Why does Penn State Coach Mike McQueary still have a job?

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    Nov 10, 2011 1:39 AM GMT
    In 2002, then 29-year-old Penn State graduate assistant Mike McQueary alleges he saw Jerry Sandusky sodomizing a 10-year-old kid in an on-campus shower. McQueary went to his office, called his father, then later went to tell Joe Paterno on his father's advice. McQueary is now an assistant football coach at Penn State. Exit question: is Mike McQueary the most useless person in America?

    Is this what you would have done if you saw a child being raped?
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    Nov 10, 2011 4:06 PM GMT
    kicked the living shit outta the perp...i mean dial 911 of course.
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    Nov 10, 2011 4:11 PM GMT
    already a thread on this topic
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    Nov 10, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
    I'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.

    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.
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    TroyAthlete saidIn 2002, then 29-year-old Penn State graduate assistant Mike McQueary alleges he saw Jerry Sandusky sodomizing a 10-year-old kid in an on-campus shower. McQueary went to his office, called his father, then later went to tell Joe Paterno on his father's advice. McQueary is now an assistant football coach at Penn State. Exit question: is Mike McQueary the most useless person in America?

    Is this what you would have done if you saw a child being raped?

    I could believe it was the reluctance of a graduate assistant to risk his education & future career by challenging an authority figure, on a campus where the athletic staff were gods. So he went to his father for advice on a moral question.

    Fortunately the father appears to have had a better moral compass than his son. Though his "pass the buck to Paterno" recommendation wasn't the most decisive response, either.

    BTW, I suspect McQueary will now be the Penn State pariah, seen not for exposing a serial pedophile, but for contributing to Paterno's downfall. And the college students now rioting aren't doing so in outrage that young boys were being molested on their campus, but rather that their football program and its beloved coach have been besmirched. I hope none of them are pursuing degrees in K-12 childhood education. icon_razz.gif

    Penn State students destroying a TV satellite transmission van, and engaging in other rioting:

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    BTW, I suspect McQueary will now be the Penn State pariah, seen not for exposing a serial pedophile, but for contributing to Paterno's downfall. And the college students now rioting aren't doing so in outrage that young boys were being molested on their campus, but rather that their football program and its beloved coach have been besmirched. I hope none of them are pursuing degrees in K-12 childhood education. icon_razz.gif


    THIS.
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    Nov 10, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    simply as a morals issue, I cannot believe he would be allowed to be three at the game. In retrospect to what has occurred with Paterno, I feel the same obligation be bestowed upon him.

    Not to mention the players must be truly distracted seeing him on the sidelines.
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    Art_Deco said

    BTW, I suspect McQueary will now be the Penn State pariah, seen not for exposing a serial pedophile, but for contributing to Paterno's downfall. And the college students now rioting aren't doing so in outrage that young boys were being molested on their campus, but rather that their football program and its beloved coach have been besmirched. I hope none of them are pursuing degrees in K-12 childhood education. icon_razz.gif


    THIS x10.
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    Nov 10, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
    njmeanwhile saidalready a thread on this topic


    That thread is about Joe Paterno.

    This thread is about Mike McQueary, who clearly lacks the judgment and character to be entrusted with coaching young people. McQueary needs to go.
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    Nov 10, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
    Because he is a soulless, awful redhead?

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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.

    Their are many acceptable answers, such as calling the police and comforting the kid, or even chasing the old man away, but for some reason we are under the impression that violence is ok.

    I dont think that Mike did anything wrong, in fact if he just shut up that would have been wrong. He did tell someone, is it wrong that he didnt follow up and pester? If they were covering the story up and he pushed harder, he would have been fired/name had been smeared all over the industry. Granted, yes, it is a little selfish of him, but at the same time who would have known what the police would have done.

    You are talking about a nobody accusing a somebody of a horrid crime. Paterno should have taken charge of the situation, and as he didnt the liability falls on him.
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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.

    Their are many acceptable answers, such as calling the police and comforting the kid, or even chasing the old man away, but for some reason we are under the impression that violence is ok.

    I dont think that Mike did anything wrong, in fact if he just shut up that would have been wrong. He did tell someone, is it wrong that he didnt follow up and pester? If they were covering the story up and he pushed harder, he would have been fired/name had been smeared all over the industry. Granted, yes, it is a little selfish of him, but at the same time who would have known what the police would have done.

    You are talking about a nobody accusing a somebody of a horrid crime. Paterno should have taken charge of the situation, and as he didnt the liability falls on him.


    When he walked into the locker room and saw a young boy getting sodomized....he should've rescued the boy and kicked Sandusky's ass....not asked his father what to do.

    I suspect everyone was aware that possibly Sandusky was a child molestor based on the 1998 case where the DA went missing.

    There was probably a big intimidation factor on why he did not confront him.

    He did what he had to do as far as the chain of command....but along with Paterno, they both are morally bankrupt.
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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.



