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    Nov 09, 2011 2:39 AM GMT
    The political professionals know that 1-on-1 match ups between an incumbent president and individual members of the opposition are not highly meaningful until the opposition candidate is chosen. During this time, the incumbent has the biggest platform, while the challengers are fighting among themselves and in individual cases deflecting issues that will only be relevant for the nominee.

    The numbers indicating the difficulty in Obama's chances for reelection are the following:

    Job Approval / Disapproval
    When disapproval exceeds 50% one year out, his chances are very problemmatic according to many analysts.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

    Direction of Country
    Experts say when the opinion that the country is on the wrong track exceeds 70%, the likelihood is the incumbent will not be reelected.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

    Unemployment Rate
    ...The table shown below indicates that when the unemployment rate exceeds seven percent, the incumbent president usually loses his bid for reelection.  Furthermore, when the unemployment rate is lower than seven percent, the incumbent president wins reelection.
    http://www.paxamerica.org/2011/08/05/
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    Which means nothing until there's an actual challenger. And if you think that Meat Puppet Romney won't get smoked by Obama. Well...

    BTW, great day for the Left. Anti-union measure in Ohio is toast. Same-day voter registration in Maine coming back. And we might recall two Republicans yet.

    In short, Republicans have overreached and awoken the sleeping 99% of Americans who don't want to get pantsed anymore.
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    Christian73 saidWhich means nothing until there's an actual challenger. And if you think that Meat Puppet Romney won't get smoked by Obama. Well...

    BTW, great day for the Left. Anti-union measure in Ohio is toast. Same-day voter registration in Maine coming back. And we might recall two Republicans yet.

    In short, Republicans have overreached and awoken the sleeping 99% of Americans who don't want to get pantsed anymore.

    I think Romney will clean Obama's clock if he is the nominee. There are so many issues that will be brought up, Obama will be humiliated. Romney changing positions will be nothing compared to all the Obama lies and broken promises. With the new administration, the effects from Ohio will be seen as temporary, having been overcome by events. And please keep up using the OWS slogans. It really helps.
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    Christian73 saidWhich means nothing until there's an actual challenger. And if you think that Meat Puppet Romney won't get smoked by Obama. Well...

    BTW, great day for the Left. Anti-union measure in Ohio is toast. Same-day voter registration in Maine coming back. And we might recall two Republicans yet.

    In short, Republicans have overreached and awoken the sleeping 99% of Americans who don't want to get pantsed anymore.

    I think Romney will clean Obama's clock if he is the nominee. There are so many issues that will be brought up, Obama will be humiliated. Romney changing positions will be nothing compared to all the Obama lies and broken promises. With the new administration, the effects from Ohio will be seen as temporary, having been overcome by events. And please keep up using the OWS slogans. It really helps.


    Sure. Good luck with all that. Romney couldn't clean an actual clock if someone gave him Windex and a maid to help him. People actually like Obama even when they have issues with his performance. Even lots of Republicans. No one like Romney. I don't even think his kids like him.
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    Nov 09, 2011 3:01 AM GMT
    Romney winning the GOP nomination will be solid proof that the GOP doesn't really give a rat's ass about their supposed base (middle class/NASCAR fans/Christians) but only about the needs of their real base, i.e. corporate donors and the seniority pecking order that a bunch of insiders and Skull and Bonesmen have decided will be the man.

    And Romney is that man: with Obama all but sure to win (short of a major scandal or a major economic implosion) - he is the perfect throwaway douche candidate. He won't be able to argue that he had a chance when "his turn" came up...

    Watch for Chris Christie in 2016, or perhaps Rand Paul (Dr. Ron Paul will probably not be around or in good enough health to make a convincing run of it).
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    alphatrigger saidRomney winning the GOP nomination will be solid proof that the GOP doesn't really give a rat's ass about their supposed base (middle class/NASCAR fans/Christians) but only about the needs of their real base, i.e. corporate donors and the seniority pecking order that a bunch of insiders and Skull and Bonesmen have decided will be the man.

