The Hits Keep Coming: Architect of AZ Immigration Law Defeated!

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    Nov 09, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    I'm going to sleep like a BABY tonight! It seems the Republicans stunning overreach is over and perhaps the party will realize it has to move to the center as every one of it's extreme positions were defeated tonight.

    Elise FoleyState Sen. Russell Pearce, the controversial architect of Arizona's immigration law, was voted out of office on Tuesday evening in a special recall election. He was defeated by Jerry Lewis, a fellow Republican who does not support the immigration crackdown and has vowed to reject gifts from special interest groups and work to ban gifts for legislators.

    Lewis won with roughly 54 percent of the vote, state officials announced on Tuesday evening.

    Pearce is the top Republican in the state senate, and a 10-year state legislator. He pioneered S.B. 1070, an immigration law passed in Arizona in 2010 that quickly prompted a lawsuit from the federal government. The law, which would have allowed police to ask for immigration papers at stops if they had "reasonable suspicion" someone was undocumented, was predominantly blocked before it went into effect.

    The Arizona Republic reported on Tuesday that Pearce said the numbers were not "going his way" as results trickled in. "If being recalled means keeping your promises, then so be it," he said.

    His critics rallied behind Lewis as the most viable alternative to Pearce, forming an unexpected coalition between Republican critics of Pearce and immigration reform supporters. Petra Falcon of Promise Arizona, an immigrant organizing group, said Pearce's loss reflected the public's distaste for Pearce's "extremist positions."


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/russell-pearce-recall-election-jerry-lewis_n_1083129.html
  • JP85257

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    Nov 09, 2011 5:02 AM GMT
    Disgusting.

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    JP85257 saidDisgusting.

    LMAO...
  • dancedancekj

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    Nov 10, 2011 1:40 AM GMT
    "He was defeated by Jerry Lewis, a fellow Republican who does not support the immigration crackdown and has vowed to reject gifts from special interest groups and work to ban gifts for legislators"

    Let's hope that we see more of this as well.

    ..." Pearce said the numbers were not "going his way" as results trickled in. "If being recalled means keeping your promises, then so be it," he said."

    Haha. Being recalled means you were a douchenozzle. So be it icon_razz.gif
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    Nov 10, 2011 5:01 PM GMT
    (i guess i should have read all the topics before posting in another.)

    not only was Russel Pearce the sitting AZ Senate President, but his own LDS ppl turned from him to support fellow Mormon, Lewis, the center-right candidate.

    seems Mesa voters think the economy and jobs are the most important issues.

    i'll say it again, move to the center ppl.
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    Nov 10, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
    Christian, why would you be happy about this? Why would ANYONE here be happy about this? SB1070 is so far from extreme it's not even funny. It's a blatantly common sense law that every state should have. Calling it "extreme" is one of the most preposterous things I've ever heard. It's insanely centrist. How do people even rationalize that this is some "far right" law? Sounds as crazy as saying that locking up criminals who break the law is "far right". Seriously? The law doesn't even include actual deportation, although it should!

    There's no more merit to the claim that SB1070 will "encourage racial discrimination" than some random argument trying to make a case that allowing police officers to pull over "anyone" over who may appear to be doing something suspicious might be "discriminating" in some kind of racial, sexist or some other fashion, therefore we should never allow police officers to pull over individuals in our society. Would you have really opposed German Americans during WWII being held to a higher level of suspicion because of the circumstances? Or would that be okay because of their skin color?

    Illegal immigration is a serious problem in this country. There are possibly 20 million illegals. That's not a "small" problem. Illegal immigration is one of the biggest issues in this country alongside the economy and jobs that desperately needs to be addressed and dealt with.

    People who are opposed to cracking down on illegal immigration are basically condoning making a mockery of all of those individuals who go through all of the trouble and the right avenues to become legal citizens of this country.

