Penn State Case Getting Worse? New Report Describes Rumor Sandusky's Foundation Pimped Out Young Boys to Wealthy Donors

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    Nov 05, 2011 10:23 PM GMT
    Penn State assistant coach charged with abusing boys
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    Ugh. Dad and sis are alums. Sorry to see this and hope the victims are okay.
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    Nov 05, 2011 10:25 PM GMT
    OPSandusky, who coached for 23 years and was once considered a likely successor to Paterno, was also charged with aggravated indecent assault, eight counts of corruption of minors, four counts of unlawful contact with a minor stemming from a selection of the children Sandusky targeted from 1994 to 2009.


    So that's why Joe Pa can't retire. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 06, 2011 4:42 AM GMT
    Never understood why Sandusky departed in 1999.
    Thought maybe cause he figured Joe Pa would never retire.

    The accusations here are from 2002 and 2000, along with another incident in 1998.
    Which makes one wonder who knew what and when.

    From what I've read, Joe Pa was told of a 2002 shower incident by a graduate assistant and reported it to his superiors.
    Who merely forbade Sandusky to bring boys (from his foundation) on campus.

    From the NY Times: Two top university officials — Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business, and Tim Curley, the athletic director — were charged Saturday with perjury and failure to report to authorities what they knew of the allegations, as required by state law.



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    Nov 06, 2011 6:20 PM GMT
    8 boys over a decade were raped by this 50 year old "nice guy" who "gave money to charity". Ages 8-10. At least 2 witnesses walked in on the rapes and didn't call the cops and the rest of them covered it up. Oh they were just "horsing around". Really? You call sticking your dick up a 10 year old "horsing around"?

    PSU knew about these vulnerable kids and did nothing. Just told Sandusky just not to bring them on campus anymore. Why didn't Paterno call the police? I'm glad the heat is getting turned up nationally on this.

    Here is the grand jury document. I couldn't read it all because of how disgusting it was.

    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
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    Nov 06, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    Brownale said8 boys over a decade were raped by this 50 year old "nice guy" who "gave money to charity". Ages 8-10. At least 2 witnesses walked in on the rapes and didn't call the cops and the rest of them covered it up. Oh they were just "horsing around". Really? You call sticking your dick up a 10 year old "horsing around"?

    PSU knew about these vulnerable kids and did nothing. Just told Sandusky just not to bring them on campus anymore. Why didn't Paterno call the police? I'm glad the heat is getting turned up nationally on this.

    Here is the grand jury document. I couldn't read it all because of how disgusting it was.

    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf


    yep, this was 2 much 4 me 2 read. i just can't stop wondering why no one did anything 2 stop the crimes even after they knew about it?
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    Nov 06, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
    Joe did what he could and followed protocol he is not at fault here- why it was hushed up by the upper echelon members of the PSU Administration is truly the issue
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    Nov 06, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
    graniteknighte saidJoe did what he could and followed protocol he is not at fault here- why it was hushed up by the upper echelon members of the PSU Administration is truly the issue


    "Joe" should have called the police. rape is a crime.
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    Nov 06, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
    Under Pennsylvania law, does that make Paterno an accessory after the fact?

    On the other hand, I believe the Grand Jury did NOT indict Paterno, just the higher-ups in the administration.

    Sandusky is married with children.
    Not sure if he's gay, bi or just a sexual predator/pedophile.
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    Nov 06, 2011 6:47 PM GMT
    They are .............................

    And they have tarnished the Happy Valley brand forever. Especially the poor victims for the rest of their lives.
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    Nov 06, 2011 6:51 PM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidUnder Pennsylvania law, does that make Paterno an accessory after the fact?

    On the other hand, I believe the Grand Jury did NOT indict Paterno, just the higher-ups in the administration.

    Sandusky is married with children.
    Not sure if he's gay, bi or just a sexual predator/pedophile.


    He can be straight for all I care and still be a sexual predator, one of the worst kind of scum there is around. Also, rape has been widely established to be more about power and dominance than sexual gratification. I feel sorry for his children who will have to look at their father knowing he did such a vile thing.
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    Nov 06, 2011 7:49 PM GMT
    Brownale saidHere is the grand jury document. I couldn't read it all because of how disgusting it was.

    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

    I read through it.

