Shorter University in Ga. requires employees to sign pledge saying they are not gay

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    Nov 01, 2011 5:52 PM GMT
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    Phillip CaulfieldA Georgia university is requiring its employees to sign a statement saying they are not gay or else risk getting fired, according to local reports.

    Shorter University, a Christian Baptist university in Rome, Ga., sent the new "personal lifestyle pledge" to its 200 employees on Oct. 26, Atlanta's WSBTV television reported.

    Employees who sign the pledge promise to reject homosexuality, as well as premarital sex, adultery and other behavior the school says violates the Bible's teaching.

    Don Dowless, the school's president, told WSBTV that teachers and administrators who don't sign the pledge could lose their jobs.

    "I think that anybody that adheres to a lifestyle outside of what the biblical mandate is would not be allowed to continue here," Dowless told the station.

    The statement also bans drug use, drinking alcohol in the presence of students and requires employees to be active in local churches.

    One employee told the Georgia Voice newspaper that the pledge has some fearing "witch hunts" on campus.

    "We now will live in fear that someone who doesn't like us personally or someone who has had a bad day will report that we've been drinking or that we are suspected of being gay," the employee, who didn t give his name, told the Voice, an LBGT-oriented paper in Atlanta.

    That employee told the Voice that students weren't happy about the pledge.

    Another unidentified student told WSBTV that he understood where the "[the administration] was coming from."

    Students do not need to sign the pledge.

    Dowless said the school has a right to hire whomever they want.

    "Anything that is not biblical, we do not accept," he told WSBTV.
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    Nov 01, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
    Can't the school be sued for not abiding by the law? Where is the Ministry of Labor and Human Rights Commission?
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    Nov 01, 2011 6:14 PM GMT
    ricky1987 saidCan't the school be sued for not abiding by the law? Where is the Ministry of Labor and Human Rights Commission?


    that sounds very Big Government, and socialist. The government shouldn´t be able to make anyone do anything! If you want to harm people you should have the Freedom to do it. That´s what America is all about

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    Nov 01, 2011 6:21 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    ricky1987 saidCan't the school be sued for not abiding by the law? Where is the Ministry of Labor and Human Rights Commission?


    that sounds very Big Government, and socialist. The government shouldn´t be able to make anyone do anything! If you want to harm people you should have the Freedom to do it. That´s what America is all about




    Well I could be wrong because I live in Canada but apparently it appears to me that this school is run by a bunch of douche bags. I am sure there must be some privacy laws that can be intervened in this matter.
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    Nov 01, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorter_University

    Student population:

    Undergraduates 3,073

    My nephew's high school is larger.

    Not that vigilance shouldn't be eternal, but as to the relative relevance of this issue:

    with the US having 300,000,000 people, it effects 0.001% of that population and even then only among those who voluntarily choose to go there.

    with the world population at 7,000,000,000, it effects 0.000043%.

    What's the name of that university? Shorter?
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:34 PM GMT
    It's a business. People can choose to, or choose not to, spend money there. I doubt they changed from a liberal free-thinking academic environment overnight. I would be curious to know, however, what prompted this move.
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
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    Dowless said the school has a right to hire whomever they want.

    "Anything that is not biblical, we do not accept," he told WSBTV.


    Must male employees have multiple wives as well?
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
    Replace "gay" with "black" and see how you feel about it.

    That is why nondiscrimination laws are for everybody.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    Oral Roberts University does the same thing. It doesn't really matter, does it? If you don't agree with it, don't go there. It's the same thing with gay marriage... if you don't like it, don't get married to someone of the same sex. But passing laws limiting an individual's freedom isn't the answer. We need fewer laws of every kind, not more. We're already on the brink of fascism. No need to hurry it along with more laws.
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    Nov 01, 2011 8:49 PM GMT
    turbobilly said
    swmrh911 said

    Dowless said the school has a right to hire whomever they want.

    "Anything that is not biblical, we do not accept," he told WSBTV.


    Must male employees have multiple wives as well?