    If we were neighboring a country like Poland instead of Mexico no one would be talking about how it's "racial discrimination" to crack down, no one would even think about it. But alas, we just happen to have the biggest problem with Mexicans who have a large population that stands out somewhat. Ask yourself honestly, would you believe that SB1070 is a racially discriminating law if you replace every illegal who happens to be Mexican with Polish or Germans, is it really a discriminatory law? Of course not, and you'd look like a complete idiot if you did try to keep playing that card.

    Don't fool yourself - excusing illegal immigration is not defending against racial discrimination, it's an attack on law and order.


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    Nov 10, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
    the US has a love-date relationship w/ immigrants--especially those from Mexico. when the economy is good, and cheap labor needed, they are welcome (cf Bracero Program). when the economy turns sour, many turn anti-immigrant.

    in AZ, undocumented "Latino" (id est, Mexican) workers built, literally, the economy and the housing boom. they also do (yes, they are still here) the yard and house cleaning work, harvest crops, rear US children, take care of Grandma and Grandpa, and add to the flavor and economy of the local communities.

    their economic impact is well documented. SB 1070 which drove many Latinos from AZ, left empty houses, destroyed businesses, and continues a drag on a stagnant economy.

    that Mr. Pearce recruited, and i quote The Arizona Republic, a "'sham' Latina candidate" to enter the recall election in an attempt at splitting the anti-Pearce vote, simply shows just what a gr8 guy he is.
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    Nov 10, 2011 7:04 PM GMT
    Yup, America doesn't run on Dunkin'. It runs on the backs of illegal Latino immigrants. It's kind of a form of indentured servitude, but the illegal Latino immigrants seem to make it work. Sure, there are many cases of deportation, but it's the ugly side of the American economy that people either know and accept, or don't realize and get upset about it.

    Basically what I'm saying is - if you're for SB1070, you're anti-American icon_razz.gif
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    mocktwinkie saidChristian, why would you be happy about this? Why would ANYONE here be happy about this? SB1070 is so far from extreme it's not even funny

    Even the far-right Jerry Lewis, who replaced Pearce, called it "extreme". And drives businesses away from Arizona. And screws up the Mormons' outreach to Latin American countries.

    Illegal immigration is a serious problem in this country.

    No, it's not. Ask farmers in Alabama whose crops are rotting in the fields what they think.
    Of all the worst political views you hold, this nativism and xenophobia are the ugliest.


    Because Jerry Lewis is probably a crazed fundamentalist mormon christian lunatic who thinks that it's important to "save their souls" like all of the other religious fanatics who think that we need to "reach out to foreigners" with the gospel so they can perpetuate the hate against gay people. That's religious far right, not normal common sense "how to make a country work" right.

    Fact-free arguments like "we need illegal immigrants because no one else will do the work" are out of gas, and you should feel embarrassed for still even using them.

    Need some hardcore evidence? Here's one example clearly belying your case for illegal immigrants:

    "POSTVILLE, Iowa — A raid by federal immigration officials at the nation’s largest kosher meatpacking plant may have resulted in as many as 700 arrests, immigration officials said Monday.Agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement entered the Agriprocessors Inc. complex in northeast Iowa Monday morning to execute a criminal search warrant for evidence relating to aggravated identity theft, fraudulent use of Social Security numbers and other crimes, said Tim Counts, a Midwest ICE spokesman.Agents are also executing a civil search warrant for people illegally in the United States, he said.Immigration officials told aides to Rep. Bruce Braley, D-Iowa, that they expect 600 to 700 arrests. About 1,000 to 1,050 people work at the plant, according to Iowa Workforce Development, the state’s employment services agency.Chuck Larson, a truck driver for Agriprocessing, was in the plant when the agents arrived. “There has to be 100 of them,” he said of the agents. Employment staffing agencies hired to fill the vacant positions noted that approximately 1,200 applications for employment were received as of May 24th. It is estimated that 300 to 400 positions will be filled with new applicants of a legal citizenship origin. The positions were noted as paying between $8.00 to $10.00 per hour on a non-union basis."---From the DesMoines Register - 5/22/2008

    So how's that? 300 to 400 positions were opened and HOW MANY LEGAL CITIZENS IN THE AREA APPLIED FOR THE JOBS? 1200! How about we repeat that: 1200!!! Oh snap! If you think that this isn't the case all around the country and that multitudes of low income citizens of this country wouldn't be willing to grab these jobs then you are living on another planet. And this example was back in 2008, imagine now in this economy?

