Input needed: New car considerations

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 26, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    So this isn't the first time I've received input from you guys with regards to new car commentary. I'm starting the process of looking and gaining insight (which means I analyze the process with a fine toothed comb).
    You wouldn't think my criteria for new car would be hard:

    Work car

    1. Must be fuel efficient.. I drive this car all over Kansas and even into northern Oklahoma. While I used to put up to 24,000 miles on my car, its probably been shaved back to 19-20,000 K now. One of the first points I look at.

    2. Sportiness: I drove a 2001 Saturn SC1 for 3 years and racked up 94,000 miles before I traded it in for a Saturn Ion. Really made me a "Saturn client" since the SC 1 met both of these criteras. The Ion didn't... we lost the sportiness, even though I had a black car with the sport package added.
    My current vehicle is a black Saturn Astra and I have no complaints, except
    it isn't as sporty as what I would want. I might also mention I have a Ford Ranger 4x4 which is pretty awesome... and my first car, which is retired in my garage... I don't drive the Ranger in any work situations.

    3. Reasonable price: Sure, there are some other cars that match more my personality.. a Mustang being one, but this is primarily a work car and should be reasonably priced. It can be very difficult to find these three wrapped into one.

    4. Practicality: I drive this car in metro Wichita and Kansas City... it also is on gravel roads in rural Kansas. It needs to be all things to me as I'm out seeing clients.

    And GM of course canned Saturn (which was an absolutely stupid decision).
    so now what?

    Then I saw it... a new Hyundai car and I'm very interested. I hear it might have some "pick up" issues according to one report...
    The Hyundai Veloster:



    Just curious if you all have heard about this car or any others that might have come out that you recommend that I check out in this process?
  • Rami918

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    Oct 26, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
    E veloster is great my friend bought one it's great excellent fuel consumption looks awesome in black (or any color) and is really put well together
    U shld also look at a Fiat 500 or fiat 500C or even a Fiat 500Abarth if u want sportiness that's a beautiful car inside out
    Hmmm BMW came out with a new 1 series hatchback looks good (it's german so reliable) and it has efficient engines and FWD
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    Oct 26, 2011 7:37 PM GMT
    the 1 series is not FWD. it is RWD, but due to the shorter wheelbase, doesn't necessarily drive like it
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    Oct 26, 2011 7:43 PM GMT
    if you plan on having it serviced by the dealer and never touching the engine then you get to pick anything. If you want to take care of it I would run screaming away from anything compact and front-wheel-drive. The simple things like oil changes are easy enough on modern econoboxes but anything more involved is an enormous PITA. My civic's engine had to be dropped out the bottom with the subframe if you wanted to take it apart. Hence, Roadster icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 26, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    how about the KIA Optima 2011

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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 26, 2011 8:11 PM GMT
    Chris, spring for one of these...




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    Oct 26, 2011 8:26 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    Then I saw it... a new Hyundai car and I'm very interested. I hear it might have some "pick up" issues according to one report...
    The Hyundai Veloster:



    Just curious if you all have heard about this car or any others that might have come out that you recommend that I check out in this process?


    I was all set to buy a loaded Veloster just two weeks ago. I mean, come on, $23k and you get NAV w/back-up cam, push button start, 450 watt stereo, panoramic sunroof and 40 mpg highway? Thats a steal, I thought.

    I went in and drove a manual version and the love affair was over. Its not a bad car by any means, but youre right about it having pick-up issues; when you hit second gear you have to floor it to keep up with the flow of traffic. This will be fixed in a few months when they release a 200+ hp turbo model, but for now, 138 hp just doesnt cut it unless youre a leadfoot.

    The Veloster's big brother, the Genesis coupe, may be worth a look. Thats what I ended up with and I couldnt be happier. The turbo model is rated at 30 mpg highway and can be picked up for ~$22k OTD. If youre a negotiator, you can probably get one for even less.
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    Oct 26, 2011 8:33 PM GMT
    So since you're looking at Hyundai....look at the Verecruz SUV that they have. I just got one this past summer. And I love it! Leather seats, sunroof, etc and it handles great. A great SUV that's not a big boat. And with a sticker price below $40K. Go test drive one!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 26, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    gentracker said
    HndsmKansan said
    Then I saw it... a new Hyundai car and I'm very interested. I hear it might have some "pick up" issues according to one report...
    The Hyundai Veloster:



    Just curious if you all have heard about this car or any others that might have come out that you recommend that I check out in this process?