    Don't forget the shellfish ban--everybody needs to sign a pledge that they haven't eaten any or will eat any.icon_lol.gif

    And football, round haircuts, tattoos, and wearing gold.
    http://www.11points.com/books/11_things_the_bible_bans,_but_you_do_anyway
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    Nov 01, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    This is a place to avoid - and who among us would even want to work there? What a miserable place for a child to go. Let them do as they please, there's no way anyone I know would have anything to do with them. Can you imagine what kind of crap they would be pumping into the heads of children? icon_evil.gif
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    Nov 01, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
    Sounds like they need to change their name from Shorter University to Straighter University.
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    Nov 01, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
    abm1985 saidOral Roberts University does the same thing. It doesn't really matter, does it? If you don't agree with it, don't go there. It's the same thing with gay marriage... if you don't like it, don't get married to someone of the same sex. But passing laws limiting an individual's freedom isn't the answer. We need fewer laws of every kind, not more. We're already on the brink of fascism. No need to hurry it along with more laws.


    Funny, I thought oral was a sin icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 01, 2011 10:56 PM GMT
    abm1985 saidOral Roberts University does the same thing. It doesn't really matter, does it? If you don't agree with it, don't go there. It's the same thing with gay marriage... if you don't like it, don't get married to someone of the same sex. But passing laws limiting an individual's freedom isn't the answer. We need fewer laws of every kind, not more. We're already on the brink of fascism. No need to hurry it along with more laws.


    You know I agree with you to some extent. Over regulation has allowed the lazy to become lazier, the stupid more stupid, and the worrywarts to find more shit to interfere with, BUT if it is my civil rights that are being jeopardized, even if it is indirectly, then I don't mind some legislation being passed to protect my rights.
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    Nov 01, 2011 11:42 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidReplace "gay" with "black" and see how you feel about it.

    That is why nondiscrimination laws are for everybody.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act


    I don't feel good about it either way, black or gay, just like I feel terrible about a lot of things people say which I consider to be stupid. But I defend their right to say it.

    I'd quickly argue antidiscrimination were we a protected class (which of course I think we ought to be) and were the school taking public money. But can we strip the institution's privacy rights while arguing a violation of the privacy of its employees?

    How will antidiscimination in employment coincide with religious liberty and with freedom of association? Will the Catholic church have to hire gay rights activists to the position of biship because they shouldn't discriminate?

    Would I be forced by law to be nondiscriminatory if I take in a housemate to my home? I don't get to pick who I might want to associate with?

    Is there no tolerence for intolerance?

    http://www.museumoftolerance.com
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    Nov 01, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
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    I'd quickly argue antidiscrimination were we a protected class (which of course I think we ought to be) and were the school taking public money. But can we strip the institution's privacy rights while arguing a violation of the privacy of its employees?

    How will antidiscimination in employment coincide with religious liberty and with freedom of association? Will the Catholic church have to hire gay rights activists to the position of biship because they shouldn't discriminate?

    Would I be forced by law to be nondiscriminatory if I take in a housemate to my home? I don't get to pick who I might want to associate with?


    We're talking about employment here. Not being bishop, housemate or lover.

    Does an institution have privacy rights similar to those of individuals? Any lawyers here?

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    Nov 02, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    What the fuck. It's seriously annoying, and the close-mindedness just irks me.
    I don't have anything further to add.
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    Nov 02, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    The lifestyle statement was adopted by the Board of Trustees Oct. 21 and presented to employees on Oct. 24. It includes the pledge that "I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible, including, but not limited to, premarital sex, adultery and homosexuality."

    Solomon had 500 wives.
    Rape victims are required to marry their attacker.
    A woman whose husband dies before she bears him a child is required to get pregnant by his brother.

    These are a few types of sexual activity approved by the Bible.
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    Nov 02, 2011 12:18 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    theantijock said
    I'd quickly argue antidiscrimination were we a protected class (which of course I think we ought to be) and were the school taking public money. But can we strip the institution's privacy rights while arguing a violation of the privacy of its employees?

