Republicans Vote to Repeal Gay Marriage in NH

  • GQjock

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    Oct 31, 2011 9:23 AM GMT
    NH Republicans Vote To Replace Gay Marriage With Civil Unions Open to Siblings
    http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2011/10/29/nh-republicans-vote-to-replace-gay-marriage-with-civil-unions-open-to-siblings/

    This week, the State House Judiciary Committee approved a bill (HB 437) 11-6 that would repeal gay marriage in the state. In its stead, gay couples could enter into Civil Unions. So, by the way, could brothers and sisters. Essentially, the committee voted to repeal full marriage equality and replace it with something so meaningless that even siblings could partake.
    Even though 62 percent of New Hampshire residents oppose repealing gay marriage, while only 27 percent support repeal. Additionally, a Public Policy Polling survey from July showed that 51 percent support gay marriage, while only 38 percent opposed it. There is no question that public opinion in the Granite State is in favor of marriage equality – not civil unions, but full marriage equality.


    What changed in NH?
    .............................................................. Republicans are now in the majority
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    Oct 31, 2011 11:59 AM GMT
    This is so dishearting. But its a constant reminder that these religious people are waging war against us. We need to fight back in every way we can, but most specifically, at the ballot box.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 31, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
    Indeed sad, the right wing push back........

    Time to get busy for the next election....
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    Oct 31, 2011 12:47 PM GMT
    This proves the reason that i don't vote: Civilians' votes don't count.
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    Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM GMT
    As much as I am not a fan of judiciary "legislation from the bench", it may well be that the best recourse rests with the courts, and eventually the SCOTUS, finding the DOMA and other discriminatory/unequal state laws unconstitutional.

    Or an amendment to the Constitution is specifically passed:

    "The right to an equal marriage between any two consenting adults of sound mind shall neither be abridged nor infringed, and states and their delegated authority to perform marriage will not prevent a lawful marriage.

    Moreover, congregations of faiths will not be compelled to celebrate marriages that are outside of their charter; however, the right to be equally married is reserved to the people."
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    Oct 31, 2011 1:21 PM GMT
    TriAthInCA saidThis is so dishearting. But its a constant reminder that these religious people are waging war against us. We need to fight back in every way we can, but most specifically, at the ballot box.


    Not all religious are anti-gay. The Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire is an out gay man and was married in the church. Both bishops of NJ, all six bishops of CA and at least four of the six bishops of NY all campaigned for passage of civil marriage in their states.

    I know they are not the majority but we definitely have some allies in churches and that number is growing. I work on a program called Believe Out Loud which is working to further LGBT equality in 14 Christian denominations. We are over 30k fans on Facebook so there is definitely a change in attitude coming. A survey last year found that among practicing Catholics (!) a majority of people were in favor of civil marriage rights for same-sex couples. Now (as in NH) we just have to get the leadership to see what it is the people want.
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    Oct 31, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
    Shame Shame. Though my country is no better example. Quite the worse for wear to say the least. We have no hope of achieving marriage equality in the next 5 years.
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    Oct 31, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
    njmeanwhile said
    TriAthInCA saidThis is so dishearting. But its a constant reminder that these religious people are waging war against us. We need to fight back in every way we can, but most specifically, at the ballot box.


    Not all religious are anti-gay. The Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire is an out gay man and was married in the church. Both bishops of NJ, all six bishops of CA and at least four of the six bishops of NY all campaigned for passage of civil marriage in their states.

    I know they are not the majority but we definitely have some allies in churches and that number is growing. I work on a program called Believe Out Loud which is working to further LGBT equality in 14 Christian denominations. We are over 30k fans on Facebook so there is definitely a change in attitude coming. A survey last year found that among practicing Catholics (!) a majority of people were in favor of civil marriage rights for same-sex couples. Now (as in NH) we just have to get the leadership to see what it is the people want.


    I am sure there are plenty of religious and spiritual folks out the that are not anti-gay (I count myself among the spititual). My point is specific to the republican party and the strangle hold the religious right has had on them for the past 3 decades. It is this group of people who truly believe that once a society accepts homosexuallity, it means the destruction of that society. Hence they will fight us tooth and nail to a bloody end. I know because I was an evangelical for many years.
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    Oct 31, 2011 1:39 PM GMT
    76coopers saidShame Shame. Though my country is no better example. Quite the worse for wear to say the least. We have no hope of achieving marriage equality in the next 5 years.
    The only hope we have is the hope we make for ourselves. Until gays band together and start killing the anti-gay/bigoted religious leaders, we will never achieve equality.
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    Oct 31, 2011 1:50 PM GMT
    And yet conservatives continue to tell us that republican candidates would not try to roll back civil rights legislation even though they have signed pledges, and despite their voting history. icon_rolleyes.gif


    "When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Oct 31, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidThe only hope we have is the hope we make for ourselves. Until gays band together and start killing the anti-gay/bigoted religious leaders, we will never achieve equality.