    I was all set to buy a loaded Veloster just two weeks ago. I mean, come on, $23k and you get NAV w/back-up cam, push button start, 450 watt stereo, panoramic sunroof and 40 mpg highway? Thats a steal, I thought.

    I went in and drove a manual version and the love affair was over. Its not a bad car by any means, but youre right about it having pick-up issues; when you hit second gear you have to floor it to keep up with the flow of traffic. This will be fixed in a few months when they release a 200+ hp turbo model, but for now, 138 hp just doesnt cut it unless youre a leadfoot.
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    Well you and I are on the same wavelength... I drive sticks and I'd want a manual I'd expect. Not sure if they have one at my Hyundai dealership, but you can be sure, I'll be driving one. The 200+ turbo might be more to my liking. We'll see. Thanks for the input... very valuable!!!!
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    Oct 26, 2011 8:40 PM GMT
    Chris,

    You mentioned Mustang and I'm thinking - why not? You don't have clients in the car very much, do you? I got to drive a new convertible belonging to a friend and was impressed. I really like it. I think the price was well below $20k.

    If you have to drive clients anywhere though, you may have to have a 4-door car with some room. (I've used the Rolls & Jag Vanden Plas for clients and they're very comfortable).

    More practically - and more fun - matching your personality might be these three (that I'm considering) in the future:

    Audi A4 (A8 is probably larger than you'd want) but A4 is cool and small.

    Jaguar XF (a cool smaller Jag but still sporty and with 4 doors).

    BMW 535i Sedan (Medium sized - plenty of room - and a lot of quality and fun). I just rode in one and was thinking this would be a great next car.

    But again - a Mustang would be fun. I'd like to have one myself. (Wouldn't it be great to have about 10 of our favorite cars? (Old classics & new models).

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    Oct 26, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    If you're seeing clients, would there be any issues with a car that is not from a US company? Was going to suggest Camaro, but if you're ruling out the Mustang, then the Camaro might not be appropriate. How bout sporty trucks, midsize from Ford or Chevy?
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    Oct 26, 2011 8:47 PM GMT
    tereseus1 saidhow about the KIA Optima 2011

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    ONe thing that bothers me about the Optima is the size/width of the wheels for a car that size. Get behind one on the road and you'll notice that for a midsize/fullsize the tires are ridiculously narrow.
  • trevchaser

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    Oct 26, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    What's your budget range and for something with "extra" what would you be willing to pay over your budget? icon_smile.gif
  • Rami918

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    Oct 26, 2011 8:55 PM GMT
    RoadsterRacer saidthe 1 series is not FWD. it is RWD, but due to the shorter wheelbase, doesn't necessarily drive like it


    The 2012 1-series is a FWD check it they changed it for better fuel economy since no one ever realizes it's RWD
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    Oct 26, 2011 9:03 PM GMT
    Rami918 said
    RoadsterRacer saidthe 1 series is not FWD. it is RWD, but due to the shorter wheelbase, doesn't necessarily drive like it


    The 2012 1-series is a FWD check it they changed it for better fuel economy since no one ever realizes it's RWD



    I think i read that article, but i think it was a "They might do..." article about a possible smaller-than-the-1 compact with FWD.
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    Oct 26, 2011 9:08 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    gentracker said
    HndsmKansan said
    Then I saw it... a new Hyundai car and I'm very interested. I hear it might have some "pick up" issues according to one report...
    The Hyundai Veloster:



    Just curious if you all have heard about this car or any others that might have come out that you recommend that I check out in this process?


    I was all set to buy a loaded Veloster just two weeks ago. I mean, come on, $23k and you get NAV w/back-up cam, push button start, 450 watt stereo, panoramic sunroof and 40 mpg highway? Thats a steal, I thought.

    I went in and drove a manual version and the love affair was over. Its not a bad car by any means, but youre right about it having pick-up issues; when you hit second gear you have to floor it to keep up with the flow of traffic. This will be fixed in a few months when they release a 200+ hp turbo model, but for now, 138 hp just doesnt cut it unless youre a leadfoot.
    .



    Well you and I are on the same wavelength... I drive sticks and I'd want a manual I'd expect. Not sure if they have one at my Hyundai dealership, but you can be sure, I'll be driving one. The 200+ turbo might be more to my liking. We'll see. Thanks for the input... very valuable!!!!


