Disappointed Democrats protest Obama's SF visit

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    Oct 29, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
    Disappointed Democrats protest Obama's SF visit

    Carla Marinucci,Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Political Writers

    Wednesday, October 26, 2011

    SAN FRANCISCO --

    In a powerful display of profound disappointment with President Obama, some of the Democratic Party's biggest donors gathered Tuesday - not inside his tony San Francisco fundraiser at the W Hotel, but outside on the sidewalks carrying signs in protest of his policies.

    "I don't even know what he stands for," said Susie Tompkins Buell, a co-founder of the Esprit clothing company and one of the most generous Democratic Party donors in the nation - instrumental in backing such powerhouse progressive organizations as the Democracy Alliance and Media Matters.

    Tompkins Buell, who is a longtime friend of Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and was among her biggest donors in the 2008 presidential race, has long played a starring role in San Francisco as a hostess for presidents, top legislators and world leaders at fundraisers for progressive campaign causes.

    But on Tuesday, instead of dining with the elite crowd of about 200 who paid at least $5,000 a head - and up to $7,500 for a photo with the president - at the two-hour luncheon, the Democratic activist, who could easily afford the fundraiser, said it was more important to stand outside with an estimated 1,000 demonstrators.

    Her goal: to urge Obama to stop the Keystone XL pipeline, a proposed 1,700-mile underground conduit linking the tar-sand fields in Alberta, Canada, to Texas refineries. Environmentalists say the pipeline would result in untold environmental damage. "I think this is a huge issue about our future, about the planet, not just America," she said. "And he needs to be a leader ... to have the awareness of it. To fight for it."

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    Oct 29, 2011 2:57 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell, not to worry, they'll all still vote for him anyway. icon_rolleyes.gif


    You know what's interesting? Listening to some of my parents' friends - some of whom are referred to as "Checkbook democrats" in San Francisco. It is interesting listening to how upset and disgusted most of them are with Obama. To be fair, most of them wanted Hillary. But to go to dinners and gatherings where people I've known all my life - are freely talking with each other about how they feel about Obama. They feel lied to, and feel they have an amateur in office - one who didn't know the difference between what he could promise - and what he could actually pull off. What did they expect from our illustrious community organizer? The amazing thing to me is how angry many of San Francisco's leading democrats (like my parents and their friends) have been throughout his entire term.

    I remember two years into President Reagan's first term. He was riding the crest of a wave of popularity like I had never seen before. He was swept into office for his second term. Look back at his numbers, libs. Check it out. He did so much for California for two glorious terms, and then two more terms as president. What a difference between President Reagan and what we're stuck with now.

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    Oct 29, 2011 3:00 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell, not to worry, they'll all still vote for him anyway. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Have to agree with Jockbod48's message just above. A number of traditionally life-long Democrats I know feel embarrassed that they let themselves be conned into voting for him. I think several will vote Republican next year, even if they aren't thrilled doing so, to restore their self-respect.
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    Oct 29, 2011 3:37 AM GMT
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    Jockbod48 said But to go to dinners and gatherings where people I've known all my life - are freely talking with each other about how they feel about Obama. They feel lied to, and feel they have an amateur in office - one who didn't know the difference between what he could promise - and what he could actually pull off. What did they expect from our illustrious community organizer? The amazing thing to me is how angry many of San Francisco's leading democrats (like my parents and their friends) have been throughout his entire term.


    But are they worried because he hasn't been as "socialist" as they thought he would be? Because if that's the case, most of them are still going to vote for him, many of the remainder won't vote at all and maybe a smattering will vote Republican.

    Just to be clear: I'm talking San Francisco / Los Angeles / NYC Democrats.


    The ones I am familiar with are in LA and NYC, granted just a small subset. Another factor at play in LA and NYC is the liberal tendency of the Jewish population, which is highly displeased with his attitude towards Israel.
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    Oct 29, 2011 11:14 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell, not to worry, they'll all still vote for him anyway. icon_rolleyes.gif



    as always, life is a compromise.

    compared to the lackluster GOP candidates available to choose from; President obama is the clear choice to serve us for four more years.


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    Oct 29, 2011 11:37 AM GMT
    i was 2 young 2 vote in that last election. i've heard my rents and their friends talk tho. most of them simply left the presidential section unmarked. they could not bring themselves 2 vote for either Obama or McCain. i'm thinking the same will happen this time around no matter who runs against Obama.
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    Oct 29, 2011 12:10 PM GMT
    Problem is: if you don´t vote democrat and /spits/ Obama then who gets in? Romney? Cain?!

    Obama has been a disappointment. He has been infinitely better than anyone the GOP could put forward this time round
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    Oct 29, 2011 1:45 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidProblem is: if you don´t vote democrat and /spits/ Obama then who gets in? Romney? Cain?!

