub86 said
    Are fruits enough post workout carbs to bulk with?
    What other paleo starched can u recommend?


    In the Robb Wolf book p.195 he says 2-6 ounces of protein and 20-75 grams of carbs for post workout meal. The examples he gives are pork loin, salmon and London broil (whatever that is) for protein; and sweet potato, blue berries and water melon for carbs. But I'm sure you can use other foods. I buy what's on sale. A banana for example that weights 136 grams contains only 31 grams of carbs (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1846/2). So a banana would be perfect, unless you think you need more carbs than that. For me I would combine the banana with a starch, as starch really gives me sustained energy.

    Have red in other places that a little sweetness, like what you find in a banana, helps to deliver nutrients to muscles quickly. Have also red in several places that you want to eat 30-40 minutes after the workout for the food to have the desired effect.

    The paleo starches are yams, sweet potatoes, butternut squash, acorn squash, spaghetti squash, yucca (not 100% positive about yucca), and others. If you want tips on preparing them, just ask.

    The carb rule in Paleo is that you need to tune the fruits and starches and veggies to fit the needs of your body, which are different than anyone else's body. I eat only enough starch to keep my energy up. It does not take much. If I eat more than that I will put on unwanted fat. I keep fruit to a minimum. For green veggies there is no limit.

    The protein rule is that you should eat 1gm of protein for every pound of desired body weight. For me that means 180gm, which roughly translates into 200gm cooked meat three times per day. I have a little kitchen scale to tell me how much to eat.

    What sucks is that I live in a city full of the best bakeries and pastry shops anywhere, and this diet denies me a lot of culinary pleasure.
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    Oct 26, 2011 8:55 PM GMT
    Nivek ur awesome