    My pleasure. I dont know much, but I do know my cars and Im always happy to give input.
  • rnch

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    Oct 26, 2011 9:13 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Jockbod48 said...(I've used the Rolls & Jag Vanden Plas for clients and they're very comfortable).

    More practically - and more fun - matching your personality might be these three (that I'm considering) in the future:

    Audi A4 (A8 is probably larger than you'd want) but A4 is cool and small.

    Jaguar XF (a cool smaller Jag but still sporty and with 4 doors).

    BMW 535i Sedan (Medium sized - plenty of room - and a lot of quality and fun). I just rode in one and was thinking this would be a great next car.
    ...[/quote]

    did you miss the "reasonable price" of the OP's initial thread posting?



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  • Celticmusl

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    Oct 26, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    I'm saving up for an Aston Martin Cygnet:

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    Oct 26, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    Celticmusl saidI'm saving up for an Aston Martin Cygnet:

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    but they'll only let you have one if you already own a full-sized aston icon_sad.gif
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    Oct 26, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
    "Reasonable" price means a lot of things to different people!

    Don't be shy to put a number on what you're looking to spend... range-wise....

    That way we can help you more!

    Ideas that jump to my head:

    -VW Jetta TDI
    - Ford Focus (I've heard awesome things)
    - Mini Cooper S
    - Mazda 3
    - Audi A3 TDI
  • rnch

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    Oct 26, 2011 9:47 PM GMT
    Trollileo saidStereotypical insulting answer: pretend your manhood is lacking and get yourself a full cabin, full bed truck and a custom built motorcycle that you'll never ever need.

    ZbmwM5 said"Reasonable" price means a lot of things to different people!...I've never heard a bad thing about the Jetta...



    when's the last time your hearing was checked?



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    Oct 26, 2011 9:48 PM GMT
    Trollileo saidStereotypical insulting answer: pretend your manhood is lacking and get yourself a full cabin, full bed truck and a custom built motorcycle that you'll never ever need.

    ZbmwM5 said"Reasonable" price means a lot of things to different people!

    Don't be shy to put a number on what you're looking to spend... range-wise....

    That way we can help you more!

    Ideas that jump to my head:

    -VW Jetta TDI
    - Ford Focus (I've heard awesome things)
    - Mini Cooper S
    - Mazda 3
    - Audi A3 TDI
    These are pretty much amazing suggestions aside from the Mini Cooper (ugly ass piece of shit). I've never heard a bad thing about the Jetta and this is from people who own one of them from the 80's and still do my friends who own Jettas love them to death. My friend and my sister love their Mazdas. I've heard nothing but good things about Audi and I've never disliked a Ford Focus and the newer ones are doing well.


    As long as you don't mind bringing the Jetta to the VW stealership for every service, yeah. Nobody likes working on new VWs and they'll charge you an arm and a leg for the simplest of service. The mini cooper was never meant to be an awe-inspiring design study. Its a fun little thing that is a blast to drive and makes good use of interior space in the spirit of the original that dominated the historic Rallye Monte Carlo
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    Oct 26, 2011 9:51 PM GMT
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    rnch said
    Trollileo saidStereotypical insulting answer: pretend your manhood is lacking and get yourself a full cabin, full bed truck and a custom built motorcycle that you'll never ever need.

    ZbmwM5 said"Reasonable" price means a lot of things to different people!...I've never heard a bad thing about the Jetta...

    when's the last time your hearing was checked?
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    He can get a used one for dirt cheap.


    Because the owner/seller is so desperate to sell because its a pain in the ass to maintain
  • rnch

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    Oct 26, 2011 9:52 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    rnch said
    Trollileo saidStereotypical insulting answer: pretend your manhood is lacking and get yourself a full cabin, full bed truck and a custom built motorcycle that you'll never ever need.

    ZbmwM5 said"Reasonable" price means a lot of things to different people!...I've never heard a bad thing about the Jetta...

    when's the last time your hearing was checked?
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    He can get a used one for dirt cheap.



    yeh, jettas are "dirt cheap" used because a mexican assembled jetta is an unreliable POS that often self destructs past 70k icon_exclaim.gif


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    Oct 26, 2011 9:54 PM GMT
    Buy an old Miata. run for 200k-300k miles before you have to rebuild the engine (and i said rebuild, not replace icon_biggrin.gif ) Plus you can land one for < $6k And they were built in Japan so quality is A+ and cheap as all hell to maintain