Mitt Romney Hires Militant as Adviser

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    Oct 27, 2011 11:02 PM GMT
    "I can't think of any earlier instance of a [possible presidential] adviser having held a comparable formal position with a foreign organization," says Paul Pillar, a 20-year veteran of the CIA and a professor at Georgetown's Center for Peace and Security Studies. "It should raise eyebrows any time someone in a position to exert behind-the-scenes influence on a US leader has ties to a foreign entity that are strong enough for foreign interests, and not just US interests, to determine the advice being given."

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/walid-phares-mitt-romney-lebanese-forces
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    Oct 28, 2011 4:25 AM GMT
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    Oct 28, 2011 10:21 PM GMT
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    For all the hoopla that was made regarding Obama's ties to Bill Ayers, this is actually more damning. And this is not just a passing association like the Obama-Ayers relationship, this is someone Romney intends to place in the White House as part of his staff.

    But since he's advising Mitt, I see you're giving him a pass. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 28, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
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    For all the hoopla that was made regarding Obama's ties to Bill Ayers, this is actually more damning. And this is not just a passing association like the Obama-Ayers relationship, this is someone Romney intends to place in the White House as part of his staff.

    But since he's advising Mitt, I see you're giving him a pass. icon_rolleyes.gif
    LOL isnt that the typical M.O. of the conservative hypocrites?
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    Oct 30, 2011 2:52 AM GMT
    This guy will get a pass because he's christian and against the muslims, he wanted to start a Chritian 'enclave' like Israel. Christians believe the bible story about God granting all of Israel (Sumaria and judia 'the west bank') so He'll get a pass from this standpoint too, Romney's man may be one of those who think Palestine never existed so have no land rights, to them Ideologs its just fine for Israel to build settlements. These are a few reasons for him to get a pass from US Far Right Republicans.


    But saying that there's never been anyone mixed in our government as advisor with such a conflict of interest.

    COME ON !!! 41 of Bush/Cheney's 54 person administration had dual citizenship with Israel. Read on Wikipedia about these people, read what mr Ledeen had to say about war, he was an advisor of that administration through Rove and was mixed up in that forgery over yellowcake and Plame situation trying to pin something on Iraq'a Hussein. The list of the Bush/Cheney's dual citizen/conflicts of interest majority admin is amazing, and now someone wants to claim conflict of interest ? LOL What a joke, where were they when we were being driven to war by Israeli's involved in our government. Why aren't these same people talking about many of the same people with conflicts of interst under Bush Cheney, even now pushing for the US to go to war with Iran for the sake of Israel..

    The Pass given these people is astounding because if you expose it, your anti semitic. yet they led the way to the US vast waste of blood and treasure. romney's man is kid stuff in comparison.
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    Oct 30, 2011 4:05 AM GMT
    Maybe it's to help Mitt understand those rat bag militant democrats.
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    Oct 30, 2011 4:07 AM GMT
    Did you read about how Owebama has reds under his bed?
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    For all the hoopla that was made regarding Obama's ties to Bill Ayers, this is actually more damning. And this is not just a passing association like the Obama-Ayers relationship, this is someone Romney intends to place in the White House as part of his staff.

    But since he's advising Mitt, I see you're giving him a pass. icon_rolleyes.gif




    Not giving him a pass, I just don't know that much about it. Being one who reads several newspapers, belongs to many news sites online, and watches a good deal of news on TV, I have heard seen this mentioned anywhere other than in this thread. I have since Googled this and, of course, found more but this is hardly front page news -- at least it hasn't become that yet. Motherjones.com is hardly the most credible source to cite. Furthermore, lets put things in perspective here. This guy is being named as a co-chair of Presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Middle East advisory group -- that's right, an "advisory group" -- and any real effective advisory is going to have to be comprised of various factions in the middle east if it is going to have any realistic perspective of the overall situation and mentality in that part of the world. That being said, let's see where this story goes -- I suspect nowhere -- and what we learn as it gets more dissected. All it really is now is a "grasping at straws" type item that anyone anti-Romney will use against him since he is clearly the front-runner. Ironically, I don't even think I have heard any of his GOP opponents try to use this against Romney yet. I suspect the reason for this is that any middle east "advisory group", regardless of the candidate or party, would likely have at least one person with a not so perfect past.
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    For all the hoopla that was made regarding Obama's ties to Bill Ayers, this is actually more damning. And this is not just a passing association like the Obama-Ayers relationship, this is someone Romney intends to place in the White House as part of his staff.

    But since he's advising Mitt, I see you're giving him a pass. icon_rolleyes.gif




    Not giving him a pass, I just don't know that much about it. Being one who reads several newspapers, belongs to many news sites online, and watches a good deal of news on TV, I have heard seen this mentioned anywhere other than in this thread. I have since Googled this and, of course, found more but this is hardly front page news -- at least it hasn't become that yet. Motherjones.com is hardly the most credible source to cite. Furthermore, lets put things in perspective here. This guy is being named as a co-chair of Presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Middle East advisory group -- that's right, an "advisory group" -- and any real effective advisory is going to have to be comprised of various factions in the middle east if it is going to have any realistic perspective of the overall situation and mentality in that part of the world. That being said, let's see where this story goes -- I suspect nowhere -- and what we learn as it gets more dissected. All it really is now is a "grasping at straws" type item that anyone anti-Romney will use against him since he is clearly the front-runner. Ironically, I don't even think I have heard any of his GOP opponents try to use this against Romney yet. I suspect the reason for this is that any middle east "advisory group", regardless of the candidate or party, would likely have at least one person with a not so perfect past.