    And Romney is that man: with Obama all but sure to win (short of a major scandal or a major economic implosion) - he is the perfect throwaway douche candidate. He won't be able to argue that he had a chance when "his turn" came up...

    Watch for Chris Christie in 2016, or perhaps Rand Paul (Dr. Ron Paul will probably not be around or in good enough health to make a convincing run of it).

    With all the scandals, the unpopularity of the health care, the very significant numbers I pointed out above, the chance of Obama winning is slim. The position you are taking now is, I think, typical of those who dislike Romney and favor others. Aside from his age, Paul would never have a chance. His followers are very passionate, but his foreign policy especially with Iran doesn't resonate with many folks. I'm heavily into following foreign policy, and Paul in the WH would be a disaster.
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    Nov 09, 2011 4:32 AM GMT
    I have my doubts on Romney being the nominee. He hasn't even polled over 27% yet. Its pretty bad when almost 75% of your party is against you. The Republicans had to hold their noses for McCain, their not going to do the same for Romney and that includes me. The guy is an empty suit. He lacks principles. He has flip flopped on every issue. Plus he loves socialized health care. How are we supposed to go after Obama's agenda when Romney agreed with it at some point?
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    Nov 09, 2011 4:37 AM GMT
    If Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.
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    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.
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    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.


    The GOP will likely lose control of the House or see the margin shrink significantly. The Senate is a toss up at this point but when the Democrats run on jobs and the Republicans run on "Obamacare", it's going to be a stark reminder of the choice people have. And the GOP will have no one "up ticket" to pull people along as Romney - the very likely nominee - does not inspire passion in the base similar to how the Dems didn't inspire passion in their base in 2010.

    Personally, I think the GOP elite is beginning to quietly concede that Romney will be the sacrificial lamb who they will put up for defeat in 2012 and start looking for a real competitor in 2016, probably someone we haven't even thought of.

    And issue three was a waste of money. States cannot opt out of federal directives as the conservative circuit court ruled today.
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    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    jpBITCHva said
    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.


    The GOP will likely lose control of the House or see the margin shrink significantly. The Senate is a toss up at this point but when the Democrats run on jobs and the Republicans run on "Obamacare", it's going to be a stark reminder of the choice people have. And the GOP will have no one "up ticket" to pull people along as Romney - the very likely nominee - does not inspire passion in the base similar to how the Dems didn't inspire passion in their base in 2010.

    Personally, I think the GOP elite is beginning to quietly concede that Romney will be the sacrificial lamb who they will put up for defeat in 2012 and start looking for a real competitor in 2016, probably someone we haven't even thought of.

    And issue three was a waste of money. States cannot opt out of federal directives as the conservative circuit court ruled today.


    Theres not a political pundit (most of them are liberals too) in this country that is saying that the GOP is going to lose the house. In fact their predicted to pick up seats. Redistricting is in their favor. As for the Senate, the Dems are on defense big time. They only have a shot in Masschusetts and thats it. The GOP has North Dakota (Safe pickup), Montana, Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Nebraska (safe pickup). The Dems are going to be forced to spend money on the race in Hawaii. The GOP has a nice edge for the Senate. The Party of NO is going to block all of the tax and spend proposals that come out of the administration. Get used to it.

    And tonight Obama has lost Ohio. When 66% turn down Obamacare. Thats a landslide.





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    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    jpBITCHva said
    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.


    The GOP will likely lose control of the House or see the margin shrink significantly. The Senate is a toss up at this point but when the Democrats run on jobs and the Republicans run on "Obamacare", it's going to be a stark reminder of the choice people have. And the GOP will have no one "up ticket" to pull people along as Romney - the very likely nominee - does not inspire passion in the base similar to how the Dems didn't inspire passion in their base in 2010.

    Personally, I think the GOP elite is beginning to quietly concede that Romney will be the sacrificial lamb who they will put up for defeat in 2012 and start looking for a real competitor in 2016, probably someone we haven't even thought of.