    That is called vigilantism and mob rule ... and is often punished in very nasty ways by the majority population once it figures out what has just happened when an armed minority starts potting people in the name of revolution.

    Usually it results in very long prison sentences, if not in folks being strung up from the nearest tree, or summarily shot.

    It is a very extremely bad road for us to start down, because we will not win by that method as only 2-3% of the population.
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    Oct 31, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidThe only hope we have is the hope we make for ourselves. Until gays band together and start killing the anti-gay/bigoted religious leaders, we will never achieve equality.


    That is called vigilantism and mob rule ... and is often punished in very nasty ways by the majority population once it figures out what has just happened when an armed minority starts potting people in the name of revolution.

    Usually it results in very long prison sentences, if not in folks being strung up from the nearest tree, or summarily shot.

    It is a very extremely bad road for us to start down, because we will not win by that method as only 2-3% of the population.


    Do you think he is actually for real? yikes
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    Oct 31, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
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    alphatrigger said
    paulflexes saidThe only hope we have is the hope we make for ourselves. Until gays band together and start killing the anti-gay/bigoted religious leaders, we will never achieve equality.


    That is called vigilantism and mob rule ... and is often punished in very nasty ways by the majority population once it figures out what has just happened when an armed minority starts potting people in the name of revolution.

    Usually it results in very long prison sentences, if not in folks being strung up from the nearest tree, or summarily shot.

    It is a very extremely bad road for us to start down, because we will not win by that method as only 2-3% of the population.


    Do you think he is actually for real? yikes
    When has Paul ever said something on this forum that wasn't tongue-in-cheek? icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 31, 2011 2:52 PM GMT
    Its an election year. They are doing it to shore up the base. Its common for either party to do things like this in an election year, even if it has no traction with the general public. Its more a marketing scheme than anything else. Its used to put people within the party on the spot. Why they embrace that far right I dont know. Im not from NH and dont follow their politics.
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    Oct 31, 2011 2:53 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    76coopers saidShame Shame. Though my country is no better example. Quite the worse for wear to say the least. We have no hope of achieving marriage equality in the next 5 years.
    The only hope we have is the hope we make for ourselves. Until gays band together and start killing the anti-gay/bigoted religious leaders, we will never achieve equality.


    I dont think that will happen. Gays are so passive when it comes to stuff like this.
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    Oct 31, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidThe only hope we have is the hope we make for ourselves. Until gays band together and start killing the anti-gay/bigoted religious leaders, we will never achieve equality.


    That is called vigilantism and mob rule ... and is often punished in very nasty ways by the majority population once it figures out what has just happened when an armed minority starts potting people in the name of revolution.

    Usually it results in very long prison sentences, if not in folks being strung up from the nearest tree, or summarily shot.

    It is a very extremely bad road for us to start down, because we will not win by that method as only 2-3% of the population.

    Oh, you mean the Teabagger approach? Like when Sarah Palin said: "Don't retreat -- reload." The Teabaggers clamoring for another bloody American revolution is OK, but we gays are vigilantes, when we're just trying to stay alive, and preserve our US Constitutional civil rights?

    And I question your 2-3% number. I think we are more, and have more allies than you admit.

    No, I don't encourage taking to the barricades at this point, though Jefferson said we always have that option. The Teabaggers claim it, so I don't see why we can't, too. We're the ones they want to annihilate, I would merely call it self-defense.

    As for tactics to achieve our end, simple violence is often counter-productive. Being former military I understand conflict, but also it's limitations. I am more interested in the ends than the means. But if guns are turned against us, what then should we do?
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    Oct 31, 2011 3:10 PM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    paulflexes saidThe only hope we have is the hope we make for ourselves. Until gays band together and start killing the anti-gay/bigoted religious leaders, we will never achieve equality.


    That is called vigilantism and mob rule ... and is often punished in very nasty ways by the majority population once it figures out what has just happened when an armed minority starts potting people in the name of revolution.
    If you walk through a predominately black neighborhood yelling the n-word at the top of your lungs, what do you think would happen? Would they cry and go hang themselves, or would they fucking shoot you dead on the spot? icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 31, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
    Have no fear Republicans !!! Vote republican because "social issues aren't that important anymore". Nothing to worry about !!! (this per one of our republican apologists)


    Can someone please explain to us how gay republicans can continue to vote republican in state and national races, when its so obvious that religious Ideology is what motivates Republicans these days?

