WSJ: Election news from Ohio mixed. Elsewhere, evidence mounts that most Americans oppose Obama's policies

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    Nov 10, 2011 1:06 AM GMT
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    By Karl Rove

    Events of the past week may offer a glimpse of what lies ahead for the GOP and for a beleaguered president and his party. Two Ohio ballot propositions showed the Buckeye State remains a bellwether of American politics. Sixty-one percent of Ohioans overturned Republican Gov. John Kasich's efforts to rein in public-employee unions, handing labor (a vital part of President Obama's political base) an important victory. It was also a significant loss for Mr. Kasich.

    A recent Quinnipiac poll suggested why the package went down. True, Ohioans backed making public employees pay at least 15% of health-insurance premiums (60% favor, 33% opposed) and contribute at least 10% of wages for their pensions (by 57%-34%). However, respondents opposed restraints on public-employee unions, including a ban on strikes and limits on collective bargaining over health benefits. As many as one out of every five Republicans opposed Mr. Kasich's reforms, perhaps because police and firemen were covered by them.

    On the same day they turned down union reform, however, 66% of Ohioans voted to pass a state constitutional amendment saying citizens can't be forced to purchase health insurance—in other words, to defy the "individual mandate" in Mr. Obama's health reform. The vote, while symbolic, is a strong signal that ObamaCare remains deeply unpopular.

    Moreover, Republicans on Tuesday gained control of the state Senate in the critical battleground of Virginia and won the Mississippi House for the first time since Reconstruction. Republicans now dominate 61 of the nation's 99 state legislative chambers. (Nebraska has a unicameral system.)

    On the presidential front, Herman Cain's responses to charges of sexual harassment are drawing questions about his sure-footedness. He and his campaign have made several false accusations and had to revise their initial story regarding Mr. Cain's knowledge of the charges. Mr. Cain needs to press the National Restaurant Association to release reports he says will exonerate him of the first two complaints. The controversy is now too big to be resolved by declarations of innocence, no matter how passionate.

    Politics was also roiled this week by two "Bills." The first is White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley. He was stripped of some day-to-day management responsibilities and then trashed on background by past and current White House staffers. Many (this writer included) had welcomed Mr. Daley's appointment. His loss of real power is evidence that White House senior adviser and political overlord David Plouffe runs the West Wing—and that class warfare trumped any possibility of a move to the center by Mr. Obama.

    Then there's Bill Clinton. In his new book, "Back to Work," he spells out his own jobs plan and then undercuts the president. While Mr. Obama obsessively demands higher taxes, Mr. Clinton says, "Right now, in this fragile economy, I don't favor raising taxes." Mr. Clinton is right on substance but is complicating Mr. Obama's life.

    There was also a pair of polls in the battleground states where the 2012 presidential election will be settled, one from Gallup and another from Resurgent Republic (a group I helped bring into existence). Gallup found voters in 12 key swing states (including Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and North Carolina) believe a generic Republican would do better handling the deficit (54%-38%) and unemployment (49%-42%) than Mr. Obama.

    Resurgent Republic also found 70% believe the country is on the wrong track and that, compared to when Mr. Obama took office, 61% believe the economy is worse. This suggests the president won't be re-elected unless the economy improves dramatically.

    Republicans have a way to go before settling on their presidential nominee, but the past week provided more evidence that most Americans oppose the president's policies.
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    By Karl Rove

    Events of the past week may offer a glimpse of what lies ahead for the GOP and for a beleaguered president and his party. Two Ohio ballot propositions showed the Buckeye State remains a bellwether of American politics. Sixty-one percent of Ohioans overturned Republican Gov. John Kasich's efforts to rein in public-employee unions, handing labor (a vital part of President Obama's political base) an important victory. It was also a significant loss for Mr. Kasich.

    A recent Quinnipiac poll suggested why the package went down. True, Ohioans backed making public employees pay at least 15% of health-insurance premiums (60% favor, 33% opposed) and contribute at least 10% of wages for their pensions (by 57%-34%). However, respondents opposed restraints on public-employee unions, including a ban on strikes and limits on collective bargaining over health benefits. As many as one out of every five Republicans opposed Mr. Kasich's reforms, perhaps because police and firemen were covered by them.

    On the same day they turned down union reform, however, 66% of Ohioans voted to pass a state constitutional amendment saying citizens can't be forced to purchase health insurance—in other words, to defy the "individual mandate" in Mr. Obama's health reform. The vote, while symbolic, is a strong signal that ObamaCare remains deeply unpopular.

    Moreover, Republicans on Tuesday gained control of the state Senate in the critical battleground of Virginia and won the Mississippi House for the first time since Reconstruction. Republicans now dominate 61 of the nation's 99 state legislative chambers. (Nebraska has a unicameral system.)