    Obama has been a disappointment. He has been infinitely better than anyone the GOP could put forward this time round
    Agreed.
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    Oct 29, 2011 2:19 PM GMT
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    Lostboy saidProblem is: if you don´t vote democrat and /spits/ Obama then who gets in? Romney? Cain?!

    Obama has been a disappointment. He has been infinitely better than anyone the GOP could put forward this time round
    Agreed.


    I promise you that the GOP is gonna be working hard to convince those who are disenchanted with both parties to just stay at home and out of the voting booths for the reason that you stated above - they'd much rather that people not go into the polls with the goal of voting for the lesser of two evils, because they know that they will lose the majority of those votes.
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    Oct 29, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    Election 2012:

    I'm calling it now - the Empty Suit Contest.

    272 - Obama
    266 - Mittens

    The Demoreplicorp party: Garanteeing uselessness in government since 1988.
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    Oct 29, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    The problem isn't Obama. He had great ideas, but had to deal with the Party Of No. The Republicans have said no to taxing the wealthy, no to health care, no to the stimulus bill, no to most spending, they are going to run this country in the ground. Vote out the Party Of NO.
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    Oct 29, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
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    Lostboy saidProblem is: if you don´t vote democrat and /spits/ Obama then who gets in? Romney? Cain?!

    Obama has been a disappointment. He has been infinitely better than anyone the GOP could put forward this time round
    Agreed.


    I promise you that the GOP is gonna be working hard to convince those who are disenchanted with both parties to just stay at home and out of the voting booths for the reason that you stated above - they'd much rather that people not go into the polls with the goal of voting for the lesser of two evils, because they know that they will lose the majority of those votes.
    They can work as hard as they want.. some of us will be working just as hard to expose them(GOP) for the bullshit artists they are!

    There is not one GOP presidential contender that even gets any looks by me except Huntsman, and he doesnt have a chance in hell.
    Therefore, you know exactly where my vote will be going unless hell freezes over in the next 13 months.
    I never sit out elections, never will either.
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    Oct 29, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
    1st, i'm a registered independent. neither major political party fully supports my views, thus i do not fully support either political party.

    2nd, i know our next president will be from either the Democratic or Republican party.

    3rd, i wish one of the other provided a candidate i could vote FOR rather than one i will vote AGAINST.

    4th, it sucks that the "adults" act like such children when it comes 2 politics. when will the majority centrists stand up and say "enough's enough?"
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    Oct 29, 2011 4:41 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell, not to worry, they'll all still vote for him anyway. icon_rolleyes.gif


    And that's the same attitude some conservatives have about Mitt Romney. They would rather have Cain or Bachmann, but to get someone who poses a better challenge to Obama, they're reluctantly voting for Romney.
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    Oct 29, 2011 4:56 PM GMT
    tailgater_3 said

    4th, it sucks that the "adults" act like such children when it comes 2 politics. when will the majority centrists stand up and say "enough's enough?"
    I think we are!....
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    Oct 29, 2011 5:07 PM GMT
    Claude23 saidThe problem isn't Obama. He had great ideas, but had to deal with the Party Of No. The Republicans have said no to taxing the wealthy, no to health care, no to the stimulus bill, no to most spending, they are going to run this country in the ground. Vote out the Party Of NO.


    Actually, Obama said no to taxing the wealthy: he signed the bill extending the Bush tax cuts and no one forced him to do so.

    Republicans and independents were right to oppose the "stimulus," which was not a stimulus but rather a slush fush for favored lobbyists, interest groups and donors.

    Neither is it anybody's fault but Obama's that he decided to sign into law a bailout of the health insurance corporations and multinational pharmaceuticals poorly disguised as "health care reform." He should have been pressing for an infrastructure-based jobs bill and instead wasted a year on his hell scare deform boondoggle pulled right from the pages of the right-wing Heritage Foundation and Romneycare -- all while unemployment and economic misery ballooned.

    He has spent like a drunken sailor, spurring inflation and devaluation of the dollar, all the while failing miserably to reign in Wall Street. The Dodd-Frank bill is a Democratic bill, and it sucks bigtime. Their failure to re-regulate Wall Street effectively when they controlled Washington is not a Republican failure.

    The Republicans could not possibly "run this country in to the ground": Bush and his blackface twin Obama have already done that. Unfortunately, the GOP seems set to nominate Mitt Romney instead of a real reformer, since the other Republican candidates are homo-hating right-wing clowns with none of the thoughtful perspective necessary to lead the nation.

    As Mitt is probably the only active politician in the nation less trustworthy and more duplicitous than Obama (and frankly it's not even close) it leaves the electorate no choice but to make Obama the LEAST-deserving two term President ever. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

    So looks like Election Day 2012 will truly be one of the saddest days in American history. But don't blame me: I voted for Hillary.
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    Oct 29, 2011 5:29 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said... As Mitt is probably the only active politician in the nation less trustworthy and more duplicitous than Obama (and frankly it's not even close) it leaves the electorate no choice but to make Obama the LEAST-deserving two term President ever. Better the devil you know than the one you don't....