    So honestly, what do you think should be done? Nothing? Let's just let everyone walk into the country and forget about papers or citizenship at all, shall we? I don't think any of you even begin to recognize that you aren't proposing some kind of justice for people, you're proposing a quasi-anarchistic chaos. What happened before waves of mass third world immigration in the 1950s? Did all of the crops "rot"? icon_rolleyes.gif

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    dancedancekj saidYup, America doesn't run on Dunkin'. It runs on the backs of illegal Latino immigrants. It's kind of a form of indentured servitude, but the illegal Latino immigrants seem to make it work. Sure, there are many cases of deportation, but it's the ugly side of the American economy that people either know and accept, or don't realize and get upset about it.

    Basically what I'm saying is - if you're for SB1070, you're anti-American icon_razz.gif


    So are you proposing that we FIX the corruption so we don't have to depend on illegal immigration (which is bullshit btw, but let's pretend it's really the case) or are you insinuating that we keep on going because this happens to be something that you're in favor of but conveniently hide behind the "necessity within current evils" aspect of it?
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    tailgater_3 saidthe US has a love-date relationship w/ immigrants--especially those from Mexico. when the economy is good, and cheap labor needed, they are welcome (cf Bracero Program). when the economy turns sour, many turn anti-immigrant.

    in AZ, undocumented "Latino" (id est, Mexican) workers built, literally, the economy and the housing boom. they also do (yes, they are still here) the yard and house cleaning work, harvest crops, rear US children, take care of Grandma and Grandpa, and add to the flavor and economy of the local communities.

    their economic impact is well documented. SB 1070 which drove many Latinos from AZ, left empty houses, destroyed businesses, and continues a drag on a stagnant economy.

    that Mr. Pearce recruited, and i quote The Arizona Republic, a "'sham' Latina candidate" to enter the recall election in an attempt at splitting the anti-Pearce vote, simply shows just what a gr8 guy he is.


    We're not discussing immigrants mr. thickskull, we're talking about ILLEGAL immigration. I know it's hard for you to comprehend the difference but think HARD, I know there's a ray of hope somewhere.

    As for nearly everything else you said, even a cursory examination renders it pretty much worthless. You haven't addressed a plan for law and order., What does "what Americans do" have anything to do with having a real position on the matter? We're not talking about the love-hate relationship that you perceive exists in the USA, we're talking about what's right and wrong and laws that aren't being enforced. Illegal workers are also the victims of abuse by those looking to make profit. Do you realize how many young children are being forced to work long hours?

    By enforcing the law it will force the meat-plants or farmers to hire citizens and pay them a higher wage. It's an important thing to do for the American people. We may think we are getting cheaper tomatoes, but at what real cost?
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    Nov 10, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    So please guys, rather than some hollow rhetoric replete with dubious claims about dependency on illegal immigration, show me some evidence! I provided a nice clear example to substantiate my viewpoint.
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    Nov 10, 2011 8:47 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    dancedancekj saidYup, America doesn't run on Dunkin'. It runs on the backs of illegal Latino immigrants. It's kind of a form of indentured servitude, but the illegal Latino immigrants seem to make it work. Sure, there are many cases of deportation, but it's the ugly side of the American economy that people either know and accept, or don't realize and get upset about it.

    Basically what I'm saying is - if you're for SB1070, you're anti-American icon_razz.gif


    So are you proposing that we FIX the corruption so we don't have to depend on illegal immigration (which is bullshit btw, but let's pretend it's really the case) or are you insinuating that we keep on going because this happens to be something that you're in favor of but conveniently hide behind the "necessity within current evils" aspect of it?