    How will antidiscimination in employment coincide with religious liberty and with freedom of association? Will the Catholic church have to hire gay rights activists to the position of biship because they shouldn't discriminate?

    Would I be forced by law to be nondiscriminatory if I take in a housemate to my home? I don't get to pick who I might want to associate with?


    We're talking about employment here. Not being bishop, housemate or lover.

    Does an institution have privacy rights similar to those of individuals? Any lawyers here?



    http://www.hrhero.com/topics/title7.html

    Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Title VII

    Title VII, the federal law that prohibits most workplace harassment and discrimination, covers all private employers, state and local governments, and educational institutions with 15 or more employees. In addition to prohibiting discrimination against workers because of race, color, national origin, religion, and sex, those protections have been extended to include barring against discrimination on the basis of pregnancy, sex stereotyping, and sexual harassment of employees.

    Currently, Title VII doesn't include discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.However federal legislation adding sexual orientation as a protected class against discrimination (the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA)), has been proposed in recent years. Many states have employment discrimination and harassment laws as well and may include even more protected classes – such as marital status and sexual orientation – than Title VII covers.


    By that it looks like if ENDA goes thru, then we are protected. Being a bishop is not a job? Would the local KKK recruiting office be forced to hire Blacks, Jews and Gays?
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    Nov 02, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    Is there such a thing as an Atheist University where everyone is forced to sign a pledge stating their lack of believe in any God.
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    Nov 02, 2011 12:33 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidReplace "gay" with "black" and see how you feel about it.

    That is why nondiscrimination laws are for everybody.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act


    ENDA only protects civilian, nonreligious employers.

    This is a private christian institution.. and unless Georgia has a specific statute for discrimination based on LGBT protection (can you see me laughing?) they can have this practice.
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    Nov 02, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
    charlitos saidIs there such a thing as an Atheist University where everyone is forced to sign a pledge stating their lack of believe in any God.


    Many atheists are strong enough in their non-belief that they see no need to constantly reinforce it.

    Faith, on the other hand, is often very fragile.
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    Nov 02, 2011 12:50 AM GMT
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    charlitos saidIs there such a thing as an Atheist University where everyone is forced to sign a pledge stating their lack of believe in any God.


    Many atheists are strong enough in their non-belief that they see no need to constantly reinforce it.

    Faith, on the other hand, is often very fragile.


    I agree icon_smile.gif

    Personally I see Aethists as regular people consistenly looking for a better answer. Religion is just an organization looking for no answers beyond their comfort zone.

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    Nov 02, 2011 12:59 AM GMT
    theantijock said Being a bishop is not a job? Would the local KKK recruiting office be forced to hire Blacks, Jews and Gays?


    If my Catholicism is correct, being clergy puts you in a special class (as opposed to the lay class). It's a function of the person, not a job per se. There are different positions in the clergy, but I wouldn't call that a job. (The worldly remuneration of being clergy is separate from their function).

    In any case, discriminatory laws don't apply to religious organizations. Shorter University is not hiring as a religious organization for religious positions. (Unless their janitors are somehow acting in a spiritual fashion).

    As for KKK and other "social groups" I don't think the EEOC has jurisdiction, since, again, no employment is implied here. If the group is contracting with external groups like lawyers and accountants, there's no "employment."
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    Nov 02, 2011 2:29 AM GMT
    Trollileo said
    charlitos said
    intentsman said
    charlitos saidIs there such a thing as an Atheist University where everyone is forced to sign a pledge stating their lack of believe in any God.


    Many atheists are strong enough in their non-belief that they see no need to constantly reinforce it.

    Faith, on the other hand, is often very fragile.


    I agree icon_smile.gif

    Personally I see Aethists as regular people consistenly looking for a better answer. Religion is just an organization looking for no answers beyond their comfort zone.

    Which is why I abandoned it. The only denomination I feel like I can prescribe to is Presbyterian, because they've been the most logical and open minded thinkers I've ever met and I grew up around them.


    or may be Unitarian? Just throwing an option there.