    And issue three was a waste of money. States cannot opt out of federal directives as the conservative circuit court ruled today.

    You are stunningly blind to the numbers in the OP. You are clinging to the OWS as being a lifeline which is absurd. Obama will very likely be defeated, and the GOP will retain control of the House and get control of the Senate. People just don't want socialism. After the radicals are defeated, I trust the Democrats will again embrace the blue-dogs that were cast aside and we will again have a two party system.
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    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    jpBITCHva said
    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.


    The GOP will likely lose control of the House or see the margin shrink significantly. The Senate is a toss up at this point but when the Democrats run on jobs and the Republicans run on "Obamacare", it's going to be a stark reminder of the choice people have. And the GOP will have no one "up ticket" to pull people along as Romney - the very likely nominee - does not inspire passion in the base similar to how the Dems didn't inspire passion in their base in 2010.

    Personally, I think the GOP elite is beginning to quietly concede that Romney will be the sacrificial lamb who they will put up for defeat in 2012 and start looking for a real competitor in 2016, probably someone we haven't even thought of.

    And issue three was a waste of money. States cannot opt out of federal directives as the conservative circuit court ruled today.



    The Democrats are going to run on jobs, hahahahahahhahahhahaha. If thats the case the GOP is going to have a Veto Proof Majority.

    The Republicans running on Obamacare, something that is being forced upon the American people. If thats the case the GOP is going to have a Veto Proof Majority.

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    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    jpBITCHva said
    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.


    The GOP will likely lose control of the House or see the margin shrink significantly. The Senate is a toss up at this point but when the Democrats run on jobs and the Republicans run on "Obamacare", it's going to be a stark reminder of the choice people have. And the GOP will have no one "up ticket" to pull people along as Romney - the very likely nominee - does not inspire passion in the base similar to how the Dems didn't inspire passion in their base in 2010.

    Personally, I think the GOP elite is beginning to quietly concede that Romney will be the sacrificial lamb who they will put up for defeat in 2012 and start looking for a real competitor in 2016, probably someone we haven't even thought of.

    And issue three was a waste of money. States cannot opt out of federal directives as the conservative circuit court ruled today.

    You are stunningly blind to the numbers in the OP. You are clinging to the OWS as being a lifeline which is absurd. Obama will very likely be defeated, and the GOP will retain control of the House and get control of the Senate. People just don't want socialism. After the radicals are defeated, I trust the Democrats will again embrace the blue-dogs that were cast aside and we will again have a two party system.


    Au contraire. I read the numbers but they are a year out from the election which makes them all but meaningless. Reagan's numbers were not much better at this point in the run up the 84 election.

    I haven't even mentioned OWS, so not sure where that came up. I'm talking about electoral politics and in that vein from SB5 to "Personhood" to same-day voting in Maine to AZ's immigration law architect, the Republicans got their asses kicked tonight.

    And until its mano-a-mano - Obama verus Romney (?) - none of the polls are reliable. But, if you want to go there, Obama still beats every Republican in one-to-one match ups, including Romney and generic Republican candidate. And his numbers are getting better, not worse.
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    Christian73 said
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    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.


    The GOP will likely lose control of the House or see the margin shrink significantly. The Senate is a toss up at this point but when the Democrats run on jobs and the Republicans run on "Obamacare", it's going to be a stark reminder of the choice people have. And the GOP will have no one "up ticket" to pull people along as Romney - the very likely nominee - does not inspire passion in the base similar to how the Dems didn't inspire passion in their base in 2010.

    Personally, I think the GOP elite is beginning to quietly concede that Romney will be the sacrificial lamb who they will put up for defeat in 2012 and start looking for a real competitor in 2016, probably someone we haven't even thought of.

    And issue three was a waste of money. States cannot opt out of federal directives as the conservative circuit court ruled today.



    The Democrats are going to run on jobs, hahahahahahhahahhahaha. If thats the case the GOP is going to have a Veto Proof Majority.

    The Republicans running on Obamacare, something that is being forced upon the American people. If thats the case the GOP is going to have a Veto Proof Majority.