    Actually, assault in defense of another crime is not a crime.
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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.

    Their are many acceptable answers, such as calling the police and comforting the kid, or even chasing the old man away, but for some reason we are under the impression that violence is ok.

    I dont think that Mike did anything wrong, in fact if he just shut up that would have been wrong. He did tell someone, is it wrong that he didnt follow up and pester? If they were covering the story up and he pushed harder, he would have been fired/name had been smeared all over the industry. Granted, yes, it is a little selfish of him, but at the same time who would have known what the police would have done.

    You are talking about a nobody accusing a somebody of a horrid crime. Paterno should have taken charge of the situation, and as he didnt the liability falls on him.


    When he walked into the locker room and saw a young boy getting sodomized....he should've rescued the boy and kicked Sandusky's ass....not asked his father what to do.

    I suspect everyone was aware that possibly Sandusky was a child molestor based on the 1998 case where the DA went missing.

    There was probably a big intimidation factor on why he did not confront him.

    He did what he had to do as far as the chain of command....but along with Paterno, they both are morally bankrupt.


    Thats interesting, so the case with the DA gone missing in regards to Sandusky being a child molester wouldnt cause you to be concerned? What if he started rattling cages and went missing himself? A lot of good that would have done.

    Its easy to sit their and point fingers to everyone but at the end of the day we were not in his shoes. I dont think he is morally bankrupt or even a bad person, he did the best he could. Its not like he needed to stop his life and go after Sandusky full on, and its not like he did absolutely nothing (which would have been a morally bankrupted act).
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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.



    Actually, assault in defense of another crime is not a crime.


    I think you are referring to self defense, in which case assault can only be met with like assault. If someone pulls a knife on you, and you pull a gun and shoot, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Just like if someone swings at you and you pull a knife and stab, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Any lawyers can correct me if I am wrong.
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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.



    Actually, assault in defense of another crime is not a crime.


    I think you are referring to self defense, in which case assault can only be met with like assault. If someone pulls a knife on you, and you pull a gun and shoot, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Just like if someone swings at you and you pull a knife and stab, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Any lawyers can correct me if I am wrong.


    The same justified force rules that protect police officers from prosecution in their day-to-day protect you and I.

    You can use force to stop a crime. Just not excessive force.

    Charging, hitting, punching, and knocking down a man engaged in the act of raping a child in order to stop that rape and incapacitate the abuser is not a crime, at least not in any jurisdiction in the United States of America.

    If he saw what he says he saw and his grand jury testimony is true, McQueary's inaction and failure to report to the authorities is indefensible, and he needs to be fired. He probably cannot be prosecuted as a condition of immunity in exchange for his testimony and cooperation.

    As for Joe Paterno, the verdict is out because we don't yet actually know what McQueary told him and didn't tell him about what he allegedly witnessed. So I think firing Joey Pats was premature, unless the Trustees are privy to information that's not yet been made public (possible).

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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.



    Actually, assault in defense of another crime is not a crime.


    I think you are referring to self defense, in which case assault can only be met with like assault. If someone pulls a knife on you, and you pull a gun and shoot, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Just like if someone swings at you and you pull a knife and stab, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Any lawyers can correct me if I am wrong.


    Even if it is assault - who gives a shit?!?!?

    What Judge / Jury is going to really convict you assaulting a guy in the act of raping a 10-year-old.

    Personally - I would happily plead guilty to assault - even exessive force or deadly weapon if it meant burying the guy.
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    Nov 10, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
    In the race to throw Joe Paterno under the bus it's weird to me that McQueary is getting a pass from everybody. McQueary had the opportunity to stop Sandusky from raping this kid and instead he sneaks out of the locker room. If the argument is Paterno should have gone to the cops instead of going up the correct chain of command and reporting the incident to his AD the McQueary should have never told Paterno about the incident and gone to the police himself.
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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.



    Actually, assault in defense of another crime is not a crime.


    I think you are referring to self defense, in which case assault can only be met with like assault. If someone pulls a knife on you, and you pull a gun and shoot, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Just like if someone swings at you and you pull a knife and stab, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Any lawyers can correct me if I am wrong.


    The same justified force rules that protect police officers from prosecution in their day-to-day protect you and I.

    You can use force to stop a crime. Just not excessive force.

    Charging, hitting, punching, and knocking down a man engaged in the act of raping a child in order to stop that rape and incapacitate the abuser is not a crime, at least not in any jurisdiction in the United States of America.

    If he saw what he says he saw and his grand jury testimony is true, McQueary's inaction and failure to report to the authorities is indefensible, and he needs to be fired. As for Joe Paterno, the verdict is out because we don't yet actually know what McQueary told him and didn't tell him about what he allegedly witnessed. So I think firing Joey Pats was premature, unless the Trustees are privy to information that's not yet been made public (possible).