    On the presidential front, Herman Cain's responses to charges of sexual harassment are drawing questions about his sure-footedness. He and his campaign have made several false accusations and had to revise their initial story regarding Mr. Cain's knowledge of the charges. Mr. Cain needs to press the National Restaurant Association to release reports he says will exonerate him of the first two complaints. The controversy is now too big to be resolved by declarations of innocence, no matter how passionate.

    Politics was also roiled this week by two "Bills." The first is White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley. He was stripped of some day-to-day management responsibilities and then trashed on background by past and current White House staffers. Many (this writer included) had welcomed Mr. Daley's appointment. His loss of real power is evidence that White House senior adviser and political overlord David Plouffe runs the West Wing—and that class warfare trumped any possibility of a move to the center by Mr. Obama.

    Then there's Bill Clinton. In his new book, "Back to Work," he spells out his own jobs plan and then undercuts the president. While Mr. Obama obsessively demands higher taxes, Mr. Clinton says, "Right now, in this fragile economy, I don't favor raising taxes." Mr. Clinton is right on substance but is complicating Mr. Obama's life.

    There was also a pair of polls in the battleground states where the 2012 presidential election will be settled, one from Gallup and another from Resurgent Republic (a group I helped bring into existence). Gallup found voters in 12 key swing states (including Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and North Carolina) believe a generic Republican would do better handling the deficit (54%-38%) and unemployment (49%-42%) than Mr. Obama.

    Resurgent Republic also found 70% believe the country is on the wrong track and that, compared to when Mr. Obama took office, 61% believe the economy is worse. This suggests the president won't be re-elected unless the economy improves dramatically.

    Republicans have a way to go before settling on their presidential nominee, but the past week provided more evidence that most Americans oppose the president's policies.


    This doesn't surprise me of what Bill Clinton said. I think he knows he made a huge mistake in 1993, by raising taxes. After the 1994 loss he shifted to the right. He also ended up cutting the capital gains tax in his second term which brought more revenue into the government. He also signed Welfare Reform.

    Speaking of the 90's I'm watching the debate as I write this and I must say I am impressed with Gingrich tonight.

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    Nov 10, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 saidThis doesn't surprise me of what Bill Clinton said. I think he knows he made a huge mistake in 1993, by raising taxes. After the 1994 loss he shifted to the right. He also ended up cutting the capital gains tax in his second term which brought more revenue into the government. He also signed Welfare Reform.

    Speaking of the 90's I'm watching the debate as I write this and I must say I am impressed with Gingrich tonight.

    Bill Clinton Rebukes Obama – Don’t Raise Taxes
    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/

    Speaking of Gingrich - his poll numbers have been rising. Must say, watching a debate between him and Obama would be a very interesting event. Would be quite one sided.
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    Nov 10, 2011 2:14 AM GMT
    John.... I read your "Karl Rove" byline and knew the article would provide an interesting "twisting" of facts..

    I was right.
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    Nov 10, 2011 2:17 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidJohn.... I read your "Karl Rove" byline and knew the article would provide an interesting "twisting" of facts..

    I was right.

    He made many of the same points that I made in this thread yesterday. He is right on the money, as was I. Hopefully, these threads are not too advanced. icon_wink.gif

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1939637

    I wouldn't want to put any nice guys on the spot by asking them to point out specifically false logic or facts in the Rove article.
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    Nov 10, 2011 2:21 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidJohn.... I read your "Karl Rove" byline and knew the article would provide an interesting "twisting" of facts..

    I was right.




    Karl Rove is looked upon as a political liar's, liar, kinda like some men are considered a man's, man. Who but the most one sided people with their heads in the sand believes in Rove's estimation of anything ?
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    Nov 10, 2011 2:38 AM GMT
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    CHRISTOPHER34 saidThis doesn't surprise me of what Bill Clinton said. I think he knows he made a huge mistake in 1993, by raising taxes. After the 1994 loss he shifted to the right. He also ended up cutting the capital gains tax in his second term which brought more revenue into the government. He also signed Welfare Reform.

    Speaking of the 90's I'm watching the debate as I write this and I must say I am impressed with Gingrich tonight.

    Bill Clinton Rebukes Obama – Don’t Raise Taxes
    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/

    Speaking of Gingrich - his poll numbers have been rising. Must say, watching a debate between him and Obama would be a very interesting event. Would be quite one sided.


    Gingrich has been awesome in the debates. He's totally underestimated.

    Perry is done after tonight, he needs to drop out.
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    Nov 10, 2011 2:59 AM GMT
    A little off-topic - but still in the arena of politics:


    In Iowa, we're celebrating the victory of Liz Mathis (D) in State Senate District 18.

    Campaign spending by NOM? Unsuccessful.

    And when they fail in Iowa, that's the tipping point. When the heartland knows for real and for sure that marriage between two guys is okay, the rest of the nation will follow.

    Resume the Rove rave.