    SB - You realize that by focusing on "Obamacare", you're edging ever closer to admitting your behind this sock account. No one has been more obsessed by HCR than you and it's a losing issue.
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    Nov 09, 2011 6:48 AM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    jpBITCHva said
    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.




    Oh Lordy. Mitt Romney has more presidential charisma in his right pinky than Mitch Daniels could ever hope for in his entire body. You're dreaming if you think he will get the nom at the convention. This is clearly Romneys to lose unless Huntsman pulls a New Hampshire surprise
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    Nov 09, 2011 9:32 AM GMT
    Christian73 said...And until its mano-a-mano - Obama verus Romney (?) - none of the polls are reliable. But, if you want to go there, Obama still beats every Republican in one-to-one match ups, including Romney and generic Republican candidate. And his numbers are getting better, not worse.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
    Not so fast.
    Obama leads in 5 polls, Romney leads in 2 polls, tie in 3 polls. Given the incumbent always has the advantage while the others are in primary fights, the trend is not good for Obama, and the numbers taken 1 year out in the OP spell even more problems for Obama.
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    Nov 09, 2011 10:54 AM GMT
    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The state's new collective bargaining law was defeated Tuesday after an expensive union-backed campaign that pitted firefighters, police officers and teachers against the Republican establishment.
    In a political blow to GOP Gov. John Kasich, voters handily rejected the law, which would have limited the bargaining abilities of 350,000 unionized public workers. With nearly 95 percent of the votes counted late Tuesday, about 61 percent were to reject the law.


    Just so you'd know
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    Christian73 said...And until its mano-a-mano - Obama verus Romney (?) - none of the polls are reliable. But, if you want to go there, Obama still beats every Republican in one-to-one match ups, including Romney and generic Republican candidate. And his numbers are getting better, not worse.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
    Not so fast.
    Obama leads in 5 polls, Romney leads in 2 polls, tie in 3 polls. Given the incumbent always has the advantage while the others are in primary fights, the trend is not good for Obama, and the numbers taken 1 year out in the OP spell even more problems for Obama.


    In the aggregate Obama beats Romney handily but the polls this far out are meaningless. At this point in the 2008 election, Clinton was beating Obama by a mile in the polls. It could go either way at this point. The bad news for Republicans is that the general public now views the Republican congress as purposefully holding back the economy to screw Obama and people don't like DC playing politics with their lives.
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    CHRISTOPHER34 saidIf Herman Cain doesn't get the nomination, I'm actually hoping for a convention fight and Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, or John Thune taking the nomination. Daniels is the Governor of my home state so of course he is my top pick and he would DESTROY Obama.

    Oh right.
    As Mitch Daniels was the OMB director under Bush II, he is one of the principal architects of the recession. And while a lot of voters don't know that, by the end of the campaign the Democrats will make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

    Daniels isn't corrupt (I don't think) but he's a colorless sycophant and a nobody.


    Daniels is awesome. He's been a great governor. He would be a great President and he wouldn't force things upon us that we dont want. With the GOP controlling the House and Senate we could get Obamacare repealed for sure.

    What did you think of Ohio Issue 3? A total landslide. The people dont want Obamacare forced upon them. Obama may have just lost Ohio tonight.




    Oh Lordy. Mitt Romney has more presidential charisma in his right pinky than Mitch Daniels could ever hope for in his entire body. You're dreaming if you think he will get the nom at the convention. This is clearly Romneys to lose unless Huntsman pulls a New Hampshire surprise



    LOL, Mitt Romney reminds me of a used car salesman. If he gets the nomination I wont vote. He has no principles. He stands for nothing. He is an embarrassment to the Republican Party. How is he supposed to run against Obamacare? He is polling at a lousy 25% and thats only because he has the media behind him. Huntsman I could live with, but he is polling in single digits. The rest of the pack is divided in the 70% (the anti Romney people). Someone is going to emerge from that pack and take most of the votes. Just remember this, at this time in 2004 Howard Dean was supposed to be the nominee, in 2008 Rudy was supposed to be the nominee, and in 2008 Hillary was supposed to be the nominee.