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    In foreign policy considerations it is expected and realistically sound to seek those closest to a country or region when deciding on policy. Where it becomes a problem is when any one country's citizens overwelm an administration, or when using someone as a 'peace negotiator' with the reps known 'enemy'.

    case in point --- Dennis Ross

    He had dual citizenship with Israel, using him as a source of information as to Israel's stance on any given subject is acceptable, but not to send him to negotiate with Israel's enemy Palestine as Obama did, but it gets a pass from repubs because its Israel in question. If the US expects to serve as a disinterested third party in bringing the two sides together, sending in Ross with Dual Citizenship with Israel is the last thing we should do if we want to appear credible.

    The same goes for Romney's choices of advisors, at this point he's done nothing that hasn't been done many times over with Israeli advisors. But lets turn the table and if this guy was one of Obama's team and was sent to deal with Israel, you would see the media explode over the shoe being on the other foot.

    There is hypocrisy here aplenty.
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    creature said
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    For all the hoopla that was made regarding Obama's ties to Bill Ayers, this is actually more damning. And this is not just a passing association like the Obama-Ayers relationship, this is someone Romney intends to place in the White House as part of his staff.

    But since he's advising Mitt, I see you're giving him a pass. icon_rolleyes.gif




    Not giving him a pass, I just don't know that much about it. Being one who reads several newspapers, belongs to many news sites online, and watches a good deal of news on TV, I have heard seen this mentioned anywhere other than in this thread. I have since Googled this and, of course, found more but this is hardly front page news -- at least it hasn't become that yet. Motherjones.com is hardly the most credible source to cite. Furthermore, lets put things in perspective here. This guy is being named as a co-chair of Presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Middle East advisory group -- that's right, an "advisory group" -- and any real effective advisory is going to have to be comprised of various factions in the middle east if it is going to have any realistic perspective of the overall situation and mentality in that part of the world. That being said, let's see where this story goes -- I suspect nowhere -- and what we learn as it gets more dissected. All it really is now is a "grasping at straws" type item that anyone anti-Romney will use against him since he is clearly the front-runner. Ironically, I don't even think I have heard any of his GOP opponents try to use this against Romney yet. I suspect the reason for this is that any middle east "advisory group", regardless of the candidate or party, would likely have at least one person with a not so perfect past.


    Why would any of his GOP opponents use it against him -- the man is a Christian militant. That's an asset in their book. And while he is part of an advisory group, the article mentions the promise to staff this man in the white house should Romney be elected president.
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    Oct 30, 2011 5:05 PM GMT
    creature saidwhile he is part of an advisory group, the article mentions the promise to staff this man in the white house should Romney be elected president.


    Well, the article can say whatever it wants -- doesn't make it necessarily true. Stating this as "a promise to staff this man in The White House" is at the very least a disingenuous or misleading statement, and at most something being blown way out of proportion to create a story where there isn't any -- at least not yet anyway. Regardless, Mitt Romney is a smart man. I trust he will staff his administration accordingly in the event that he even makes it to The White House.
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    Oct 30, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
    The article relayed a message from Phares to a close friend that Romney promised him a white house position. So unless Romney himself is being disingenuous or misleading, then it does cause concern.

    This is certainly more troubling than the association between Ayers and Obama that the right made a big fuss about, including some members on this forum.
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    Creature, Usually you and I agree, but how on this subject, can the Obama administration use this against Romney, when his administration Uses the likes of Dennis Ross in his administration and I dare say that Mr Ross is just one of many in the Obama administration with a conflict of interest involving dual citizenship with Israel while using them to create policy regarding Palestine and negotiating with Palestine. Many of the Past advisors from Israel are died in the wool Zionist Fanatics and took us to war, some of them are right now pushing for war. Obama gets a pass because its Israel from whom he's drawn from with conflicts of Interest. Romney's man however is from Lebanon, an enemy of Israel's, this is the only difference, even so he still may get a pass because he represents Lebanese Christians, not Islamists.

    None of these people should be used for anything but verifying the positions of the country's they represent, they certainly shouldn't be a part of our government deciding on actual policy regarding wars that their country would potentially benefit from. It makes no difference where these people come from, the most they should be involved in is as advisors and use few of them, they should not be decision makers.
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    creature saidThe article relayed a message from Phares to a close friend that Romney promised him a white house position. So unless Romney himself is being disingenuous or misleading, then it does cause concern.

    This is certainly more troubling than the association between Ayers and Obama that the right made a big fuss about, including some members on this forum.



    You are right on this, Romney is certainly more connected to this Phares than Obama ever was to Ayers.

    All of this depends on whose side these people come from as to whether or not the far right republicans give a pass. If these people come with christian credentials backing Israel, they can overtake an administration like with Bush 41, had dual citizenship of 54, and nothing will be said. Put in one person with islamic background and watch the fireworks. Pheres probably has the correct christian credentials of backing Israel or he would be gone already.


    I know some hate for this to come up involving Israel, but its a fact of life, its right in the middle because the US has mixed up Israels interests with our own and with it comes miriads of problems. We shouldn't be favoring one country in the Middle East, then hope to have credibility and avoid Isolation from the rest. Pheres is just one of many with conflicts of interest,