HIV and blow jobs

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    Jul 18, 2007 7:22 AM GMT
    Ok, so I've been looking at some gay porn, and they show the guys using a condom for fucking, but no condom for sucking a guy off. What gives? Can't you get HIV from sucking off, as well as fucking??

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    Jul 18, 2007 4:53 PM GMT
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm

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    Aug 13, 2007 7:24 PM GMT
    Mmm, i dont think you will not got HIV if you contact with someone who has it.

    But, you always have to have sex with someone YOU KNOW AND TRUSR HIM and that you are sure he is HIV- otherwise, you dont know what happens.

    Condoms can reduce that chances to got HIV, but it is not 100% sure that protect you.
  • dfrourke

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    Aug 18, 2007 6:29 AM GMT
    ...yup...lower risk activity, but still a risk...

    ...um...what was the reference for porn about? There is porn showing guys fuck without a condom...and most of us know that is high risk...

    were you surprised? I don't think I have ever seen a porn movie where someone got a blow job with a condom...

    - David
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    Oct 01, 2007 1:59 PM GMT
    The foreskin of a uncut penis has microvessels that can burst during sexual activity, of coarse people won't normally feel or see/taste anything, but this is a serious risk, and there have been cases of these microvessels bursting due to increased blood flow and pressure to the penis. Having a cut penis also helps prevent some diseases....

    But then again, having a uncut foreskin does perform a few important roles. It helps keep the glans protected and moist with emollient oils, and produces lubrication during sex or masturbation. The foreskin provides a gliding mechanism during intercourse, and also prevents possible friction and chaffing.

    So it's a compromise....


    Here are a site with some info:

    Your foreskin:
    http://www.health24.com/Man/Cm_x_Cm/748-3216-3220-3230,34803.asp

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    Oct 01, 2007 9:20 PM GMT
    Yes you can get HIV from giving blowjobs without a condom, and I am living proof.
  • puttputt

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    Nov 27, 2007 6:03 AM GMT
    dfrourkeI don't think I have ever seen a porn movie where someone got a blow job with a condom...


    I've seen one with the guy wearing a condom, but it was straight porn and the condom was banana-flavored.
  • zakariahzol

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    Nov 28, 2007 1:00 PM GMT
    Jbededward,

    Since your admission I have becoming a little bit scare on performing oral on my sexual partner. However I start developing a new fetish of rimming(you cant get the dick , you go for the ass) and other weird behaviour like armpit and ball licking. It really hard to resist (especially during heavy forplay and heat of thing) the urge to taste that hard on. However, I really still do condomless blowjob when somebody else is doing it to me. The last time this guys leave me naked on the bed, because he expect me to return the favour he do to me.

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    Nov 29, 2007 9:42 PM GMT
    oh, rimming...now there's a safe behavior. ...NOT!!! ... icon_eek.gif
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    Nov 30, 2007 7:55 PM GMT
    thank you jbedwards for your admission, sadly many people are unaware of the risks of HIV associated with giving/receiving oral sex.

    rimming is another way HIV can be transmitted, not to mention a host of other nasty things. I don't know what safe sex measures there are for that, maybe something along the lines of seran wrap and dental dams?

    Stay safe!
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    Dec 01, 2007 3:30 AM GMT
    I had a lover once, many years ago, whom I enjoyed a quart or two of his semen while sucking him off. (about a tablespoon amount at a time) I always insisted that he wear a condom if he wanted to stick it in the other side.
    We drifted apart and a year and a half later, I found out that he had died from AIDS. When we were together his viral load must have been off the chart. Even though I swallowed, I did not get it, I test HIV Negative and I get tested often, at least every six months, usually every three, (I'm quite active) to make sure. So I'm not saying that you can't get "it"
    from giving a blow job but I do that fairly regularly and I test negative.
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    Dec 01, 2007 5:07 AM GMT
    While I am glad you are still negative, your practice is extremely unsafe. That is your choice. Yes oral is less chance for HIV but nonetheless the chance exists.

    I don't think you set a good message by spreading your message of unsafe sex.

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    Dec 01, 2007 5:33 AM GMT
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/default.htm
  • zakariahzol

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    Dec 02, 2007 10:37 AM GMT
    Now I dont know what to do anymore. It seem that everything I do is unsafe. Probably I should put a condom all over my body before having sex. This is really frustrating. It take all my will power to stop myself from temptation of giving bj. Even an open mouth deep kissing carry certain risk
    (I just dont think I can stop myself from doing that). I just cant wait to find one good men, and do it with him alone. Even then it probably not that safe too, if he straying around.
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    Dec 02, 2007 4:17 PM GMT
    zakariah your frustration is understandable. however, kissing versus blowjobs are really a huge difference between risk factors. I don't think a case has ever been reported about someone getting HIV from kissing. both partners would have to be bleeding from their gums and the blood would have to come into contact.

    oral sex on the other hand there is a much higher chance of contracting the disease. my suggestion would be to use a flavored condom? better to enjoy the sex a little less than to suffer for the rest of your life. also, if you are monogamous and truly trust your partner consider both getting tested and re-tested after 3 months and maybe than the 2 of you will feel comfortable not using condoms.
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    Dec 03, 2007 1:47 AM GMT
    If you insist on giving blowjobs without protection, there are steps you can take to reduce the risk.

