US Christian university forces staff to declare heterosexuality

  • metta

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    Oct 31, 2011 5:08 PM GMT
    US Christian university forces staff to declare heterosexuality


    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/10/31/us-christian-university-forces-staff-to-declare-heterosexuality/

    Shorter University
    http://www.shorter.edu/



    Gay employees banned at Ga.'s Shorter University
    http://www.thegavoice.com/index.php/news/georgia-news/3648-gay-employees-banned-at-gas-shorter-university#.TqnDtUoNMlA.facebook


    It is time for those that do the hiring to not hire anyone from Shorter University.
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:27 PM GMT
    how the hell do people come up with such moronic nonsense. They're not worthy of the label "university". how anyone can consider such a school a place of higher learning, is ridiculous in itself
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
    Next step for Shorter: Don't Ask, Don't Tell. A compromise...
  • Syphon

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    Oct 31, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
    I'm glad shit like that is illegal here.
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
    Shorter University = unaccredited bible college / degree mill?
    * scoots off to check... *
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
    Thankfully in Europe we have advertising standards...

    Cult practising bigotry in an abandoned KFC cannot bill themselves as a university...
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:41 PM GMT
    Yeah every little podunk bible skool and community college calls itself a "university" these days. It's like a null word.

    I did once hire an intern from "Bob Jones University." On paper, there was no reason not to hire him, other than religious discrimination. As it turns out, he did quite well.
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
    “Anything outside that is not biblical, we do not accept. We have a right to hire only Christians.’


    the biblical model on marriage/relationships is based on 1 man and many women
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:44 PM GMT
    FootballHawk said“Anything outside that is not biblical, we do not accept. We have a right to hire only Christians.’


    the biblical model on marriage/relationships is based on 1 man and many women


    Great point!
  • mizu5

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    Oct 31, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
    Is this legal?

    Can they legally hire only christians?

    In Canada they could not...
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:49 PM GMT

    Accreditation Statement: Shorter University is accredited by the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools to award the associate, baccalaureate, and masters degrees.

    Contact the Commission on Colleges at 1866 Southern Lane, Decatur, Georgia 30033-4097 or call (404) 679-4500 for questions about the accreditation of Shorter University.


    http://www.shorter.edu/about/accreditations.htm

    Perhaps this accrediting body might be interested to know of one of its schools discriminatory policies ...

    ... or that it receives federal student aid monies?

    Any lawyers in the house who could speak to this?
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:51 PM GMT
    FootballHawk said“Anything outside that is not biblical, we do not accept. We have a right to hire only Christians.’


    the biblical model on marriage/relationships is based on 1 man and many women


    So the bible encourages slavery...

    It would be illegal for them to enslave their employees
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:51 PM GMT
    mizu5 saidIs this legal?

    Can they legally hire only christians?

    In Canada they could not...


    Yes, in the US church groups have exemptions from non-discrimination policies to a point. If they receive state aid the state can say they are not immune. Case in point the Methodist Camp Meeting Association in Ocean Grove NJ owns a pavilion on the boardwalk (land the church owns, but considered public-access. They rent it out for weddings, but they refused to rent it to a same-sex (lesbian) couple on the grounds that it would be desecrating a space they use for worship. Their assemblyman pointed out that the Association had accepted $250k in state "Green Acres" funding to rebuild after a hurricane, and in their doing so described the boardwalk and their main building (the Great Auditorium) as "public places" as they are used for concerts and other non-religious activities. That fight has been going on for years. Meanwhile, paradoxically, a large number of LGBT folks lease land from the Association because they own homes there (you can buy a house but you don't actually own the property, much a trailer park). The Association is not too principled to take their money either.

    That said, I'm unsure why a LGBT person would want to work there anyway.
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    Oct 31, 2011 6:59 PM GMT
    njmeanwhile said
    mizu5 saidIs this legal?

    Can they legally hire only christians?

    In Canada they could not...


    Yes, in the US church groups have exemptions from non-discrimination policies to a point. If they receive state aid the state can say they are not immune. Case in point the Methodist Camp Meeting Association in Ocean Grove NJ owns a pavilion on the boardwalk (land the church owns, but considered public-access. They rent it out for weddings, but they refused to rent it to a same-sex (lesbian) couple on the grounds that it would be desecrating a space they use for worship. Their assemblyman pointed out that the Association had accepted $250k in state "Green Acres" funding to rebuild after a hurricane, and in their doing so described the boardwalk and their main building (the Great Auditorium) as "public places" as they are used for concerts and other non-religious activities. That fight has been going on for years. Meanwhile, paradoxically, a large number of LGBT folks lease land from the Association because they own homes there (you can buy a house but you don't actually own the property, much a trailer park). The Association is not too principled to take their money either.

    That said, I'm unsure why a LGBT person would want to work there anyway.


    But it's not a church group... It's billing itself as a college or university. Isn't there a cut off in that exception?

    So you can declare yourself a church based bank or insurance company and be immune from discrimination law also?
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    Oct 31, 2011 7:05 PM GMT
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    njmeanwhile said
    mizu5 saidIs this legal?

    Can they legally hire only christians?

    In Canada they could not...


