Anyone Ever Thought About Joining A Religious Order?

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    Nov 02, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    This is not a discussion about whether or not god exists, or which religious dogma is true or not... But I've had an attraction to religious orders for a long time... notably monkhood and shamanism... Being disillusioned with the Catholic church, its history, and most religions' involvement in wars n the world, I kinda left the idea of priesthood of any kind to one side... however its never completely left me.... I was wondering... has anyone here ever thought about joining their religious order? I dont care what religion.. I dont believe any one religion is true... the point is if you have that attraction to the spiritual leadership of it...

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    Nov 02, 2011 7:58 PM GMT
    yes I've been wanting to become a curandero pretty much a witch doctor but without all the evil curse stuff
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    Nov 02, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    ^ you mean like a shaman? In what culture do they have curanderos? I know of voodoo practitioners in the Caribbean.. but mostly they have a bad name for black magic..
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    Nov 03, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    If I had to join one, it would be Buddhism.
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    Nov 03, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said^ you mean like a shaman? In what culture do they have curanderos? I know of voodoo practitioners in the Caribbean.. but mostly they have a bad name for black magic..



    They are most prominent in mexico and latin america but can also be found in cities with high hispanic population
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    Nov 04, 2011 1:39 PM GMT
    ^Really? What do tehy do exactly...? Ive never heard of it... and how do you join?
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    Nov 04, 2011 1:40 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidIf I had to join one, it would be Buddhism.


    I had thought of that one as well.. but after living in Asia for almost a year I decided against it.. nothing wrong with it.. but it is very similar to Catholic monkhood/priesthood in many ways
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    Nov 04, 2011 8:34 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said^Really? What do tehy do exactly...? Ive never heard of it... and how do you join?

    They practice herbal medicine and believe eveything has a living spirit so before they cut a plant for use they thank the plant for whatever use it has
    They also can use curses and stuff but there is an order whatever is done will return to you and if you break somone elses curse there could be a backlash to the curandero and the person who hired them joining is easy you just need to find a somone who practices it and become their aprentice
    One of my favorite books (bless me ultima by rudolfo anaya) is a coming of age story about a boy and the time he spent with a curandera they actually explain some of the rituals in this book
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    Nov 05, 2011 4:19 AM GMT
    ^that does sound familiar... most non-medical healers here have the same kinds of things with plants... I was always taught to do the same... do some also do stuff like read the future through cigars/tobacco, like they do in Europe with coffee?
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    Nov 05, 2011 4:29 AM GMT
    Some claim to be able to see the future but usually its through animals
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    Nov 06, 2011 6:05 AM GMT
    ^ Ive heard they do that in Africa.. they read the entrails of animals.. its not really a claim rather than a belief in a certain art form.. like palmistry
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    Nov 06, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
    Its similar to this but more they look for abnormal gatherings of animals or listen to calls my father told me that there is a bird that if you here make a call it will soon rain I figured out its the peacock
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    Nov 06, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    O well thats more folklore though... like here if we see a certain species of night butterfly in the house, someone we know is about to pass on... it happened once to me, I think twice, cant remember, that I knew someone in hospital for months who was getting worse and worse...then I saw the butterfly.. two weeks later, that person passed on..

    Others are fireflies.... when you see them in the house, they say it means travel...

    But when I mean reading the future, I mean like when you lay Tarot cards, or cast coins... I dont know what its called, but most cultures have different ones. I know some people here who look at the burning of tobacco to do it... That I think might be very Caribbean.. as tobacco was like a holy plant in the islands.. and I think they could cast seashells also
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    Nov 07, 2011 3:05 AM GMT
    Ok I see what your saying well as I've heard the do practice augury divining through birds and I think its fairly legit I try using it but when I'm right I take it as coincidence I'm supersticious but also a skeptic
  • Bowyn_Aerrow

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    Nov 08, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
    I have a Doctorate of Ministry, not the same thing as a D of Theology. icon_lol.gif

    I seriously considered joining the Franciscan Friars Order for a long time in my youth. However a few years of seminary cured me of 'blind faith' and opened my eyes to a lot of stuff that.... well... changed my mind.

    Through comparative religious studies and the ministry thing I pretty much decided that yes there is a God, but like men in my life, I was looking in all the wrong places.

    Many are called.....
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    Nov 08, 2011 9:48 PM GMT
    I love St francis.. he was my personal saint for me as a kid.. and I did think of that order myself.. October 4th is still one of my most personal cherished days in his honour
  • Delivis

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    Nov 09, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    I played a shaman in world of warcraft. It was a lot of fun. It is easy to join, but you do have to pay for a monthly subscription.
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    Nov 13, 2011 4:10 AM GMT
    I`ve always had an interest in the Franciscans, after St. Francis of Assisi.