    I'm actually for the reforming of the system so that more people immigrate legally to the country (since I think everyone wins out in the long run), but it probably isn't going to happen, since the way the American economy runs right now is heavily dependent on this form of slavery. The American people aren't going to like paying a non-subsidized price for their food (the subsidy coming from the ability to abuse illegal immigrants for agricultural practices) and neither will the corporations that oversee the agriculture.
    Fix the system that depends on the illegal immigrants first, then address the issue of illegal immigrants. Let's not concern ourselves about the lawn when the house is on fire in a sense.

    I'm not hiding behind it, and I don't think that illegal immigration is in the best interests of anybody (the environment, the American consumer, the farmer, the illegal immigrant, the families of the illegal immigrants) but it's going to be a very trying process to get rid of the illegal immigrant work force. I think that putting effort towards industries not relying on an illegal immigrant indentured servitude would be more effective and widespread than just trying to stop illegal immigrants from coming to the US. Cure the disease, don't slap bandaids or debride the symptoms.
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    mocktwinkie saidSo please guys, rather than some hollow rhetoric replete with dubious claims about dependency on illegal immigration, show me some evidence! I provided a nice clear example to substantiate my viewpoint.
    No you didnt. You provided a young twenty something's uneducated view of a GOP talking point. This issue did not 'just happen' last year. There have been illegals living in this country for DECADES. There are illegal immigrants in just about every free society (western country) on this planet.
    The law was draconian, cut and dried. It allowed yes, racial profiling, whether you 'believe' it or not. I know several "russian" illegals (gay mind you) that have been working and living the good life here for at least 11 yrs. They dont "look" hispanic, therefore when they drive (illegally) right by a cop, that cop thinks they are 'you'.. yes they 'look' exactly like you Mock.

    Do you feel its right, just, or beneficial for you to be asked to produce your 'citizenship' documents on demand anywhere, anytime, by any law enforcement official? What? you dont carry you certificate of birth? Darnit, its of to jail for you. Your car impounded (at your expense) until mom comes down with your Certificate of birth? Yeah, easy to dismiss.

    There isn't ONE person on this site that doesnt agree with the fact that our immigration laws arent being enforced as written.
    But then again, are we a closed society? Are we a military state? Its sliding that way.. What the USA stood for for years is disappearing right in front of our face.

    I very much dislike those who 'break the law".. however it was offered up several years ago a compromise to at the least curtail the mass infusion. It was offered by a republican.. but it had the word "amnesty" attached and the radical fucking right destroyed the person who offered it Based on exactly your 'short lived' experience in how this country was and IS now.
    Nothing is black and white. Ripping families apart is NOT black and white nor is it an AMERICAN value. It never has been and if that's where we are headed, I'm damn sure glad I'll only be here for maybe another 20 years at tops.

    Views like yours will make this country a very nasty place to exist in and you'll have to deal with it for the next 50 or so years..

    SMART, compassionate, intelligent COMPROMISE legislation is needed. First to deal with the reason WHY they are here/ coming here and then to deal with how we accept future immigrants. I no longer believe that birthright comes automatic for anyone born of a non citizen. Its time to change that law. Its OLD and outdated for what it was intended for when written. The issue of illegal persons in this country is NOT murder or rape or any other vicious crime.

    Do NOT read into it that I condone vicious crime by illegals. I don't. Not even close. Destroy them, as I would a citizen. No difference whatsoever.

    That being said.. the ass who got his walking papers got that message loud and clear........ maybe you might want to look at it with a little more humility laced with maturity.
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    mocktwinkie said
    dancedancekj saidYup, America doesn't run on Dunkin'. It runs on the backs of illegal Latino immigrants. It's kind of a form of indentured servitude, but the illegal Latino immigrants seem to make it work. Sure, there are many cases of deportation, but it's the ugly side of the American economy that people either know and accept, or don't realize and get upset about it.

    Basically what I'm saying is - if you're for SB1070, you're anti-American icon_razz.gif


    So are you proposing that we FIX the corruption so we don't have to depend on illegal immigration (which is bullshit btw, but let's pretend it's really the case) or are you insinuating that we keep on going because this happens to be something that you're in favor of but conveniently hide behind the "necessity within current evils" aspect of it?