    1. Do not brush your teeth just before having sex, you could open small cuts in your gums that pre-cum could enter.

    2. Check your mouth and throat area by gargling with a strong salt and water solution. If your mouth area or throat stings you could have a cut you did not know about.

    3. Don't assume that if a person does not ejaculate in your mouth you are safe. Pre-cum is just as bad as cum for containing HIV.

    4. Maintain good oral hygiene at all times. Bad gums can be an avenue for pre-cum or cum to get into the bloodstream.

    Probably the best rule about sex outside of a relationship is to assume THAT EVERY SEXUAL PARTNER IS HIV+ and act accordingly. That is the way I always approached casual sex, unfortunately I did not follow steps 1 & 2 above and in the early 90's oral sex was considered very low risk.

    Have fun and be safe.

    A website called "The Body" is an excellent source for everything regarding HIV and safer sex.
  • zakariahzol

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    Dec 03, 2007 1:10 PM GMT
    Hippie,

    Now how to got the guys I gonna do oral on to put a condom. I mean most guys , including myself required somebody to suck them first for them to get hard and then we put the condom on. Ever since Edward admission I have not do any more bj, on other people, even though a few guys have perform one on me. (condomless)

    Just like Edward mention I considered every one I be with as poz (including myself). This is really frustrating. But I guess it part of parcel of living in the world of AIDS. However I might do oral sex again with some guys that I know and trusted. I sure will follow Edward suggestions before doing it.

    BTW, why are you saying rimming as unsafe (as far as HIV is concern). There no cum or pre-cum involve. Ass do not produce liquid like vagina isnt it. I cant see the logic. Of course you can get other disease with bacteria like E Coli etc but that is another story.

    zak
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    Dec 03, 2007 1:35 PM GMT
    Hi Zak,

    I am glad to see you are being more safe with your practices. Just to let you know whether giving/receiving oral sex both partners can get HIV. It is less likely if you are the one getting head but still possible if the person has a tiny cut in their mouth which than goes on to mix with your opening.

    As far as rimming there is no cum you are correct, but semen is not the only issue with HIV transmission. The anus is full of blood vessels and ruptures easily, naturally at any given time most people have some cuts openings in their rectum, and so again the possibility of an open wound on your tongue or mouth and that open wound in the ass creates the potential danger of HIV. There are also a host of other diseases that rimming is dangerous for, so I suggest learning about safe sex practices for rimming if you choose to engage in it.
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    Dec 03, 2007 1:37 PM GMT
    In answer to the first part of your question. How do you get a guy to put a condom on? Well, demand it, it is your health and theirs. This is life we are talking about!

    Why not engage in some foreplay to get your partner hard, or jack him off or something so than you can place on a condom, try a flavored condom so the experience is better for you.
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    Dec 03, 2007 9:20 PM GMT
    If your sexual partner insists on not using a condom and you want to, just say no condom no sex! There is only one guy I ever allowed to give me a blowjob without a condom when I was HIV+ and that was another HIV+ man (this was before I met my partner). He insisted on no condom and was willing to take the risk.
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    Dec 03, 2007 11:14 PM GMT
    jbedwards isn't it true though that even if both partners are HIV + that protection should be used? Because your strain may be less than the other person and it gives you a chance to pick up a stronger version of HIV?
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    Dec 19, 2007 5:24 PM GMT
    This is a very good discussion and gives me more confidence to insist on safe sex from a partner. There are many people out there who don't really now how. I have had some really good sex with people that have known how to have sex as safely as possible.

    Sometimes just being close to each other with some lube inbetween, or lube between the legs, etc. You can have really good sex without oral or anal penetration!
  • zakariahzol

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    Dec 19, 2007 9:13 PM GMT
    Frankgary,

    I have been doing that method (the lube between the leg) in replacement for anal sex, since I was a teenager.( Anal sex is just to painful and offer me no pleasure at all). Frankly, it feel as good, as the real thing, a lot safer, a lot cleaner. Most the time I will bottoming and taking it barebacking. I have become real good at moving my pelvis muscle and squeezing that guys just climax (just ask my ex bf) . It get so most better if the top have a long, enormous size that you can really feel it sliding. However it still not 100% safe though. Once I discover I have a cut betwwen my leg after going jogging. Some guy can be really rough and might bruise you. However the skin between your leg are much thicker than in the ass, that the risk is really minimal.
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    Dec 19, 2007 10:13 PM GMT
    Yes Hippie4lyfe that is true. If I was in a relationship with an HIV+ person I would be just about as cautious as if the person is HIV-. If you are HIV+ you do not want to be infected with a version of the virus that is resistant to meds. Also there are different forms of HIV, they are not all the same, you do not want to get a more virulent version of the virus.

    The person I had sex with was willing to take the chance and I said "are you sure", he insisted yes, and I was careful not to climax in his mouth. If the tables had been reversed (ie I was blowing him) I would have requested a condom.
  • sinfakos

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    Dec 23, 2007 4:31 PM GMT
    You can do a lot with your hands to stimulate and sexually gratify your partner. Friction between bodies is another way, and kissing the outside of the body rather than going inside is safer. There are many ways of sexual gratification besides the usual fucking, sucking and rimming. Better than risking your life or the life of your partner. Best to know that both of you are disease free.