    It`s difficult to explain as I wasn`t raised as a Roman Catholic and would consider myself an atheist!

    Maybe it`s the sheer beauty of his story.
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    Hi Greenhopper. Yes, I'm beginning the discernment process to possibly become an Episcopal priest. It's an interesting process--I am not sure I am up to the task of becoming a priest, but at the end of the day it's not really something one decides to do.

    Have you ever looked at the Episcopal church? We surely have our faults, but I can tell you this: I've never run into any issues at all around sexual orientation. At least for those of us who have stayed following the recent schisms in the church, being gay is a big yawner.

    I'm happy to talk with you if you'd like to learn more about any of these topics, including my own sometimes bumpy faith journey.
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    Dec 13, 2011 10:00 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    paulflexes saidIf I had to join one, it would be Buddhism.


    I had thought of that one as well.. but after living in Asia for almost a year I decided against it.. nothing wrong with it.. but it is very similar to Catholic monkhood/priesthood in many ways



    That's probably a decent indication that you shouldn't join any order, regardless of faith.

    Monkhood means seclusion, 99% of the time; celibacy, etc...
    the "religious order" is the issue here. Most priesthoods are based on hierarchies and domination.

    The other guy kind of had a truism about Buddhism, it's certainly much less S&M.

    The ideal of the Shaman, on the other hand is something opposite of the 'religious order'
    Basically, you are a spiritual leader....usually of variant sexuality or possessing some physical abnormality. There is no hierarchy (ie...no one tell you what or how to pray)

    http://haatnath.jimdo.com/linx-artikulz/

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    Dec 16, 2011 5:24 PM GMT
    The6Degrees said
    GreenHopper said
    paulflexes saidIf I had to join one, it would be Buddhism.


    I had thought of that one as well.. but after living in Asia for almost a year I decided against it.. nothing wrong with it.. but it is very similar to Catholic monkhood/priesthood in many ways



    That's probably a decent indication that you shouldn't join any order, regardless of faith.

    Monkhood means seclusion, 99% of the time; celibacy, etc...
    the "religious order" is the issue here. Most priesthoods are based on hierarchies and domination.

    The other guy kind of had a truism about Buddhism, it's certainly much less S&M.

    The ideal of the Shaman, on the other hand is something opposite of the 'religious order'
    Basically, you are a spiritual leader....usually of variant sexuality or possessing some physical abnormality. There is no hierarchy (ie...no one tell you what or how to pray)

    http://haatnath.jimdo.com/linx-artikulz/



    The problem is, that actually not true.. I believe an idealised view of shamanism that has taken hold in the western world in response to its indignation with the current religious orders... shamans in tribal cultures are both highly respected and highly feared.. they are considered very powerful and can cause either miraculous things to happen or disastrous things in their community.. their prayers and activities are highly ritualised.. with a complex array of ceremonies and taboos which must at all times be adhered to, and have been laid down by the gods, by ancestors,

    In fact, Judaism is a perfect example... even though it has swelled into a current religion, they are a tribal religion 100%.. with all the rules and regulations for men/women, dress, food, sex, and religious services firmly in place.. so it is with shamans who spend tens upon tens of years having to learn the stories, spells and ceremonies and must adhere to the rules of the tribe.... there is no real difference.. the main difference lies in their faith, which is not a universal one, but inherent to their tribal identitiy, in the exact same way that a jew will be a member of the "chosen people" towards the jewish g-d... but that membership does not in any way extend to people outside of that religion.... the Christian god by its very definition, nor the muslim god, have anything to do with the Jewish g-d... they are based on comletely different views of the human-g-d relationship.. and this is why religions will never fully agree... they are meant to define a cultural/tribal identity.. and by doing so, they will always divide them... to each tribe there will be their own gods... adn each tribe must stick to its own rulings.... so was I believe Nebechudnezzar insensed when teh hebrews began worshipping gods of other tribes.. not because they were devils, but because each tribe had its own g-d/gods which could not be mixed with others... this was taboo... mixing was, and still is among tribes... a great taboo....
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    Dec 16, 2011 11:55 PM GMT
    [quote] the Christian god by its very definition, nor the muslim god, have anything to do with the Jewish g-d...[/quote]



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Semitic_religion

    Please refer to the early Semite god "Il" and the adjoining etymology before saying ignorant things like this.
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    Dec 17, 2011 10:24 AM GMT
    Wow, after reading al I wrote you still think I am ignorant? After your ignorant remark about shamans in tribal religions?

    Leave my thread then mate... I have no time for the likes of you!