    I'm actually for the reforming of the system so that more people immigrate legally to the country (since I think everyone wins out in the long run), but it probably isn't going to happen, since the way the American economy runs right now is heavily dependent on this form of slavery. The American people aren't going to like paying a non-subsidized price for their food (the subsidy coming from the ability to abuse illegal immigrants for agricultural practices) and neither will the corporations that oversee the agriculture.
    Fix the system that depends on the illegal immigrants first, then address the issue of illegal immigrants. Let's not concern ourselves about the lawn when the house is on fire in a sense.

    I'm not hiding behind it, and I don't think that illegal immigration is in the best interests of anybody (the environment, the American consumer, the farmer, the illegal immigrant, the families of the illegal immigrants) but it's going to be a very trying process to get rid of the illegal immigrant work force. I think that putting effort towards industries not relying on an illegal immigrant indentured servitude would be more effective and widespread than just trying to stop illegal immigrants from coming to the US. Cure the disease, don't slap bandaids or debride the symptoms.


    What you don't understand is that the American people ARE paying a much higher price for their food, but in other ways. The strain that illegal immigrants (and more directly, their "legal" children being quietly added into the pool of expenses shared by the citizens for things like schooling, etc) put on the rest of society financially is much greater than the worry about paying a little more for some vegetables at the grocery store.

    I realize that people in many underdeveloped countries just want a better life, but that's just an evil that we have to live with. If I lived where many illegal immigrants originate from I'd probably try to do the same thing! Emigrate! I'm not blaming desperate people who just want a better life and end up becoming an illegal immigrant, I'm just explaining what is necessary for the survival of a civilization that hopes to maintain some kind of semblance of law and order and sustainability. Making the developed countries into the underdeveloped countries through fast and successive waves of immigration isn't going to make every country into a developed one, au contraire. We can talk for hours about the emotional aspects and how compassion needs to rule, but at the end of the day life IS about survival of the fittest and "us vs them" in many regards, whether we want to face it or not.
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    mocktwinkie saidSo please guys, rather than some hollow rhetoric replete with dubious claims about dependency on illegal immigration, show me some evidence! I provided a nice clear example to substantiate my viewpoint.
    No you didnt. You provided a young twenty something's uneducated view of a GOP talking point. This issue did not 'just happen' last year. There have been illegals living in this country for DECADES. There are illegal immigrants in just about every free society (western country) on this planet.
    The law was draconian, cut and dried. It allowed yes, racial profiling, whether you 'believe' it or not. I know several "russian" illegals (gay mind you) that have been working and living the good life here for at least 11 yrs. They dont "look" hispanic, therefore when they drive (illegally) right by a cop, that cop thinks they are 'you'.. yes they 'look' exactly like you Mock.

    Do you feel its right, just, or beneficial for you to be asked to produce your 'citizenship' documents on demand anywhere, anytime, by any law enforcement official? What? you dont carry you certificate of birth? Darnit, its of to jail for you. Your car impounded (at your expense) until mom comes down with your Certificate of birth? Yeah, easy to dismiss.

    There isn't ONE person on this site that doesnt agree with the fact that our immigration laws arent being enforced as written.
    But then again, are we a closed society? Are we a military state? Its sliding that way.. What the USA stood for for years is disappearing right in front of our face.

    I very much dislike those who 'break the law".. however it was offered up several years ago a compromise to at the least curtail the mass infusion. It was offered by a republican.. but it had the word "amnesty" attached and the radical fucking right destroyed the person who offered it Based on exactly your 'short lived' experience in how this country was and IS now.
    Nothing is black and white. Ripping families apart is NOT black and white nor is it an AMERICAN value. It never has been and if that's where we are headed, I'm damn sure glad I'll only be here for maybe another 20 years at tops.

    Views like yours will make this country a very nasty place to exist in and you'll have to deal with it for the next 50 or so years..