    Yes, in the US church groups have exemptions from non-discrimination policies to a point. If they receive state aid the state can say they are not immune. Case in point the Methodist Camp Meeting Association in Ocean Grove NJ owns a pavilion on the boardwalk (land the church owns, but considered public-access. They rent it out for weddings, but they refused to rent it to a same-sex (lesbian) couple on the grounds that it would be desecrating a space they use for worship. Their assemblyman pointed out that the Association had accepted $250k in state "Green Acres" funding to rebuild after a hurricane, and in their doing so described the boardwalk and their main building (the Great Auditorium) as "public places" as they are used for concerts and other non-religious activities. That fight has been going on for years. Meanwhile, paradoxically, a large number of LGBT folks lease land from the Association because they own homes there (you can buy a house but you don't actually own the property, much a trailer park). The Association is not too principled to take their money either.

    That said, I'm unsure why a LGBT person would want to work there anyway.


    But it's not a church group... It's billing itself as a college or university. Isn't there a cut off in that exception?

    So you can declare yourself a church based bank or insurance company and be immune from discrimination law also?


    I believe in most states schools are included but things like social agencies (especially if they accept public funds) are not. In fact I believe the Catholic Church has walked away from providing adoption services (which ends up being lucrative for them) in several areas including DC because the District told them they can't discriminate against same-sex couples.
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    Oct 31, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
    As offensive and backassward as I find that statement, it is consistent with their belief system and does not single out homosexuality. I always found it ironic though that Christ vehemently opposed the religious ruling class of his day for defining outward manifestation of piety at the cost of true spirituality. I have no doubt the most heinous of individuals could sign off on that litmus test, yet not have an ounce of love in thier soul.
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    Oct 31, 2011 7:13 PM GMT
    What about a hospital?

    I read 1 in 6 patients admitted to a hospital in the USA are admitted to hospitals founded under catholic orders...

    And that's just Catholicism
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    Oct 31, 2011 7:13 PM GMT
    TriAthInCA saidAs offensive and backassward as I find that statement, it is consistent with their belief system and does not single out homosexuality. I always found it ironic though that Christ vehemently opposed the religious ruling class of his day for defining outward manifestation of piety at the cost of true spirituality. I have no doubt the most heinous of individuals could sign off on that litmus test, yet not have an ounce of love in thier soul.


    +1 and Welcome to my world. I spend a whole lotta time saying, in various ways, "Yes the Bible does say that. But do you know WHY it says that?" People who claim to "love the Bible" but make no effort to understand it or put it into context are exhausting, and Jesus had to deal with them too.
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    Oct 31, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    FootballHawk said“Anything outside that is not biblical, we do not accept. We have a right to hire only Christians.’


    the biblical model on marriage/relationships is based on 1 man and many women


    Whats more Christ himself stated that if a couple were to divorce, they should not remarry. Try selling that in the church today, which has a divorce rate on par with the rest of society.
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    Oct 31, 2011 7:20 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidWhat about a hospital?

    I read 1 in 6 patients admitted to a hospital in the USA are admitted to hospitals founded under catholic orders...

    And that's just Catholicism


    Depends on the jurisdiction, and the order. Religious orders (Benedictines, Jesuits, etc.) tend to be a little more open-minded than diocesan bureaucracy. And -- again -- if the institution accepts public funds they are more likely to be subject to non-discrimination laws if the state has them. I am pretty positive that in NJ we have such a law and religious hospitals were told specifically that they have to comply.
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    Oct 31, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
    What makes me laugh is churches saying that if states pass civil marriage laws they will be forced to marry same-sex couples. Apparently they have never tried to get a second marriage in a Catholic church. The state does not tell anyone acting as its agent that they must accept any couple that approaches, regardless of their own beliefs. Government employees (city clerk, etc.) are another story. Another reason why churches should not be involved in the civil part of marriage at all.
  • commoncoll

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    Oct 31, 2011 7:38 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidWhat about a hospital?

    I read 1 in 6 patients admitted to a hospital in the USA are admitted to hospitals founded under catholic orders...

    And that's just Catholicism

    All but three US hospitals accept aid from MedicAid/Medicare. Any hospital receiving government funding can not refuse emergency services to anyone needing them under EMTALA. Many hospitals that have Catholic origins may not be under Catholic orders anymore. Also, health care seems to be an act of kindness first, and a notion to establish religious exclusivity later.
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    Oct 31, 2011 7:39 PM GMT
    FootballHawk said“Anything outside that is not biblical, we do not accept. We have a right to hire only Christians.’


    the biblical model on marriage/relationships is based on 1 man and many women


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    Oct 31, 2011 7:46 PM GMT
    MsclDrew said
    But it's not a church group... It's billing itself as a college or university. Isn't there a cut off in that exception?

    So you can declare yourself a church based bank or insurance company and be immune from discrimination law also?

    No, there is not cut off. No victim of the policy will be able to provide enough discrimination under the Commerce Clause. Additionally, since the university does not receive public funding, the government can not prohibit them.
  • hebrewman

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    Oct 31, 2011 7:47 PM GMT
    mizu5 saidIs this legal?

    Can they legally hire only christians?

    In Canada they could not...


    sad but true my canadian friend. then again, have you been watching what's going on south of you? total nonsense. sometimes i'm the usa can be a crazy place sometimes. and not in a good way.