Vitamins

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    May 29, 2008 3:13 PM GMT
    What are the best multivitamins to take? Right now I am just taking Centrum. I also take a B12, Selenium, zinc, C, E, and fish oil. Just got back to working out full time. Feels great! I really need to build up. I would appreciate your help.
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    George

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    May 29, 2008 3:19 PM GMT
    Centrum is expensive piss dye. It is such a horrible vitamin. I would recommend using a food-tracking program like cron-o-meter to keep track of the nutrients you get from your diet. Chances are, you don't really need to take all those vitamins.

    Fish oil is a grand supplement, so keep on taking that if you are liking it.

    But for a multi I recommend Nature's Way brand Alive. I think it is the perfect balance of quality and affordability. There is enough B12, selenium, zinc, and C in those you will just have to take the one vitamin. Unless you have some medical condition which is making you supplement like this.
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    May 29, 2008 3:48 PM GMT
    Hey Thanks,
    I take all the vitamins because I don't eat well. Unfortunately I am very picky. I don't like a lot of vegetables or fruit. I am a meet and potatoes guy. I don't eat potatoes often. I have a bad sweet tooth.
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    May 29, 2008 6:12 PM GMT
    Well, supplements are fine and all but you can't beat actual food. You know what would be much more inexpensive than pills? Take a cooking class. Rediscover veggies and fruits as the delicious things they are. If you are a meat and potatoes kind of guy there is a lot more to worry about than vitamin deficiency.
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    May 29, 2008 6:28 PM GMT
    I take Centrum Silver (one a day), but need to watch how many vitamins I take in case they interact with the 10 or so prescription drugs I take. I will keep my eye out for "Alive", I assume you can find it in a typical drug store?
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    May 29, 2008 7:22 PM GMT
    You might want to take a look at what is in it. I can't imagine what your medication is like, but there are some herbs which are a little scarry if you are concerned about interactions.

    Here is the website for it.
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    May 29, 2008 7:57 PM GMT
    What is everyone’s thought on protein powders and creatine? Is there anything else you would recommend? I want to build up and trim down. I am going to get the Nature's Way Alive. It sounds good. Thanks!
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    May 29, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidYou might want to take a look at what is in it. I can't imagine what your medication is like, but there are some herbs which are a little scarry if you are concerned about interactions.

    Here is the website for it.


    Thanks MZ, I checked the website and it looks fine. I already consume fruit and vegetables every day as well as drinking water, V8 and herbal teas, but I add one multi-vitamin just to be on the safe side.

    I don't take herbal medicines, on one of my HIV meds there are warnings against some of them (St. John's Worts I think).
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    May 29, 2008 8:48 PM GMT
    St. John's Wort is horrible to take with HIV meds.
    There are better supps for us to take other than Centrum (which is crap). Centrum doesn't completely dissolve in the stomach, so you don't get your money's worth.

    There are lots of reasons why certain supplements are contraindicated for those of us with HIV, but don't let that keep you from searching for alternatives that will work with your meds and GI tract. I see a naturopath as well as an allopathic (standard medicine) doctor so that I can make sure that supplements that are taken don't cause negative side effects with the meds I'm on; such as keeping the meds from working.

    One good trick to tell if your supplements will work is to put a tablet, capsule, or whatever in a cup of apple vinegar. The chemicals in the vinegar similates the acidity of the stomach juices and should dissolve the tablet in about 15 - 20 minutes or less. If the tablet(s) don't completely dissolve, the supplement is crap.

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    May 29, 2008 8:53 PM GMT
    Thanks Auryn for the tip about the apple vinegar, it makes sense. Good to know about Centrum as well, I will stop using it once my supply is finished (that will be soon).

    I will also check the Body.com website to find out more about vitamins. My health is good but I figure a little bit of extra boost does not hurt.
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    May 29, 2008 10:03 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidCentrum is expensive piss dye. It is such a horrible vitamin.

    What does this mean? Exactly what's wrong with Centrum?
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    May 29, 2008 11:59 PM GMT
    I take a Whole Food Supplement. Its a multivitamin derived from real foods. Your body utilizes organic vitamins better than the synthetic ones that are in regular multivitamins.
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    May 30, 2008 4:14 AM GMT
    CLA would be a great choice for those wanting to drop body fat and add muscle. I don't recommend many supplements, but this one has good solid scientific evidence behind it. Be careful with the creatine, as some can be loaded with sugar, some sugar is okay, but a lot of formulas are just loaded with it, so be careful of that if trying to lean out.

    Whey protein, and protein mix powders can be a great help in controlling appetite and building muscle. Optimum Nutrition makes a product called Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex. This formula rocks for several reasons, 1.) Excellent amino acid profile, 2.) A great mix of fast, medium and long acting proteins that provides a sort of continuous protein release for an 8 hour period. 3.) The stuff actually tastes better then anything else I have tried. 4.) You can actually shake this stuff enough to dissolve it nicely so there is no chalky chunks. 5.) As long as you don't buy it at GNC, its pretty reasonable - at a local store I think I paid 28 bucks for a couple pounds. 6.) Its not loaded up with lots of sugar and fats. 7.) Optimum is one of very few supplement companies I trust at all. You should give it a try bro.