    Incredible you would make such a statement, especially having posted in the thread linked below. Apparently you ignore all the lies and broken promises from Obama and only consider Romney changing his positions.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1910415
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    Oct 29, 2011 5:52 PM GMT
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    TroyAthlete said... As Mitt is probably the only active politician in the nation less trustworthy and more duplicitous than Obama (and frankly it's not even close) it leaves the electorate no choice but to make Obama the LEAST-deserving two term President ever. Better the devil you know than the one you don't....

    Incredible you would make such a statement, especially having posted in the thread linked below. Apparently you ignore all the lies and broken promises from Obama and only consider Romney changing his positions.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1910415



    How can you defend the Party of NO???
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    Oct 29, 2011 5:57 PM GMT
    Come on, Claude. I've read some of your posts. Give it a rest. Here's what you need to do: Go back and get some experience. Learn something about economics. Also - complete your profile, add some pics and get verified. Then, after you become seasoned in world politics - let us all know where to get off.

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    Oct 29, 2011 6:07 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 said.

    I remember two years into President Reagan's first term. He was riding the crest of a wave of popularity like I had never seen before. He was swept into office for his second term. Look back at his numbers, libs. Check it out. He did so much for California for two glorious terms, and then two more terms as president. What a difference between President Reagan and what we're stuck with now.

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    I agree that the Reagan years were unlike anything I can remember in my lifetime. Americans were actually proud to be Americans. Reagan was an astoundingly affective leader on the world stage. I don't dislike Obama, though I am finding it harder and harder to listen to his preachy speeches. I just think that he was a huge mistake in hindsight. Hillary Clinton would have been a far better choice with Obama as her V.P., which likely would have been an 8 year term that would have then set Obama up for a Presidency in 2016 that he was prepared for. He's just in over his head. Unfortunately, the USA had to learn this reality the hard way.
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    Jockbod48 said.

    I remember two years into President Reagan's first term. He was riding the crest of a wave of popularity like I had never seen before. He was swept into office for his second term. Look back at his numbers, libs. Check it out. He did so much for California for two glorious terms, and then two more terms as president. What a difference between President Reagan and what we're stuck with now.

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    I agree that the Reagan years were unlike anything I can remember in my lifetime. Americans were actually proud to be Americans. Reagan was an astoundingly affective leader on the world stage. I don't dislike Obama, though I am finding it harder and harder to listen to his preachy speeches. I just think that he was a huge mistake in hindsight. Hillary Clinton would have been a far better choice with Obama as her V.P., which likely would have been an 8 year term that would have then set Obama up for a Presidency in 2016 that he was prepared for. He's just in over his head. Unfortunately, the USA had to learn this reality the hard way.


    What is it about Reagan that everyone loves so much. He drove us into debt and crapped all over the poor. He just made the rich richer. What did this prove? NOTHING.




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    Oct 29, 2011 6:12 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidCome on, Claude. I've read some of your posts. Give it a rest. Here's what you need to do: Go back and get some experience. Learn something about economics. Also - complete your profile, add some pics and get verified. Then, after you become seasoned in world politics - let us all know where to get off.

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    Maybe you need to turn Fox News Off and go to the real world. Look at all the poor people without jobs down on Wall Street Protesting and all the other protesters in major cities getting harassed by the police. There are people out there who need help and all the Party Of NO can do is deny them of benefits and give tax breaks to the rich.
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    Oct 29, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidCome on, Claude. I've read some of your posts. Give it a rest. Here's what you need to do: Go back and get some experience. Learn something about economics. Also - complete your profile, add some pics and get verified. Then, after you become seasoned in world politics - let us all know where to get off.

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    Jockbod48 - don't pick on Claude. I've commented before - quite sure we have very similar political views, and "Claude" is really one of our boys who is having fun playing the role of the absolute stupidest liberal possible - a caricature. You have to give him credit - it takes a lot of work and determination being the stupidest. He's having a great time, and I think he is hilarious.
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    Oct 29, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidCome on, Claude. I've read some of your posts. Give it a rest. Here's what you need to do: Go back and get some experience. Learn something about economics. Also - complete your profile, add some pics and get verified. Then, after you become seasoned in world politics - let us all know where to get off.

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    Jockbod48 - don't pick on Claude. I've commented before - quite sure we have very similar political views, and "Claude" is really one of our boys who is having fun playing the role of the absolute stupidest liberal possible - a caricature. You have to give him credit - it takes a lot of work and determination being the stupidest. He's having a great time, and I think he is hilarious.


    SoCalFitness, you never answered my question. Why do you defend the party of NO??
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    Oct 29, 2011 6:44 PM GMT
    Claude23 said

    Why do you defend the party of NO??



    Speaking of "talking points"....NEXT!