Morality, Happiness, Oxytocin

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    Nov 08, 2011 7:43 AM GMT
    Was watching some things on TED, as per usual, came across this video about Ocytocin...

    It seemed extremely appropriate for this forum icon_wink.gif












    What do you think about Ocytocin and it's connection to empathy and "morality"?
    Make it a little easier to understand your boyfriends attitude when stressed or perhaps at a high testosterone level?
    Maybe you can relate this to that lonely troll you just yelled at?
    Maybe this explains why overly-matured jocks in high school are such douchebags?
    This is definitely why dogs are such great anti-depressants icon_biggrin.gif Oxytocin in a fluffy package.

    I'll stand behind his "8 hugs a day" prescription! Everyone can use more Oxytocin.
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    Nov 08, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    Interesting. But I've got a few issues with some things said.

    I'd like to see the data determining that "We're the only creatures with fully developed moral sentiments" because it seems that other creatures besides us show varying degrees of kindness and cruelty.

    If we are the only creatures of moral sentiment (fully developed or otherwise) and if this molecule causes that, then how is it that "Ocytocin is...found...in (other) mammals. In rodents, it was known to make mothers care for their offspring."

    I've got huge issues with the statement that "Poor countries are by and large low trust countries" without having been shown the evidence that they have less of this trust causing molecule than richer countries, particularly considering the hegemony of western civilization, colonization, exploitation, etc. as it seems there might be other factors involved.

    Also, "...to get oxytocin into my own brain. And I found I could do it with a nasal inhaler" seems to contradict that...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
    "Oxytocin secreted from the pituitary gland cannot re-enter the brain because of the blood-brain barrier"

    And so I'd like to see one of those sources corrected.
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    Nov 09, 2011 5:18 AM GMT
    This was interesting. Thanks for sharing it, MyPenIs. I knew it was going to be hugs!!!
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    Nov 09, 2011 5:20 AM GMT
    Thank god. I talk about oxytocin all the time and people just give me a blank wtf stare. Glad you're teaching people about it.

    I guess gays aren't to familiar with oxytocin since they can't stay with a guy long enough to secrete any. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 09, 2011 5:23 AM GMT
    theantijock saidInteresting. But I've got a few issues with some things said.

    I'd like to see the data determining that "We're the only creatures with fully developed moral sentiments" because it seems that other creatures besides us show varying degrees of kindness and cruelty.

    If we are the only creatures of moral sentiment (fully developed or otherwise) and if this molecule causes that, then how is it that "Ocytocin is...found...in (other) mammals. In rodents, it was known to make mothers care for their offspring."

    I've got huge issues with the statement that "Poor countries are by and large low trust countries" without having been shown the evidence that they have less of this trust causing molecule than richer countries, particularly considering the hegemony of western civilization, colonization, exploitation, etc. as it seems there might be other factors involved.

    Also, "...to get oxytocin into my own brain. And I found I could do it with a nasal inhaler" seems to contradict that...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
    "Oxytocin secreted from the pituitary gland cannot re-enter the brain because of the blood-brain barrier"

    And so I'd like to see one of those sources corrected.


    Yeah, Dr. Love has some holes in his story. Like anyone who makes such definite claims, take him with a grain of salt.

    I think most of what he said made sense.
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    Nov 09, 2011 5:31 AM GMT
    theantijock saidInteresting. But I've got a few issues with some things said.

    I'd like to see the data determining that "We're the only creatures with fully developed moral sentiments" because it seems that other creatures besides us show varying degrees of kindness and cruelty..


    Yup, its completely ridiculous... bats, dolphins, elephants, and many apes show empathic behaviour in the wild... Dolphins are even seen to be "disciplined" by their mothers in a stern fashion just like humans, showing that they have morality...

    And honestly.. if you own a dog, cat or bird, do you honestly think they are not empathic to you?
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    Nov 09, 2011 5:39 AM GMT
    dekiruman saidI guess gays aren't to familiar with oxytocin since they can't stay with a guy long enough to secrete any. icon_lol.gif


    Sounds like someone needs a hug!
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    Nov 09, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    dekiruman saidThank god. I talk about oxytocin all the time and people just give me a blank wtf stare. Glad you're teaching people about it.

    I guess gays aren't to familiar with oxytocin since they can't stay with a guy long enough to secrete any. icon_lol.gif

    Actually, guys release a lot of oxytocin at ejaculation.
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    Nov 09, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidYeah, Dr. Love has some holes in his story. Like anyone who makes such definite claims, take him with a grain of salt.

    I think most of what he said made sense.


    Well, he's pretty to look at and he has a lovely speaking voice and he has, afterall, been Tedified (yes, I know I'm on hallowed ground here and someone is going to go crazy that an anonymous nobody online might have the nerve to critique anything Ted), so I'd imagine he might be tasty with a pinch of salt. But why let that recipe interefere with critically considering what the so-called Dr. Love actually proposed?

    The holes are a problem, as you recognize, for these grand theories of making the world a better place must hold at least some water. Besides the holes, he also spills some overflow wherein he indicates how very much oxytocin he must have been personally producing as a 1st world citizen (even when he wasn't masterbating), held evident by him being so easily scammed out of his money as a teen, yet the 3rd world countries, which he labels as "low trust" which are in reality scammed for their natural resources and kept poor by the declared oxytocin-abundant 1st world importers (so much for our empathy), he offers as evidence of their low oxytocin? That's not even a gaping hole. That's a canyon. Perhaps I missed something in his presentation but I would like to hear clearly his explanation on how to cross that.

    GreenHopper saidYup, its completely ridiculous... bats, dolphins, elephants, and many apes show empathic behaviour in the wild... Dolphins are even seen to be "disciplined" by their mothers in a stern fashion just like humans, showing that they have morality...

    And honestly.. if you own a dog, cat or bird, do you honestly think they are not empathic to you?


    What is the opposite of anthropomorphism?

    Gall.

    When I was a little kid, the big thing about being human, that only humans could do, what separated us from other animals, was our use of tools.

    Then what supposedly separated us from other animals was our ability not just to use tools, which other creatures were found doing, but to fashion the tools for a specific purpose.

    Oooops, wrong again. Because "lower" life forms were found doing that too.

    At one point we were thought the highest life form because the size of our brains compared to body weight, but then someone thought to measure mice compared to men. Ooops. (and that was before the obesity epidemic made us look, relatively, even stupider).

    Science can be so damned inconvenient.