    Even if you totally ignore gay issues, there are plenty of warning signs that we don't want these Ideologs running government from their perspective of what god wants for America. Just listen to the debates, read about their backers Ideology, then tell us again how safe it is to vote republican. Ron Paul is the only one that isn't run by these Ideologs, but he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected.

    Being fiscally conservative is reasonable on its own, but not wrapped up with the baggage from these Ideologs.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 31, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    paulflexes saidThe only hope we have is the hope we make for ourselves. Until gays band together and start killing the anti-gay/bigoted religious leaders, we will never achieve equality.


    That is called vigilantism and mob rule ... and is often punished in very nasty ways by the majority population once it figures out what has just happened when an armed minority starts potting people in the name of revolution.

    Usually it results in very long prison sentences, if not in folks being strung up from the nearest tree, or summarily shot.

    It is a very extremely bad road for us to start down, because we will not win by that method as only 2-3% of the population.



    Don't listen to PaulFlexes....he's just spouting stuff that even HE knows would never happen or could never work.
  • hartfan

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    Oct 31, 2011 3:29 PM GMT
    This is extremely disheartening. Now they are actively voting to remove the rights of a minority.

    Reading the details carefully, the civil unions bit is even more damaging. Instead of reverting back to the type of civil unions before New Hampshire legalized same-sex marriage two years ago, which granted gays all the rights and responsibilities of marriage except in name, the new civil unions law would be open to any two adults (clearly intended to equate same-sex marriage with incest), and would allow anyone to discriminate against such couples in employment, housing and public accommodations based on religious or moral beliefs. This makes the civil union totally worthless if even a state employee can discriminate against you and your spouse while holding an official social contract. Such insidiousness by the lawmakers and the people behind this just makes my blood boil. How can people not see this as freedom to discriminate?
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    Oct 31, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Oh, you mean the Teabagger approach? Like when Sarah Palin said: "Don't retreat -- reload." The Teabaggers clamoring for another bloody American revolution is OK, but we gays are vigilantes, when we're just trying to stay alive, and preserve our US Constitutional civil rights?

    No, I don't encourage taking to the barricades at this point, though Jefferson said we always have that option. The Teabaggers claim it, so I don't see why we can't, too. We're the ones they want to annihilate, I would merely call it self-defense.

    But if guns are turned against us, what then should we do?



    Oh good lord, you really ARE a DRAMA QUEEN! "Just trying to stay alive"? "We're the ones they are trying to annihilate"???? "If guns are turned against us"???? Seriously???? You really need to STOP listening to those little voices icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 31, 2011 3:33 PM GMT
    Unfortunately when it comes to issues like sexuality and reproductive rights, people who stand to lose nothing from these rights being granted are far more likely to vote than those who stand to gain nothing. We have not been successful in convincing enough "straight allies" that this is worth them speaking up. They agree in principle but don't feel strongly enough about it to go out of their way.

    In my opinion the answer to that is that more people need to be out and put their loved ones on the spot when it comes to votes. Not voting for this means voting against me, it's as simple as that.
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    Oct 31, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
    @Mock & B.w.moose:

    I'm 98% sure Paul is speaking in jest. The remaining 2% uncertainty is the point he is trying to make, that suggests that he wouldn't mind seeing some bigot get potted by a sniper.

    There are few things that are ever said without a grain of true intent behind them, however minute.
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    Oct 31, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
    Lets get off the hysteria and back on the topic,

    What happened in NH is just another warning sign that voting republican means a vote for the religious Ideologs, who are actively pushing the party mantra to the far right
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    Oct 31, 2011 4:04 PM GMT
    DallasFan824 says:

    "Its an election year. They are doing it to shore up the base. Its common for either party to do things like this in an election year, even if it has no traction with the general public. Its more a marketing scheme than anything else. "


    or as mocktwinkie tell us:


    "BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT MINORITY BLOCK OF EVANGELICAL ANTI-GAY VOTERS, THE GOP WILL LOSE EVERY TIME."


    WTF'nFFFFF, are you guys thinking?

    It is truly odd that while Gay Republicans can recognize the absolutely nonsensical positions of their party on social issues......

    ,,,,,,and yet.....

    ......They have FAITH that these same DISTORTED ZEALOTS ....

    ....have crystal clear thinking on the subject of Economics.


    I can see that dissolving a few thousand gay marriages will create some new jobs for counselors and moving companies......

    BUT other than those,

    WHAT is the GOP offering?