    Getting back to the Dems running in Congress, I cant wait to see them run on 9% unemployment.







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    Looks to me like the results of yesterdays voting across the antion was a "STOP" sign in front of the Republican far right fundi's and TBaggers, a loud clear message that their push to the far right is coming to an end. The public see's clearly that in 2010 they voted in repubs/TBaggers who ended up voting on wedge fundi issues rather than jobs. All of which will continue to bite the repubs in the ass up to and through the 2012 election year.


    Yesterdays vote is a reflection of "WHERE ARE THE JOBS" from Repub and TBagger candidates ?
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    CHRISTOPHER34 said...LOL, Mitt Romney reminds me of a used car salesman. If he gets the nomination I wont vote. He has no principles. He stands for nothing. He is an embarrassment to the Republican Party...

    I understand your passion and disappointment if Romney is the nominee. Even if he is not a conservative, however, the comparison would be someone with business experience who has promised to repeal Obamacare versus a class warfare socialist. There are many who believe the best chance of throwing Obama out is Romney because he can best attract the moderates. Even if the GOP controls both houses, Obama in office makes repealing his policies much more difficult. Also keep in mind that whoever wins the White House also influences the Senate and House races. There are many who don't want to risk all by insisting on an ideologically sound conservative. Despite the numbers I pointed put in the OP, we should go into the election with the opinion that it will be close and have strategies based on that. The other thing, it doesn't really matter what we say on RJ, and I also have some strong opinions, but I think it is best to keep strong negative opinions of any potential Obama opponent out of earshot of the liberals. Like not showing dirty laundry. Just my opinion.
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    CHRISTOPHER34 said...LOL, Mitt Romney reminds me of a used car salesman. If he gets the nomination I wont vote. He has no principles. He stands for nothing. He is an embarrassment to the Republican Party...

    I understand your passion and disappointment if Romney is the nominee. Even if he is not a conservative, however, the comparison would be someone with business experience who has promised to repeal Obamacare versus a class warfare socialist. There are many who believe the best chance of throwing Obama out is Romney because he can best attract the moderates. Even if the GOP controls both houses, Obama in office makes repealing his policies much more difficult. Also keep in mind that whoever wins the White House also influences the Senate and House races. There are many who don't want to risk all by insisting on an ideologically sound conservative. Despite the numbers I pointed put in the OP, we should go into the election with the opinion that it will be close and have strategies based on that. The other thing, it doesn't really matter what we say on RJ, and I also have some strong opinions, but I think it is best to keep strong negative opinions of any potential Obama opponent out of earshot of the liberals. Like not showing dirty laundry. Just my opinion.


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    Nov 09, 2011 5:31 PM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    LOL, Mitt Romney reminds me of a used car salesman. If he gets the nomination I wont vote. He has no principles. He stands for nothing. He is an embarrassment to the Republican Party. How is he supposed to run against Obamacare? He is polling at a lousy 25% and thats only because he has the media behind him. Huntsman I could live with, but he is polling in single digits. The rest of the pack is divided in the 70% (the anti Romney people). Someone is going to emerge from that pack and take most of the votes. Just remember this, at this time in 2004 Howard Dean was supposed to be the nominee, in 2008 Rudy was supposed to be the nominee, and in 2008 Hillary was supposed to be the nominee.

    Getting back to the Dems running in Congress, I cant wait to see them run on 9% unemployment.




    The Polls really don't mean crap. The reality is that MOST of America doesn't get polled and MOST of America isn't really even paying attention yet. Once the primaries start in January, and a clear front runner (likely Romney) begins to emerge, you will see his numbers rise significantly.
  • CuriousJockAZ

    Posts: 19129

    Nov 09, 2011 5:32 PM GMT
    catfish5 said

    Just pay your fair share of taxes already and fugedaboudit. Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts!


    That is classic coming from you. I wonder how much of your escort fees you actually report.