    SMART, compassionate, intelligent COMPROMISE legislation is needed. First to deal with the reason WHY they are here/ coming here and then to deal with how we accept future immigrants. I no longer believe that birthright comes automatic for anyone born of a non citizen. Its time to change that law. Its OLD and outdated for what it was intended for when written. The issue of illegal persons in this country is NOT murder or rape or any other vicious crime.

    Do NOT read into it that I condone vicious crime by illegals. I don't. Not even close. Destroy them, as I would a citizen. No difference whatsoever.

    That being said.. the ass who got his walking papers got that message loud and clear........ maybe you might want to look at it with a little more humility laced with maturity.


    Umm, yes I did. Did you not read about the meat packing plant that was using illegal workers, got busted (by a miracle, because most of the time it never happens) and subsequently 1200 legal citizens applied for the 400 job openings remaining. But they were only taking jobs that the "Americans didn't want", right? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Your example on the gay Russian illegals is absolutely ludicrous. Why? Because I know very many hispanic illegals who have never been pulled over by police either. You are under some absurd grand assumption that because someone is hispanic they are going to be more likely to be pulled over for no reason? Seriously? What's even more dumb about your comparison to me is that I've been pulled over by cops many times for hardly doing anything. It must be because I looked like me, huh?

    Furthermore, there aren't 20 million Russian illegals here, so of course they wouldn't be the first choice in terms of putting a "face" to the vast majority of illegal aliens. That doesn't mean cops are going to or can lawfully just pull someone over based on how they look. There has to be a reason for doing it -- SB1070 makes that very clear.

    And yes, we DO need to make smart decisions about how to stop illegal immigration. What's with the compromise? Why does there need to be a compromise? "SMART, compassionate, intelligent COMPROMISE legislation is needed", for whom? Criminals? People who broke the law?

    We already KNOW WHY they are coming here. Not only the prospect of finding work but there is free education for their anchor children and the assurance that if they "fail", they never really will fail because there will always be the government there to keep them sustained. That's not how immigration used to be. It's so annoying when people compare illegal immigration now to the illegal immigration many years ago when there were no safety nets, just risk and people trying out their luck to make a new life and HOPE to become successful. No one was there to make sure that they wouldn't "fail". Why should it be different now? Why are we going out of our way to prove to illegals that their anchor babies paid off by using the argument "well, they couldn't help it, so now let's give them scholarships based on performance".

    We are ENCOURAGING all of our problems to keep happening by the kind of policies we embrace.

    We must enforce the law, once we do that businesses will refrain from hiring, once they refrain from hiring then the problem goes away. Fences or patrols are certainly not the answer.
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    TropicalMark said
    mocktwinkie saidSo please guys, rather than some hollow rhetoric replete with dubious claims about dependency on illegal immigration, show me some evidence! I provided a nice clear example to substantiate my viewpoint.
    No you didnt. You provided a young twenty something's uneducated view of a GOP talking point. This issue did not 'just happen' last year. There have been illegals living in this country for DECADES. There are illegal immigrants in just about every free society (western country) on this planet.
    The law was draconian, cut and dried. It allowed yes, racial profiling, whether you 'believe' it or not. I know several "russian" illegals (gay mind you) that have been working and living the good life here for at least 11 yrs. They dont "look" hispanic, therefore when they drive (illegally) right by a cop, that cop thinks they are 'you'.. yes they 'look' exactly like you Mock.

    Do you feel its right, just, or beneficial for you to be asked to produce your 'citizenship' documents on demand anywhere, anytime, by any law enforcement official? What? you dont carry you certificate of birth? Darnit, its of to jail for you. Your car impounded (at your expense) until mom comes down with your Certificate of birth? Yeah, easy to dismiss.

    There isn't ONE person on this site that doesnt agree with the fact that our immigration laws arent being enforced as written.
    But then again, are we a closed society? Are we a military state? Its sliding that way.. What the USA stood for for years is disappearing right in front of our face.