    Anal intercourse comes up with Victim 2, the case that was reported by the Graduate Assistant to Paterno and the higher ups.
    The higher ups claimed they were only told of "horsing around".
    The Grand Jury found portions of their testimony "not credible".
    The report is silent about Paterno's testimony in this regard.
    Did he confirm that the graduate assistant reported penetration?
    Does he confirm that this was passed on to the higher ups?

    I have to guess that he did, but why then isn't this stated?
    Otherwise it is the assistant's word against that of the higher ups.
    And none of the other 7 cases involve anal penetration.
    (I think 2 involved oral sex, the rest inappropriate touching.)

    One other shortcoming in the document is that it tells us (top of page 16) that "The Penn State football program relocated to Lasch Football Building in 1999 and that facility had a sauna." I gathered from this that the older facility did not have a sauna. Yet a page later: "sometime during 1996-1998... [in] the East Area Locker rooms... Sandusky took him into the sauna."

    It's not just a question if someone's memory is off by a year (or 3), the date is confirmed by the building. But if it didn't have a sauna, that testimony would be problematic.

    From the document, I also learned that (at least some) of Sandusky's children are adopted.

    Lastly, his wife appears to remain loyal. Victim 7 testified that shortly before he was to appear before the Grand Jury, he received calls from her (in adddition to from Sandusky and another friend). He did not take or return the calls.
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    Nov 06, 2011 7:51 PM GMT
    this is why i went to bum-fuck UNO, lol. Not enough money or special people around here to warrant covering up a scandal, heheheh...of course, then again there's enough dirt on the floor of my Spanish classroom to plant a vegetable garden.
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    Nov 07, 2011 7:56 PM GMT
    I coached high school sports and this is a conundrum for me in a lot of ways. For starters, I have a massive amount of respect for JoePa and the way he's run his program over the decades. As a high school teacher, I was required by law to report any suspected abuse. I was supposed to report that abuse to my principal. It would appear that Paterno did just that -- once he learned of the abuse he reported it to his boss immediately. It would appear that his boss failed to report it. This is where I start to have problems....On the one hand, I would assume my superiors were handling things properly if I had brought something to their attention. What responsibility do you have to follow up once you've done what you're required to do and report it? Should Paterno have gone to the police instead?
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    Nov 07, 2011 8:07 PM GMT
    I bet his married wiht children... I blame society
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    Nov 07, 2011 8:55 PM GMT
    irishkcguy saidI coached high school sports and this is a conundrum for me in a lot of ways. For starters, I have a massive amount of respect for JoePa and the way he's run his program over the decades. As a high school teacher, I was required by law to report any suspected abuse. I was supposed to report that abuse to my principal. It would appear that Paterno did just that -- once he learned of the abuse he reported it to his boss immediately. It would appear that his boss failed to report it. This is where I start to have problems....On the one hand, I would assume my superiors were handling things properly if I had brought something to their attention. What responsibility do you have to follow up once you've done what you're required to do and report it? Should Paterno have gone to the police instead?


    This is correct, once it was reported to the higher ups (which is what he should have done) it is now out of his hand and the liability goes to the hire ups. I mean, there is only so much one can do. I suppose he could have called the police, but eh, his principle should have done so.
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    Nov 07, 2011 9:37 PM GMT
    It appears that under the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, the supervisor to whom it was reported should "report or cause a report to be issued" which is why the GJ did not charge Paterno. In addition, he did not lie under oath as the two officials that were indicted apparently did.

    could he have pestered his boss about it later when he didn't see anything change? Sure. I also think that Spanier, the president of the university, could have done more. All they did was push the problem away so it wasn't occurring on PSU land. Nobody sought to find out who the victims were and how they were affected. They were more worried about the distraught janitor than the 13 y.o. kid.
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    Nov 08, 2011 6:39 AM GMT
    ESPN reports:
    Penn State athletic director Tim Curley requested to be placed on administrative leave so he could devote the time needed to defend himself against perjury and other charges, university president Graham Spanier said. Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business, will step down and go back into retirement, Spanier said.

    While it is true that JoePa did what was required (reporting to his superiors), unlike irishkcguy (with all due respect), he's not just another teacher/coach at some school. He's practically the institution. He passed the buck and forgot about it.

    There are already calls for him to resign, too.