    By the way, I have absolutely no relationship with any supplement manufacturer or retailer, and I do not personally sell anyone's product. My recommendations are simply based on personal experience, the experiences of people I've trained, and the latest in scientific research.
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    May 30, 2008 4:39 AM GMT
    SuperNutrition OptiPacks---hands down the best vitamins on the market.
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    May 30, 2008 5:29 AM GMT
    obscenewish said
    What does this mean? Exactly what's wrong with Centrum?


    The way it is processed it is very difficult to digest. Try breaking that pill apart with your hand. That sucker isn't cracking. Like food that isn't well chewed, it doesn't get absorbed very well.

    But my big problem is that it is a one-a-day. The body gets an excess of a nutrient, and it treats it like waste. Hence all those lovely B-vitamins turning your pee that particular shade of yellow.

    It should be noted though that I have not read much scientific literature on the subject recently and am not the most informed person on the topic.
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    May 30, 2008 2:31 PM GMT
    Hey Guys,
    Thank you so much for all of your input. You have been very helpful!
  • UStriathlete

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    Jun 13, 2008 3:52 AM GMT
    www.michaelmooney.net

    is the best website for nutrition, and he has HIV info as well.

    any food base vitamin will be better than centrum. dirt in a bottle is what i call it.

    i use super nutrition. just go to a good health food store and ask for a food base vitamin. plus eat your fruits and veggies!

    good luck.
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    Jun 13, 2008 3:57 AM GMT
    your best and safest bet is just to do the Mens One a Day multivitamin with Lycopene, a Citracal calcium vitamin, omega 3 fish oil, and maybe vitamin E. this is based on what i personally take, which is based on what my parents have dictated- my mom being a nurse practitioner and my dad being a neutrasutical salesman/health nut.
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    Jun 13, 2008 7:05 PM GMT
    czarodziej saidyour best and safest bet is just to do the Mens One a Day multivitamin with Lycopene, a Citracal calcium vitamin, omega 3 fish oil, and maybe vitamin E. this is based on what i personally take, which is based on what my parents have dictated- my mom being a nurse practitioner and my dad being a neutrasutical salesman/health nut.




    This is great advice - and all I add to it personally is vitamin C and Selenium. I take a ton of C as was advocated by Nobel prize winner Linus Pauling at Stanford years ago - although his teachings were controversial, to say the least!
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    Jun 13, 2008 7:24 PM GMT
    Aren't you supposed to be careful about taking too much Selenium? I know it's good for skin health but seem to recall reading somewhere that excess selenium can be quite bad.

    *off to search the med journals online*
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    Jun 15, 2008 4:54 AM GMT
    RunintheCity saidAren't you supposed to be careful about taking too much Selenium? I know it's good for skin health but seem to recall reading somewhere that excess selenium can be quite bad.

    *off to search the med journals online*


    You are correct. Too little is bad; too much can be fatal. When in doubt seek the advice of a Nutritionist.
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    Jun 26, 2008 6:27 AM GMT
    I have been taking amino acid supplements purchased at GNC; generally, I've been pleased with the results--improved health, mental attitude, etc. I'm curious about the dosing amounts for amino acids: L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoleic Acid, Arginine, and Tonalin CLA (whatever the abbrevation might be). I have taken rather high doses of them--a 1000 mg., or more, daily. Are there any side effects that I should be mindful of? What are the side effects?

    Regarding Tonalin: I have lost 15 lbs., in approximately three months and, while the initial result is effective, even exciting, I wonder if there is an actual limit for Tonalin--recommended dosing is two capsules/dy; I usually take from (3) to (6) capsules per day.

    So..., I'm interested to hear from anyone with the expertise and/or his or her knowledge from experience, the little, ideosyncratic side effects (if any) from the high doseage of each vitamin. I have consulted numerous websites, too; however, I think actual experience will prove more effective.

    "Yes, the vitamin! that venerable little pill!

    I anticipate hearing from you!

    -Best,
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    Jun 26, 2008 6:34 AM GMT
    Healthy eating gives you all you need so eat up your green veggies! And fruit!
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    Sep 25, 2008 10:16 AM GMT
    I really don't understand this obsession with vitamin C (and most other supplements too). NO significant (beneficial) effect of large doses of ascorbate (vit C) has ever been shown. If you have insufficient intake then yes, there are problems (scurvy being the extreme case). However, taking any more vit C than your body needs (definitely < 500 mg/day) can only hurt (I mentioned elsewhere how toxic vitamin C can be to cells).

    A common misunderstanding of many people without scientific education goes like this: Fat people with a diet lacking in vit C break down fat more slowly (BTW 11% is negligible), ergo if I eat more vit C I will burn more fat! What a load of bollocks!