    I very much dislike those who 'break the law".. however it was offered up several years ago a compromise to at the least curtail the mass infusion. It was offered by a republican.. but it had the word "amnesty" attached and the radical fucking right destroyed the person who offered it Based on exactly your 'short lived' experience in how this country was and IS now.
    Nothing is black and white. Ripping families apart is NOT black and white nor is it an AMERICAN value. It never has been and if that's where we are headed, I'm damn sure glad I'll only be here for maybe another 20 years at tops.

    Views like yours will make this country a very nasty place to exist in and you'll have to deal with it for the next 50 or so years..

    SMART, compassionate, intelligent COMPROMISE legislation is needed. First to deal with the reason WHY they are here/ coming here and then to deal with how we accept future immigrants. I no longer believe that birthright comes automatic for anyone born of a non citizen. Its time to change that law. Its OLD and outdated for what it was intended for when written. The issue of illegal persons in this country is NOT murder or rape or any other vicious crime.

    Do NOT read into it that I condone vicious crime by illegals. I don't. Not even close. Destroy them, as I would a citizen. No difference whatsoever.

    That being said.. the ass who got his walking papers got that message loud and clear........ maybe you might want to look at it with a little more humility laced with maturity.


    Umm, yes I did. Did you not read about the meat packing plant that was using illegal workers, got busted (by a miracle, because most of the time it never happens) and subsequently 1200 legal citizens applied for the 400 job openings remaining. But they were only taking jobs that the "Americans didn't want", right? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Your example on the gay Russian illegals is absolutely ludicrous. Why? Because I know very many hispanic illegals who have never been pulled over by police either. You are under some absurd grand assumption that because someone is hispanic they are going to be more likely to be pulled over for no reason? Seriously? What's even more dumb about your comparison to me is that I've been pulled over by cops many times for hardly doing anything. It must be because I looked like me, huh?

    Furthermore, there aren't 20 million Russian illegals here, so of course they wouldn't be the first choice in terms of putting a "face" to the vast majority of illegal aliens. That doesn't mean cops are going to or can lawfully just pull someone over based on how they look. There has to be a reason for doing it -- SB1070 makes that very clear.

    And yes, we DO need to make smart decisions about how to stop illegal immigration. What's with the compromise? Why does there need to be a compromise? "SMART, compassionate, intelligent COMPROMISE legislation is needed", for whom? Criminals? People who broke the law?

    We already KNOW WHY they are coming here. Not only the prospect of finding work but there is free education for their anchor children and the assurance that if they "fail", they never really will fail because there will always be the government there to keep them sustained. That's not how immigration used to be. It's so annoying when people compare illegal immigration now to the illegal immigration many years ago when there were no safety nets, just risk and people trying out their luck to make a new life and HOPE to become successful. No one was there to make sure that they wouldn't "fail". Why should it be different now? Why are we going out of our way to prove to illegals that their anchor babies paid off by using the argument "well, they couldn't help it, so now let's give them scholarships based on performance".

    We are ENCOURAGING all of our problems to keep happening by the kind of policies we embrace.

    We must enforce the law, once we do that businesses will refrain from hiring, once they refrain from hiring then the problem goes away. Fences or patrols are certainly not the answer.
    You're a fucking hopelessly ignorant child. Nothing but GOP talking points which are absurd. You dont even have the ability to 'think' for yourself.
    It all goes right in one ear and out the other, just like most children.

    You are nothing but "hollow rhetoric replete with dubious claims". <-- your own words coming to bite you.
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    Nov 11, 2011 12:11 AM GMT
    Christian, why would you be happy about this? Why would ANYONE here be happy about this? SB1070 is so far from extreme it's not even funny. It's a blatantly common sense law that every state should have. Calling it "extreme" is one of the most preposterous things I've ever heard. It's insanely centrist. How do people even rationalize that this is some "far right" law? Sounds as crazy as saying that locking up criminals who break the law is "far right". Seriously? The law doesn't even include actual deportation, although it should!

    Christian didn't recall him
    The people of Arizona did ..... so go ask them

    Ya think MAYBE THEY didn't like the law?