    Should he?
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    Nov 08, 2011 10:43 AM GMT
    Joe Paterno should not and will not resign from the Pennsylvania State University- he did his due diligence by informing his higher ups(as any person would do) but the higher ups just covered it up- once Joe did "his bit" then his responsibility is nil. He did his job, it's not his fault nothing was made of the situation. I have to laugh at all the people crucifying him when 99% of everyone would follow the same policies, we are almost trained just to let someone else handle it, and so he informed his superiors there was an issue, problem solved.
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    Nov 08, 2011 11:05 AM GMT
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    While it is true that JoePa did what was required (reporting to his superiors), unlike irishkcguy (with all due respect), he's not just another teacher/coach at some school. He's practically the institution. He passed the buck and forgot about it.

    There are already calls for him to resign, too.

    Should he?


    The continued presence of JoePa on the sideline, or up in the press box sans headphones, is a disgrace and a distraction to the men playing on the field who are completely innocent in this crime (of not reporting the abuse.)

    On the part of everyone at PSU, including JoePa, this is nothing less than evil, stupidity, and blindness. Out with all those involved.
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    Nov 08, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
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    Caesarea4 said

    While it is true that JoePa did what was required (reporting to his superiors), unlike irishkcguy (with all due respect), he's not just another teacher/coach at some school. He's practically the institution. He passed the buck and forgot about it.

    There are already calls for him to resign, too.

    Should he?


    The continued presence of JoePa on the sideline, or up in the press box sans headphones, is a disgrace and a distraction to the men playing on the field who are completely innocent in this crime (of not reporting the abuse.)

    On the part of everyone at PSU, including JoePa, this is nothing less than evil, stupidity, and blindness. Out with all those involved.


    Thank God then that JoePa was not involved
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    Nov 08, 2011 1:25 PM GMT
    This is the final straw for Joe; there is no way he can explain this.

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    Nov 08, 2011 1:54 PM GMT
    graniteknighte saidJoe Paterno should not and will not resign from the Pennsylvania State University- he did his due diligence by informing his higher ups(as any person would do) but the higher ups just covered it up- once Joe did "his bit" then his responsibility is nil. He did his job, it's not his fault nothing was made of the situation. I have to laugh at all the people crucifying him when 99% of everyone would follow the same policies, we are almost trained just to let someone else handle it, and so he informed his superiors there was an issue, problem solved.
    I'm sorry but Mr Paterno knew nothing happened and still did nothing.
    Joe is a disgrace to the human race.
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    Nov 08, 2011 2:00 PM GMT
    I'm sorry, to say his (JoePa's) responsibility was "nil" once he reported the incident doesn't cut it. Once it was clear the University officials weren't going to do anything, he should have. These are children for God's sake! That he did nothing, didn't pick up the phone to alert the police that there was a predator with access to 100's of boys - it not only tarnishes his legacy, but I find it disgusting.

    Sure, he followed the policy as laid out in some HR manual, but come on - any of you guys who think he did what he was supposed to do and had no further responsibility, would that have been all you would have done in the same situation? What about the boys that came after "the one" JoePa knew of (I'm not convinced he didn't know of or at least suspect more - he's not stupid) ?

    JoePa needs to go.
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    Nov 08, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    The one relevant piece of data I'd like to have is what JoePa said the assistant told him and the higher ups (I believe he was present then, too).

    If it was "horseplay" then that's one thing.
    If it was sex (with a 12 year old!) that's quite another.

    From the GJ's statements, I have to guess that it was the latter.


    At the time this was brought to JoePa's attention, Sandusky was no longer an assistant coach.
    Sandusky held an emeritus position which gave him some access.
    (But to the football facilities?!)

    According to one reporter in Harrisburg (a PSU alum), when the graduate assistant approached JoePa the latter said that this was something he had to tell the higher up admins, not him.
    (Passing the buck or proper redirection?)


    I think it is clear that from a legal standpoint, JoePa shouldn't be held to a higher standard due to his stature.
    Legally he fulfilled his obligation, but doesn't someone of his stature have other obligations?

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    Nov 08, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    A 58 year old man having sex in the showers with a 10 year old boy. Just think of the long term ramifications this boy suffered. Were there other victims as well? Is this a fact? Then all those involved in the cover up, or those who were complacent should be fired, at the very least. Did anyone seek out any of the victims and see that they received any sort of assistance / counseling? Evidently not. Eight years or more - with this abuse going unchecked?