How much, is too much?

  • Pepsic0la

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    Nov 01, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    I had an argument with a friend yesterday over protein intake. Im trying to get bigger, so i take a mass gainer that contains 195g of protein once a day (as instructed). From my research at RJ,, i know i need 1.5g for every pound of bodyweight to gain. So far Ive been making great gains.

    His argument was that anything over 50g is a waste and will be crapped out. I told him i have the metabolism of a jack-rabbit. I can drink that calorie loaded protein shake, and be starving again in 1 1/2 hours.

    So who's right, him or i? And if he is, why does the directions say 1-2 servings a day, when 1 serving itself is 195g of protein?
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    Nov 01, 2011 4:12 PM GMT
    Pepsic0la saidI had an argument with a friend yesterday over protein intake. Im trying to get bigger, so i take a mass gainer that contains 195g of protein once a day (as instructed). From my research at RJ,, i know i need 1.5g for every pound of bodyweight to gain. So far Ive been making great gains.

    His argument was that anything over 50g is a waste and will be crapped out. I told him i have the metabolism of a jack-rabbit. I can drink that calorie loaded protein shake, and be starving again in 1 1/2 hours.

    So who's right, him or i? And if he is, why does the directions say 1-2 servings a day, when 1 serving itself is 195g of protein?


    For the same reason shampoo bottles say rinse and repeat.. they can sell you another bottle twice as fast.

    There is truth to what the BF says.. only so much protein can be metabolized in a given period. How much per person varies. You have to include all the other sources of protein you're taking in daily along with the protein powder.
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    Nov 01, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
    Well if my body can't digest it, why am i not crapping it out?

    Only thing i do notice though since i upped to 195g is horrible night sweats. I didn't know what caused this at first, but I'm starting to think its my body working its ass off trying to digest at night. What do you think?
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    Nov 01, 2011 5:05 PM GMT
    He's wrong. The conventional wisdom for gaining is 0.8-1 gram of protein to pound of bodyweight for gaining. Really what I'd recommend is eating for your target bodyweight. Do the 0.8-1 math for whatever it is you would like to weigh.
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    Nov 01, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
    HOLY CRAP! Well, I guess in context 'Proteiny Crap!', what mass gainer has 195g of protein in 1 scoop?
  • tongun18

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    Nov 01, 2011 6:51 PM GMT
    you're body cannot process more than 40 grams of protein at once and there is no mechanism for storing protein. you either use it or your body gets rid of it.

    the total sum of protein you should be taking daily (for whatever goal) needs to be taken throughout the day, not in one or two massive amounts like that.

    he's right (almost) anything over 40g gets pissed out (not crapped out), your kidneys are responsible for removing excessive protein from your system not your colon.

    EDIT: you need to be careful about taking in so much protein at once, you can really put a strain on your kidney' that way. if possible, you should speak with doctor about the night sweats.
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    Nov 01, 2011 6:54 PM GMT
    Larkin_PLR saidHe's wrong. The conventional wisdom for gaining is 0.8-1 gram of protein to pound of bodyweight for gaining. Really what I'd recommend is eating for your target bodyweight. Do the 0.8-1 math for whatever it is you would like to weigh.



    That's over the course of a day. Best to not take it all at once, but spread out over several meals during the day.

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    Nov 01, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
    tongun18 saidhe's right (almost) anything over 40g gets pissed out (not crapped out), your kidneys are responsible for removing excessive protein from your system not your colon.


    Yeah, and taking in that much protein on a daily basis can be really hard on your kidneys too, especially if you're taking other supplements. I was consuming much less than 195g on a daily basis, and my doc had me stop the protein shakes because my kidneys just couldn't handle the excess protein. I'd be careful not to overdo it. Focus on what you're eating and how you're working out, and less on supplements.
  • Pepsic0la

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    Nov 01, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
    No, 3 scoops equal 195g.

    I did think it was excessive taking that much at once - Ill split it up around the day now. Thanks!
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    Nov 01, 2011 7:14 PM GMT
    it really depends on your body size of how much protein your body can intake. the average person can intake around 35-50 grams per serving. taking 195 g at once is crazy. i would just split it up. 50 when you wake up, lunch, afternoon, and before bed.
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    Wow, 3 scoops = 195 grams of protein? What brand is this? I take MassTech which has one of the highest concentrations of whey protein in the market, and I need 3 scoops to get 70 grams.
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    Pepsic0la saidI had an argument with a friend yesterday over protein intake. Im trying to get bigger, so i take a mass gainer that contains 195g of protein once a day (as instructed). From my research at RJ,, i know i need 1.5g for every pound of bodyweight to gain. So far Ive been making great gains.

    His argument was that anything over 50g is a waste and will be crapped out. I told him i have the metabolism of a jack-rabbit. I can drink that calorie loaded protein shake, and be starving again in 1 1/2 hours.

    So who's right, him or i? And if he is, why does the directions say 1-2 servings a day, when 1 serving itself is 195g of protein?

    The hodge twins on youtube actually did an experiment on this. I think one twin took less than his body weight in grams of protein and the other twin took double his body weight in grams of protein. Both of them did the same exercises in the gym snd both of them ended up getting the same results. I actually think it's probably bs as well because the supplement industry is obviously going to tell you to take more than what's really needed so people will buy more of it.
  • Pepsic0la

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    Nov 01, 2011 8:54 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidWow, 3 scoops = 195 grams of protein? What brand is this? I take MassTech which has one of the highest concentrations of whey protein in the market, and I need 3 scoops to get 70 grams.


    You know i wish i could figure out how to post a pic on here because after rereading the nutritional info I'm confused now icon_question.gif
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
    I use huge amounts of protein and I use every bit of it. Others I know cannot digest that much. I have determined that it is genetic.... you either can or cannot process that much protein. Experiment with it and see what happens. (If you are making gains... why mess with it?)
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    The brand is GNC'S Mass XXX.

    The front says-
    [b]Provides 66 grams of quality Protein

    The back says-
    Serving Size: Four lever scoops (195g)

    and under carbs, potassium, etc it says-
    Protein 50g

    Directions:Mix 4 level scoops (195g) with 16 ounces of water or milk**. Consume 1-2 servings daily.

    Im confused now


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    Nov 01, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    the four scoops has 195g of supplement powder

    195g of supplement powder has 50g of protein in it.
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    Nov 01, 2011 9:35 PM GMT
    Larkin_PLR saidHe's wrong. The conventional wisdom for gaining is 0.8-1 gram of protein to pound of bodyweight for gaining. Really what I'd recommend is eating for your target bodyweight. Do the 0.8-1 math for whatever it is you would like to weigh.


    100% correct... seems to work for you and me icon_twisted.gif
  • Pepsic0la

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    Nov 01, 2011 11:00 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidthe four scoops has 195g of supplement powder

    195g of supplement powder has 50g of protein in it.


    Well now i feel like a complete dumb*ss. Thanks for clearing that up. Im still a newb icon_sad.gif
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    Nov 01, 2011 11:41 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidthe four scoops has 195g of supplement powder

    195g of supplement powder has 50g of protein in it.



    That's a lot o scoops to get 50g. Must be plenty of filler in there.