    I think they wanted him to resign earlier, like around 2004 or something, so they are using it as an excuse to give him the axe.

    Rendering someone incapable of doing a crime is different, one can apprehend the suspect without resorting to violence. Even so, punching a man who is 50 could have resulting in damage to the man.

    At the end of the day, their is no excuse for violence. Get the man in prison where he can get raped to death and the death isnt on my hands. That is what we call a win-win!
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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.



    Actually, assault in defense of another crime is not a crime.


    I think you are referring to self defense, in which case assault can only be met with like assault. If someone pulls a knife on you, and you pull a gun and shoot, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Just like if someone swings at you and you pull a knife and stab, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Any lawyers can correct me if I am wrong.


    Even if it is assault - who gives a shit?!?!?

    What Judge / Jury is going to really convict you assaulting a guy in the act of raping a 10-year-old.

    Personally - I would happily plead guilty to assault - even exessive force or deadly weapon if it meant burying the guy.


    Remember this is a country where a women sued McDonalds for making coffee too hot without a warning label.

    Also, this is a country where a women was late dropping her child off to a school field trip, because of that she had to take her kid to work. While working the kid ran into the street and was hit by a car, the women successfully sued the school for leaving on time.

    Take your chances, I dont believe the American courts really take common sense into account.
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    Jockbod48 saidI'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the god damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.


    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.


    As great in theory as that is, hitting someone is still against the law, something that many a men on RJ seem to forget.



    Actually, assault in defense of another crime is not a crime.


    I think you are referring to self defense, in which case assault can only be met with like assault. If someone pulls a knife on you, and you pull a gun and shoot, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Just like if someone swings at you and you pull a knife and stab, you have committed the crime of assault.

    Any lawyers can correct me if I am wrong.


    Even if it is assault - who gives a shit?!?!?

    What Judge / Jury is going to really convict you assaulting a guy in the act of raping a 10-year-old.

    Personally - I would happily plead guilty to assault - even exessive force or deadly weapon if it meant burying the guy.


    Remember this is a country where a women sued McDonalds for making coffee too hot without a warning label.


    It is a pop culture myth that the McDonald's coffee lawsuit was frivolous. The woman suffered life-threatening, third degree burns that kept her in the hospital for over a week...because McDonald's employees overheated the coffee:

    http://www.bennettlaw.net/pages/mcdonald.htm







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    raping a kid is the lowest crime that someone can commit.if i saw it..i could not stop myself from busting his jaw.pedophiles make me sick...............
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    I think they wanted him to resign earlier, like around 2004 or something, so they are using it as an excuse to give him the axe.

    Rendering someone incapable of doing a crime is different, one can apprehend the suspect without resorting to violence. Even so, punching a man who is 50 could have resulting in damage to the man.

    At the end of the day, their is no excuse for violence. Get the man in prison where he can get raped to death and the death isnt on my hands. That is what we call a win-win!


    "There is no excuse for violence" is one of those trite and useless phrases that does not recognize the complexity and complicatedness of life. Most people believe saving the life of a child is very good excuse for violence. They're right on that.

    Shame, though, that Joe Pa may have been thrown under the bus without a full airing of the facts. Unless McQueary told him what he told the grand jury, it's conceivable that Joey Pats did not know that incident was really abusive. But, yes, it's obvious State has wanted to get rid of him for a long while and this was their chance. Even if he had reported what McQueary told him, the Trustees would have found a way to push the old dinosaur out.

    Because if it were really only about the Sandusky incident, Mike McQueary would not have a job.
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    Nov 10, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    irishkcguy saidIn the race to throw Joe Paterno under the bus it's weird to me that McQueary is getting a pass from everybody. McQueary had the opportunity to stop Sandusky from raping this kid and instead he sneaks out of the locker room. If the argument is Paterno should have gone to the cops instead of going up the correct chain of command and reporting the incident to his AD the McQueary should have never told Paterno about the incident and gone to the police himself.


    Joe being thrown under the bus?? my friend, this is just the tip of the iceburg. The whole stinking university needs to be thrown under the bus for this coverup. It is still early in this "investigation", but it is my knowledge that McQueary will not be on the sidelines for this weeks game and will soon be terminated along with the whole staff soon after the season ends. If you think what you are hearing now about this monster Sandusky is bad now, wait untill you hear about the alligations of what was going on in his Second City organization that he founded since 1977.

    This will be biggest scandle in college sports history and the NCAA has no power to give this institution the death penalty
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    jock_1 saidIf you think what you are hearing now about this monster Sandusky is bad now, wait untill you hear about the alligations of what was going on in his Second City organization that he founded since 1977.

    This will be biggest scandle in college sports history and the NCAA has no power to give this institution the death penalty


    Yeah, if the child sex trafficking rumors are true, the NCAA will have to rewrite its rules and it will be the biggest college sports scandal ever.

    Well, next to Matt Leinart winning the Heisman over Adrian Peterson.